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Disc Brakes and Gearboxes . . .

In the very early '50s Chrysler offered a brake manufactured by a supplier named Ausco under the patent of an engineer named Lambert. It used two discs with friction material contained inside a cast-iron drum, with the discs connected to a ball-bearing and ramp mechanism which pushed them out into the inner sides of the drum. It isn't a modern disc brake by a long shot, which uses stationary pads on each side of a rotating disc that grab the disc when hydraulic pressure is applied. The Ausco-Lambert brake was a very rare option on Chryslers for a few years and then was discontinued due to problems. Most of the Ausco-Lambert equipped cars were converted back to conventional drum brakes. I have been told by the owner of an Ausco-Lambert equipped car that the brakes can be made to work reliably and adequately by modifications to the ball bearing actuation system, but the originals tended to suffer severe corrosion problems. One odd characteristic of the Ausco-Lambert design is that it was self-energizing, like drum brakes, which means that as the brake is applied it gets progressively easier to apply, leading to grabbiness under some conditions. One of the big advantages of modern disc brakes is that they don't self-energize and so are easier to modulate in panic stops than drums. Chrysler didn't care to spend any money or time developing the system, nor did they bother to develop an alternate, modern disc brake system - I believe it wasn’t until the mid ‘60s that they offered a modern disc brake.

Crosley’s disc brake was more of a modern, conventional disc brake. It was a real pioneering effort but like Chrysler’s didn’t work well in service and was discontinued. With decent financing, Crosley could probably have done better as their design was basically sound. The first successful modern disc brake shown to the public was created by Dunlop in England. It allowed the Jaguar C-Type racing car to outbrake all the competition at LeMans in ’53, although it wouldn’t be offered on a Jag street car until ’57. Jensen supposedly put these brakes on a couple of cars in ’54 as a test, but the first official offering was on the Austin-Healey 100S of ’55. This was a very special option package designed for owners who were going to race the cars, with about 50 examples built. All the other Austin-Healeys made do with drums until the late ‘50s.

The first mass-produced car to offer modern, reliable disc brakes was the Citroen DS19, which was introduced in the fall of ’55 and went into immediate mass production with standard front discs. A slightly cheaper variant, the ID19, appeared the next year but still with the standard disc brakes. These disc brakes had to be successful, as the D-series cars were never offered with any type of drum brake for the front wheels. The brakes were designed and manufactured by Citroen and featured two hydraulic cylinders on one side of a sliding caliper, and an integral self adjusting mechanical parking brake. They were used through the ’65 model year and into ’66, at which point they were replaced with an improved design. Except for very early (pre ’62) ID19s, these brakes were actuated by a true high pressure power system with no master cylinder.

With regard to automatics, the original Hydramatic was a four speed gearbox, but not in the modern sense. First was basically a granny gear designed to just get the car moving at which point it shifted into second. Once underway it operated more like a three speed. The granny gear was a byproduct of using a fluid coupling rather than a torque converter; the fluid coupling is more efficient but doesn’t help much in moving the car from rest, so the granny first was needed. Some owners didn’t like the immediate shift into second as it could create a small clunk and jerk – some Hydramatic versions are smoother here than others.

Chrysler really changed the game in late ’56 when the Torqueflite was introduced, with three speeds and a torque converter. It was smoother and quieter than any automatic before. By the mid-‘60s GM abandoned the old fluid coupling Hydramatic in favor of the Turbohydramatic which featured three speeds and a torque converter. Ford had already gone this route with the Cruise-O-Matic, and by the early ‘70s even Mercedes did the same thing, abandoning their old four speed plus fluid coupling Hydramatic clone in favor of three speeds plus a torque converter. I’m not arguing that three speeds are better than four, it’s just that the Hydramatic didn’t have four really useful gears. BTW, lockup torque converters did exist in the ‘50s – both Packard and Borg-Warner used them.
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'64 Dodge Dash

Here's the dash of the '64 (we call her "Miss Jane"). The pushbuttons are on the left, the heating/venting controls are on the right. Unlike my '59 Olds that had "idiot lights" for hot/cold/oil/alternator - the Dodge has gauges for these, which I like.

In motion, it is a very smooth shifting car and rides like a cloud. I don't why they aren't still using pushbuttons for transmission selection today - rather than having these big, bulky shifters in the center console (or now on the dash as with my 2010 Town & Country).

