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I never thought I'd be looking forward to a gas bill...

But it just arrived today...

11/06-12/06

Usage: 43 Therms, 1.4 therms/day. Last year: 1.4 therms/day

Baseline Quantity: 65.1 Therms
Baseline Usage: 43 Therms @ $1.21296, $52.16 subtotal.

PG&E's Gas Procurement Cost is $.85153/therm

Gas PPP Surcharge: $1.65
Utility Users' Tax: $3.13

Gas bill total: $56.94
 
december gas bill

ok got the bill from 11/08 - 12/10 31 days 171 therms total bill 259.95 as we can see we have had price increases and much colder weather, only up and more from here to march at least. merry christmas to key span energy. bah humbug!!
 
Meter reading

Here in the Netherlands the meters are read once a year and the data are used to calculate your actual gas usage of the previous year and to estimate your gas usage for the coming year. You pay a fixed amount every month based on your estimated annual usage. At the end of the year the difference between estimated and actual usage is settled and you get a refund or you have to pay extra to make up for the difference.

Now my possibly stupid question: are US gas meters read every month? That seems very inconvenient to me. One has to stay home one day every month to let the meter man do his work.
 
Yes, the gas meters, and electric meters, are read monthly pretty much. Most meters are accessable outside the home so it doesn't need anyone to be home for the meter man to do his job.
 
This our bill as of 12/15/07 from 11/08/07 to 12/11/07
11/08/07 meter read was 2308 actual
12/11/07 meter read was 2439 actual
we used 131 ccf
Multiply that with 1.0415=136 total therms used.
Cost Minimum charge is $14.75
First 136.0 therms @.3871 = $52.65
Distribution adjustment 136therms x 0.04550= $6.19
That equals to a Gas Delivery charge of $73.59
Gas supply charge @1.19950/therm = $163.13
For a grand total of drum roll please....$236.72
Ouch!
We have Keyspan for gas here in Mass. we keep the heat at 65 during the day and 62 at night.
 
Hmm, the gas/electric meters are mostly inside the house here. I am not keen to give a key to persons that I don't know well. Besides, the meter man would have to carry an enormous number of keys, all of them labeled with the address of course. Doesn't seem safe to me. Then there is also the fact that you need 12 times the number of meter men that we need here. All to be paid by the customer.
 
Meter Reading, Seattle style...

In Seattle, electric meters are read on a 60 day cycle, and that is still a manual process, although they are converting to automation here in the next five years or so. The technology is pretty interesting: A signal is sent continuously to the substation to verify connectivity, and readings are collected by driving a special van around and picking up readings wirelessly.

This will allow us determine the extent of outages much more accurately. Theoretically, it will even let us cut power for credit issues from the system control center, although those will probably continue to happen from the pole because of the way people try to steal power.

This technology is not new. The private utility across the lake (the one with the higher rates and inferior service ;-) has had it for many years. But we're cheap.

One interesting side effect will be that everyone will get a new meter. Since meters tend to slow down as they get older, this will result in sticker shock for some ratepayers. We have the original meter from 1954 on this house, and I shudder to think about what will happen.

As for meter accessibility, it's in the city code that your electric meter has to be accessible to meter readers during "normal business hours". For houses, that means outside, for condos and apartments, that means give us a key.
 
Oops, I forgot to mention that most of the time a bldg manager will install one of our lock boxes on their building and put their key in it. That way, we have only a few keys to worry about. A similar system is used by the fire department.
 
Silly me. The electric meter on this house was making a faint buzzing sound when I moved in, so I called the power company and had it replaced. Probably should have kept it for lower rates, lol.

On most single family dwellings I've seen here, the electric meter is kept exposed on the side of the home, and the gas meter is often behind a little unlocked cabinet size door on the side of the home (usually near the ground, because they're heavy). My gas meter is under the house, accessible through a small door.

The power company periodically sends out messages with the bills explaining that if, for some reason, such as locked gates/doors, vicious dogs, etc., its meter readers can't get to the meter, then the power company will, by law, average the use for the past year and send a monthly bill based on that, and of course arrange for a safe meter reading to make adjustments on an annual basis.

Not sure how large apartment houses in The City arrange for meter readings. At my mom's old apartment building, the meters for each apartment were all in an enclosed ground level hallway behind a locked door to the street. I assumed the power company must have had a key, or some way (like a lockbox, good idea) to get into it. As I recall, she never had a key to that door, either, even though it functioned as a back door to the building. It is possible to make a lock that can have two keys - one which opens all locks like it, and another specific to that lock. The power company would key all the locks to such doors with the dual-key type lock, and keep the master key, while each apartment building owner would have a key that only opened their building's lock. This is the way many office buildings operate. And, I assume, older hotel rooms with mechanical and not electronic locks, so that housekeeping can get in to clean.
 
