Republican or Democrat on Nov 7th?

[rp2813]

Primarily a Democrat vote for me this time around. For governor in this state, I refused to vote for Arnold based on his role in the ultimately fraudulent result in Ohio in 2004. But I couldn't vote for his Democratic challenger either, so I ended up voting Libertarian. It's a lost cause as Arnold is going to skate to a landslide victory.

Elsewhere on my ballot it was Democrat across the board. Throw the bums out is what I say. The Republicans are out of control. Actually, they are under contol--of the religious ultra right hypocrisy machine.

Whoever stated above that Santorum is toast, I hope you are correct. This guy is another ultra-right whack job who needs to be tossed out on his ass.

Anybody of the "pry my gun out of my cold stiff hands" line of thought who posts here can't be reasoned with so nobody should even bother to try.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want the pendulum swinging all the way in the other direction, but we need some common sense in congress, which has been sorely lacking since November of 2000.

If anybody caught "Hacking Democracy" on HBO this week, that should give us all cause for concern about the accuracy of vote tallies in this age of electronic voting. Just look at the clearly messed-with results in Ohio back in 2004 and you have to wonder if we won't see the exact results the Bush regime is hoping for on Tuesday.

 

[petek]

well said Mike.

 

[oxydolfan1]

Well, I am new, and I hope nobody thinks I'm here to stir any pots up. When I first started posting, someone started a thread regarding illegal immigration, and I responded forcefully to it, because I have strong opinions on the subject. The webmaster wound up taking the whole thread down, because he felt there WAS content on the thread that could be construed as offensive. As someone who posted a lot on that thread, that certainly didn't paint me in a favorable light....but I certainly didn't throw a tantrum and leave over it.

Then I got embroiled about an anti-smoking diatribe. Again, I took an unpopular opinion, and it was a train wreck...but what was I to do? I felt outrageous statements were being made.

Now, when what I'd really like to do is ask where the original Maytag Neptune was built and whether a Staber would be the washer of my dreams, I'm getting vortexed into quoting Alex Jones and Noam Chomsky on geopolitics....initially because I was feeling in my heart that some people are way too apathetic about these issues, and don't remember how history repeats itself (and in some cases, outdoes itself...)

I feel weird being the lynchpin for controversial statements, especially since I'm new....but isn't it worth it, ultimately?

As I said, the thread is clearly marked. I saw threads around 9/11 that I took extreme offense to, but I kept quiet, because I recognized these people needed to express themselves.

Were you so opposed to those threads at the time?

They were overtly political.

Are such threads only favorable in your eyes if they represent feel-good, reverential, self-indulgent sentiments, and everyone can walk away with warm fuzzies?

Well, some of us are looking for change, and what exactly is wrong with that?

 

[Versatronic]

Well, just speaking for myself, I think it's a topic to generally be avoided altogher on a site like this, warm, fuzzy or otherwise. To this very day, and if you read my words closely, have never made a political statement on this website, ever. There are plenty of political websites all over the Internet that are specifically set up for, and encourage, political debate. There aren't a hell of a lot of vintage appliance communities, though.

I'm politically informed. I follow politics closely. I can talk a blue streak on politics with anyone any day of the week. But I don't. I don't think this is the place for that. I didn't enter an opinion on the illegal alien thread but I voted to shut the thread down. I didn't say anything in the smoking thread, etc. etc.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with you wanting a change or being excited about this election. But let's be honest. There is no truth seeking here. No one's mind will be changed. No one has been or will be enlightened. No votes will be changed. They never are. Let's at least be honest here. So is it ultimately worth it? When it gets personal or some people take offence and leave for good, is that worth it when no minds were changed anyway?

Remember this: Just because you have the right to say something doesn't mean it's right to say it.

 

[rp2813]

Political Subject Matter

. . . will probably drop sharply here after election day. Even on politically-based blogs it gets pretty dead after an election and doesn't pick up until a month or so prior to the next one.

Hopefully this site will be back on track with the type of subject matter that lured us here before too much longer, but I still feel the need to put my $.02 in re: political posts when I see an opposing view with an arrogant tone. Ideology has no place in elective office at any level, and I'll do my part to eradicate it. Hopefully that task will be on its way to being accomplished tomorrow.