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"I don't why they aren't still using pushbuttons for transmission selection today - rather than having these big, bulky shifters in the center console (or now on the dash as with my 2010 Town & Country)."

I have heard stories that explain this. They aren't consistent, but they all seem to down the the government. Some stories say they were outlawed, others say the government made a policy to stop buying push button transmissions. I hope someone here has the correct answer. (Given the knowledge some here have about cars, I'm sure someone must know!)

I think push button transmissions might be a nice way of clearing clutter, but they do seem to have a couple of real problems:
-You have to look to see which button to push, taking your eyes off the road. (A possible problem if driving in bad conditions, and wanting to down shift.)
-One could possibly hit the wrong button. I especially shudder at the thought of hitting "R" at the wrong time. (Possibly a way of making this safer--even safer than the current system--is to force the driver to push 2 buttons at once to get reverse, just like one often had to push 2 buttons to get record on a tape deck or VCR. An interlock that forces a complete stop before going into reverse could help, but I'm a little leery of interlocks. Eventually, the system could fail.)

Overall, I'm not sure whether I'd like buttons or not, not having any experience. But then, it's sort of irrelevant--every car I've bought has had a manual shift, which does tend to dictate that there will be a lever of some sort. The only question is where the gear shift will lurk.
 
Push button transmissions do live on, though!

Yes, it's true. Only hitch: you have to buy a bus.

A year or so back, I was commuting a while by bus, and it was quite a surprise seeing that the bus serving my route had the push button transmission that--I had heard--was a no-no since 1960 something.

The big difference is that the bus buttons are plastic, and--if I remember right--the selected button lights up.
 
Pushbuttons are kinda cool, although one issue was always how to quickly hit the right button for a manual shift. My aunt had a '65 Barracuda when I was a small boy and I remember clearly how my older cousins would manually shift it - it took a lot of coordination to hit the correct button. Today with electrically operated shift buttons on the steering wheel that's a non-issue, and having buttons on the dash would allow the elimination of big center consoles.

I don't think government had anything to do with the end of Chrysler's pushbuttons. Lynn Townsend became president of Chrysler in '61, and he was detemined to match everything GM and Ford did, all while cheapening Chrysler's costs. Neither GM nor Ford used pushbuttons (aside from the Edsel Teletouch and a very few Mercurys), so getting rid of them allowed a likely cost savings plus it made Chryslers controls more like those at GM and Ford.

It's worth remembering that in the '50s Chrysler developed their hemi-head V8, the Torqueflite, their torsion bar front suspension, and unit bodies (introduced for '60). They didn't invent hemi heads, torsion bars, or unit bodies by a long shot, but they were first among the Big Three with these items on standard-size sedans. In short, they were trying to be known for progressive engineering. Under Townsend they cut their budget and reduced quality throughout the '60s - too bad they couldn't have continued on their path of the '50s with some commitment to advanced engineering. It's ironic that Fiat, another company with a long history of engineering excellence, now controls Chrysler. Fiat has always been clever with value engineering, but they've never turned their back on creative and advanced engineering - lets hope they can bring some of the greatness back to Chrysler.
 
I was visiting an aquaintance a few weeks ago and somewhere during the conversation cars came into the picture. Perhaps because he worked at a Chrysler dealership. Anyways he mentioned something about his Imperial in the garage so of course I had to go see it. Under a custom tarp a beautiful condition 62 4 door Imperial so of course I told him when he takes it out next I want to go for a ride. Loved all those buttons and the squared of steering wheel. He had about 1 inch to spare putting the car in the garage or it would hit the door.
 
59's in the neighborhood

My former neighbors the Seiberts had a '59 Olds 88 in silver. The Bates family had the station wagon in black. We had a Pontiac Catalina in black with white top, the Ledfords a Ford Galaxie in black, the McLaughlins a Ford Fairlane or Galaxie in beige, and the Burketts a Buick Lesabre in white. Don't know why so many bought new cars that year.
 
Imperial

I can't speak for the early Imperials, but over the course of the years, I've had a 1965 DeVille convertible, a 1965 Lincoln sedan and a 1965 Imperial Crown 4 door hardtop. By then the Imperial had a regular column shift. It was the best handling of the three, but had a very harsh ride. The Lincoln was the best ride, but would scrape the door handles off going around a corner and the Cadillac was in the middle. Ok handling and a decent ride.