It is all in the cupboard...

My meters are all located in a cupboard in my bedroom. The water meter in the middle is a "recent" (2000) addition. Before that the water was unmetered. All water tubing had to be replaced for this as with the old installation my apartment had two water supplies and that had to be changed to just one. At the same time the lead pipes were replaced with copper pipes.

I mentioned earlier that the meters are read annually. In fact, because I am usually not at home when the meter man calls, one can read the meters yourself and communicate the readings to the energy company by mail, phone or internet. This can be done every other year so in practice my meters are read by the meter man only every two years. For those occasions I can make an appointment so that I can give him access to the meters. The water meter must always be read by yourself. Only in cases where you are unable to do so an employee will come to read it for you.

Our meters are replaced every ten years or so. Since 1981 my electric meter has been replaced once and my gas meter twice. The energy company performs periodical accuracy checks on the meters and when accuracy is unacceptable all meters from that batch will be replaced. My gas meter is less than a year old. It is much bigger than the previous one (that size is not manufactured anymore according to the technician), but it is silent. The previous meter made hissing and clicking sounds that were very audible when I was in bed during cold winter nights.

My energy use from 20060419 till 20070416:
electricity: 2492 kWh
gas: 1068 m3 (38000 ft3)

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Meters

All meters in our area are radio frequency reads. Gas, electric and water. The truck does a drive by and captures the read electronically. No need to come to the door, even, or on the property. Thats National Grid, for you. The technolgy eliminated the payroll of the meter readers.
 
Wireless reading...

That is a wonderful solution. What is the maximum distance between meter and reading equipment?
 
Greetings Theo:

Interesting picture, thank you for posting it!

It is interesting to note that in my area flexible gas connectors are (were?)not allowed to connect the gas meter.

I am assuming the left side is the inlet. Anyhow, what is the yellow device on top of the meter to the left? Is it a sesmic (earthquake) cutoff or an ordinary pressure regulator? Thank you for your consideration and response!
 
oh, my house is older and the gas meter is indoors.

In newer homes and apartment buildngs the gas meters are outside. They are "tempertature compensated" as gases contract in the extreme cold, and expand in the heat.

The expansion and contracton would mean that the same volume of gas carries different levels of usable "heat content" as the seasons (temperatures) effectively change the concentration.

This is why we pay per Therm (heat content, which IIRC would be 100,000 BTU) rather than by cubic foot (volume).
 
Steve, I had also imagined that it would be advantageous to have the meter in the freezing cold. In the Netherlands the temperature differences are probably regarded as to small to be compensated for. What we do have is a compensation for the energy content of the gas per m3. This may vary with the composition as it is a mixture of gas from different sources.

The connections with gas meters are always flexible to facilitate meter changing. Not so long ago they were lead tubes, but now they have been replaced with these stainless steel ribbed tubes. Flexible stainless steel tubes of smaller diameter are used too for connecting heaters and cookers. For cookers rubber tubes are also frequently used, but these are not allowed for heaters.

The device on the meter inlet is a safety device. Most older cookers here have no mechanism that cuts off the gas supply when the flame goes out after a pressure drop. The device will interupt the gas supply for as long as there is a pressure difference between the incoming and outgoing side. This means that you must first close all the valves of your cooker and wait some time (ca. 15 minutes) to let the pressure increase (the device leaks a tiny bit of gas to make this happen) before the device will restore the gas supply. The Dutch name for this device is "gasgebrekklep" (I bet that's almost unpronounceable for non-Dutch speakers). I couldn't find an English translation for it.

 
UGH!!!!!!!
Mine Just arrived.......
Nov 8 to Dec 11
161 CCF
$238.97

I don't even really keep the house that warm, 63 at night, 68 if someone is home, which isn't that much. Its a 2 zone system, and I only use the lower level zone if it dips below 57 down there.
Anyone else here in NJ have a bill to compare?
 
gasgebrekklep

Fascinating, I'm glad I asked.

I am not aware of such a device in USA homes.

However on our propane (bottled) gas outdoor grills, there is such a device that one must first turn opne main valve on the bottle first, then open the gas jets/vales/burners.

If there is no pressure downstream of the device it will not let the gas flow, again for safety.

Propane is heaver than the ambient air; methane (natural) gas is lighter, so extra care is needed with porpane which will flow like water and burn your feet and lower extremities (rather than your eyebrows) in case of a leak!
 

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