What I hope the Dems do if they gain control is to make a statement that nobody should expect a complete turn-around in two years, that we will need to do this again in 2008 with a focus on the Executive Branch. We still need to get "that craven coward taking up space in the White House" (quoting a letter to the editor in the SF Chronicle a couple of years back) out of there before we can really work towards getting this country back on track, domestically and internationally.

OK, that's $.04 now so I'm over budget.

 

[frigilux]

I think the dominance of the politically-themed threads will wane a few days after the election. Mike, you're right---it would be a shame for this website to degenerate into a continual battle of Republican vs. Democrat (or any number of other labels). On the other hand, we all have opinions and many of us are extremely frustrated by the political powers that be. The politically-themed threads have certainly had--by far--the most traffic at the site.

I just hope this doesn't lead to punch-ups at future Wash-Ins! Or if it does, that Jason is there with his video camera, LOL.

Let's all remember what it is about AW.ORG that first brought us together---no matter how things shake out tomorrow, OK?

 

[retromom]

MIke you are so right!

I have watched the "political discussions" go back and forth on various threads for the last few weeks. While I am not opposed to true political debate (of which there has been some), much of the dialogue has been an attempt at "verbal bullying". Let me tell you folks, most people have their minds already made up and, no amount of personal attacks and hostile remarks will make them change it.

For those that feel the need to rant and insult to the point of red faces and bulging eyeballs, my suggestion is to go find a nice political forum and shriek away.

 

[runematic]

Anybody of the "pry my gun out of my cold stiff hands&q

Are you a moron or what? That really doesn't even deserve a response.

I spent the weekend at my hunting cabin w/ no phone, electricity, etc., just relaxing. I was really suprised to see this thread still going and the turns that it has taken. Yes, politcal discourse is great. But, with some folks on here, if you disagree, look out. I'm not leaving the site. I enjoy what I see & read here too much and I've met quite a few good people through aw.org.

I see so much conspiriacy theory stuff on here, it's amazing. I'm looking out my windows right now for black helicopters hovering above. Oxydol, Versatronic was right, watch out for those websites. They'll fill your head with a lot of bad information. I thought this was funny...."If you find truthseeking and political awareness personally offensive, you're quite able to avoid it entirely." But earlier you had posted on another thread...and I quote...
"Has anyone heard that Baghdad is under siege?

Google-Video-US Army Ammo Dump Attack

Did anyone see coverage of this on CNN?

Rumor has it over three hundred soldiers were killed.

I'm going to go research this, but this is not good.

I'm just trying to get some accurate info on this...

Update: apparently the dump that went up tonight had nothing to do with an attack at a "Falcon" base on 10/10. It has been said that over 300 were killed there, but, of course, there is no way to verify this."""

Come on back to earth, man. We're a tolerant bunch. We'll welcome you back. LOL.

Vers, I agree w/ you. Great posts.

 

[oxydolfan1]

How about a hovering black Kelvinator?

Seriously, I DID follow that post up by saying it was probably unsubtantiated. I don't think that's quite fair. If anything, I believe such things are actually probably happening....we just don't have access to accurate information regarding the Bush war.

This is not Vietnam, where correspondents are in theater, reporting. If they will not allow the coffins to be photographed, what is there to count?

What you SHOULD be asking yourselves is why so many of us have such a fundamental distrust of Republicans, and why we believe virtually nothing you (they) try to tell us.

We want a change. We want an end to carnage.

We want to be able to exhale again.

Are we wrong to want this for the country?

Argue the ISSUES, and stop blaming the media and the messengers.

 

[sudsmaster]

I'm voting for the best politicians money can buy

LOL

 

[Versatronic]

Wow

Man, you are tenacious. I'll give you that. Where in this thread has anyone blamed or even mentioned the media? Hell, all the media outlets are owned by big business and complicit with the Bush crime syndicate.

OK, let's start with issue number one. Obviously, Bushco masterminded 9/11 so he could frighten the U.S. public and have the cover he needed to set up a police state. Psychops, the oldest trick in the book. Create a crisis and then tell the lemmings that if they don't do what they're told, there will be no protection from the bad guys. For crying out loud, anybody can see that the towers came down from controlled explosions.

The Bin Ladens and the Bush's have a long history together and pulled off one of the biggest hoax's of all time. Bin Laden in a cave? Yeah, more like living in a palace somewhere except when the chimp needs a new "Boogie Man" video to trot out to the American people.