I had the chance to drive a friend's 1953 Imperial Coupe on a trip years ago. Very icy power steering and very touchy brakes on it. We took turns, about two hours each at the wheel as it would tire you out trying to keep the car in its lane on the freeway. It was a fun ride though.
 
early '60s mopar electroluminescent instruments

my local junkyard had a '61 chrysler that was rusted beyond
repair,so i saved the "astra dome"instrument cluster,the
clock and the radio out of it,along with the little transistor
inverter for the electroluminescence-even the needles were
individual lit with a phosphor coating. I hooked it up to
the inverter and gave it a try-very cool!!,turquoise numerals
and markings,bright red needles.
several models of early '60s mopars had the elecroluminescense
as did(IIRC),'66-67 chargers.
I also have some clocks and aircraft instruments with this
lighting method.
 
Chrysler Power Steering!

Its one of those things you either love or hate, I LOVE it,no you do not have ANY "feel of the road"..I dont want to feel the road,I just want that constant control full time power steering gives, you do have to drive differently though, you NEVER rest your hand on top of the wheel,if you do you will constantly be correcting yourself, when you do get used to it all it takes for perfect control is 1 finger, I drove my 62 Plymouth Fury to St Louis to the VCCC convention in 96,...12 Hours on the road,and I was not tired, It takes so little effort to drive, the miles just melt away, and for in town driving...nothing else is even close, parallel parking is totally effortless, one finger is all it takes, even standing still, and the brakes...use only the tip of your shoe, if you step on the pedal as you do in a Ford or GM car...you will be up in the windshield, once you get used to it...everything else drives like a T model Ford!!!
 
Pushbutton!

You would think that it would take a lot of getting used to to drive a car with pushbutton, but to me it is much better,first,you dont have to worry about catching your sleeve on the lever, or about kids grabbing the lever,and about 1 week is all it took me to be shifting by feel, You just naturally know where reverse drive second or first is,just as you do in a car with a shift lever, most men just know by feel what gear you are in,..my mother as most women, never develop this "FEEL" they will always look at the indicator, whereas I never look,it is the same with pushbutton, the first button is reverse, the next is neutral, then drive-second -and first...park is simple, just pull the little chrome lever down.
 
I just found an article on the Chrysler Torqueflite transmission. It includes a discussion of the push button issue, and from what I read, it sounds like there are many theories of why Chrysler dropped pushbuttons. Everything from trying to attract GM/Ford buyers to saving a bit of money in manufacturing.

Link to article (push button talk "About the Pushbutton Automatics" is more than 1/2 way down page. But I found whole page interesting.):

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/torqueflite.html
 
'59s . . .

I saw three '59 cars yesterday just by happenstance. One was a sad and forlorn looking '59 Impala four-door hardtop parked with some other old cars, one a rather nice '59 Impala two-door hardtop (with a continental kit even!) westbound on the Ventura freeway, and then later on the Ventura an eastbound Ford Galaxie retractible with the top up. Nice to see 'em on the road.

The pic below is a Facel-Vega Excellance which might be a '59 as this model entered production in '58, though I didn't take the pic so can't be sure. Since there is no shift lever on the console this is a Torqueflite car with buttons in a quadrant to the left of the instruments much like those used by Plymouth in '57-'58. The console was necessary as some Excellences were equipped with the Pont-a-Mousson manual four speed. That gearbox was offered by Chrysler on the '60 300 for those who preferred to shift for themselves though reportedly only a handful were built. About 150 Excellences were built so those aren't common either. Unfortunately, when the people at Facel lengthened their two-door coupes to create the Excellence they forgot to add enough beef to ensure rigidity, and sometimes those pretty doors didn't like to open easily.

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We had a '62 Newport sedan growing up. If I remember correctly, it was before the "park" lever was added below the push-buttons, so you absolutely had to make sure to use the parking brake every time.

There was a trend towards standardizing controls in cars. It was easier for Chrysler to adopt standards used by bigger Ford and GM than it was to try to educate consumers. For example, people renting cars, which was a growing industry in the 1960s, wanted cars to operate the same way.
 
Exactly right!

Dodge and Plymouth had a park lever in 62, but Chrysler did not have park until 63,the emergency brake was a brake drum behind the Torqueflite, so when you set it...it didnt move, also do you remember the 60-62 Chryslers had the signal light lever under the pushbuttons on the dash?? In 65 GM also standardized there shift , if you will remember thru 64 , reverse was the last position, where low is now.
 
Yes, Hans, I remember the turn signal indicator on the '62 Newport was a left-right pivoting lever switch under the transmission push-buttons. Perfect symmetry was in vogue back then, and the left-side transmission push-buttons matched the right-side climate-control push-buttons. The pivoting lever switch on the left was matched by the temperature-control lever on the right.

Our turn signal indicator switch wouldn't stay in place after a few years. You had to hold it to the left or to the right to keep the turn signal going until you completed your turn. That meant steering the massive Chrysler with one hand, but fortunately, the power steering was so easy you could steer it with a single pinky finger if you wanted to.

Here is a pretty good photo of what it looked like.

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OK

What was the Model and Year Dodge that had a almost Transparent ( but seemed like it) Speedometer that was raised above the dash Line, Had pushbottons and all the levers I'm thinking 1960-1962 ?????

Dan, Dan , qsd_dan ??/

You're quite the MoPar guy. Whoops... TagMan LOL.
 
50s cadillac

A friend of mine recently bought this beauty and intends to restore it, he brought it into work so i could see it.

To me these sort of vehicles are the ultimate, nothing to do with efficiency, but all to do with life, comfort, pleasure and happiness

It rather amused me to have a vehicle that does about 8 miles to the gallon on the re-cylcing sight where i work as it would make the most of the hippies that frequent the place have a fit ;-)

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Gary WOW!! Imagine that's the only one in the British Isles. That is one very fortunate friend you have there. Will be a labour of love.
 
That could be the only '51 Cadillac Fleetwood limo in Britain, but there's an active club scene for older American cars there so there are other old Caddies around. I love this photo, reportedly taken in '54, of film star Diana Dors standing next to a convertible at the gates to Pinewood Studios, Iver Heath, Buckinghamshire. The car is a '55, so the photo must have been taken in the fall of '54. Presumably Miss Dors is comparing her dagmars with those on the Caddy! Somewhere there is a video of her driving the car down a typically tiny English lane out in the country - I hope nobody was coming the other way!

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Great Caddy!

Gary, that car has the two key attributes nailed: straight and original. When I was younger, a large family we knew had that same black limo, but perhaps a later 50's version. I think station wagons were too suburban for their tastes.

Our '64 Continental convertible ended up in the U.K a few years ago. It has probably been restored by now and, I hope, is back on the streets. It was a fun car to drive, but a cosmetic trainwreck. The car pictured is identical in every respect except for the blackwall tires and, although difficult to see, the ribbed metal trim around the tail light lenses, which only appeared on the '65 model year.

Ralph

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That '62 Chrysler Dash

Brings back nice memories. Our '62 Newport Sedan had a blue dash and the air conditioner vents on top of the dash, but otherwise was the same. Loved that instrument pod; it was so "Jetsons" and very easy to read at night.
From what I read, the federal government was responsible for the demise of Chrysler's push button transmission; the feds wanted the automatic quadrants standardized to prevent accidents (such as the ones caused by the original HydraMatic's placement of Reverse to the far right instead of between Park and Reverse). And there were some car buyers who refused to buy a Chrysler product because of the push buttons. But I loved the buttons and the low-effort power steering (especially on my mom's '72 Plymouth Satellite Sebring hardtop; that sucker handled like a dream)!
 
The government had NOTHING to do with the elimination of pus

Actually according to research one of our own memebers, Chad Schieberl (Programcomputer), did at Chrysler the 2 reasona Chrysler went back to a column gear shift was....First off Chrysler was loosing the drivers education market to everyone else who by that time had conventional gear shifts.... both the public school systems and private driving schools were turning away from Plymouth and Dodge and going with other makes. The second reason was a lot more simple.... Lynn Townsend, who was president of Chrysler at the time hated them and wanted them gone and so they were replaced by the conventional lever in 1965. FYI the very first year and a half Power Flite was offered (mid 1953 through 1954) it sported a conventional gear shift lever.....PAT COFFEY
 
I especially shudder at the thought of hitting "R"

LordKenmore.....Chrysler made both their pushbutton automatics with a feature that shifted the car into neutral if the car was going faster than 3 mph and the R button was accidentally pressed. PAT COFFEY
 
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