Well anyway, here's my question. What do you think Bush will do after his next two years are up? I'm thinking since he'll be out of the picture, then suddenly Bin Laden turns up dead, for the legacy thing, but not really dead, but somebody will be trotted out as Bin Laden to show that he slayed the dragon.

I don't know. How do you think he's going to play it? And what's next? I mean, there's no way that he put all this in motion and then like in two years, poof, it's over. Another Bush steps up to the plate to continue the movement toward a facist state? Two years from now, how does it play out? What's the next step in the New World Order if you had to guess?

Oh, and one last thing, but this is more of a statement than a question. I hear people saying that Bush is an idiot, Bush is a dimwit, blah blah blah. Don't believe it, nobody could be as stupid as he is and pull all this stuff off. He's not just Rove's puppet. I'm convinced of that. Well, I said that was more of a statement, but do you agree?

 

[frigilux]

I used to think that was probably the case too, Mike, but now I put him firmly in the 'dim' column. I think Rove figured out years ago he could 'sell' Bush's folksy personality to a large segment of the population. Getting Cheney (the policy/idea man) involved was all it took to go national.

The truly frightening thing is someone CAN be that dim and still pull off being the 'leader of the free world'. Maybe the real question should be "How gullible is the American voting public?"

 

[retromom]

If only it were that simple.....

So the Dems get a majority of the House and Senate and pull us out of Iraq...then what? Do we all go back to our happy households and proceed with our laundry duties? Hardly.

I think that there is abundant proof that dangerous enemies to America and its freedom are lying in wait for the perfect opportunity to launch an attack. I am disgusted with the bungled policies that the Bush administration has pursued in Iraq, but leaving the territory only allows the void to be filled with those that seek to take over the Middle East and eventually attempt to destroy the US economically and/or physically.

I think transparency during a war is a big mistake. Believe me, there are things you don't want to know or shouldn't know. This administration has learned from Lyndon Johnson's attempts at transparency during the Viet Nam War. It may be the only thing they've learned.

Regardless of who gets elected, hard decisions are going to have to be made about how we deal with fundamentalists, terrorists, and nuclear proliferation before we can even attempt to address domestic policy. If we don't address these issues, domestic policy may be a moot point.

 

[oxydolfan1]

I don't believe Bush, or any of them, are stupid.

They just spew out the lines they are trained to recite.

Versatronic, I have no idea what will happen next. I don't have a copy of their ongoing blueprint for this nation's destruction!

In fact, I just had a call from Bill Clinton, and he didn't seem to know either, lol!

My question regarding why the US government has suddenly felt it necessary to establish concentration camps, for ANYONE, remains unanswered. Why? I don't sit up nights wringing my hands over these things, but the questions that so-called conspiracy theorists do bring up ARE good questions.

Versatronic, I've met enough kindred spirits on this board to convince me irrevocably that I have indeed found a pleasant place to post! I've never allowed any negators to undermine my search for truth and justice, and I made it to forty-one on Saturday, so I must be doing something right!

The presidency is simply too far in the future to speculate definitively on. If the two, horribly flawed candidates being floated around right now are the nominees, obviously I'll vote Hillary over McCain, but I'll hold out hope that better choices assert themselves in performance over the next few months.

If Hitler's rise to power would have been derailed a few years after he assumed power, no one would have been discussing the merits of what party could have been the one to do so. They would have been used as a means to an end.

And Bush is far worse than Hitler, that much we know.

We can't even approximate what the Bush Crime Family has done to us, until the dust settles.

 

[oxydolfan1]

I disagree, retromom.

I'm not threatened by "Islamofascists" in my day-to-day life.

If one lives in Dearborn or Hamtranck, maybe.

Right now, the United States HAS no foreign policy.

It's go along, or we invade, rape, torture, and kill.

And this is what BREEDS future terrorism. Do you blame them?

I really don't, and I don't intend to live in a spirit of fear.

Where is the transparency, if the invasion of Iraq was based on a lie? After you understand that, doesn't what has been done to you sort of all fall into place?

 

[retromom]

Oxydolfan1

"I'm not threatened by "Islamofascists" in my day-to-day life."

It's alright dear, we'll let you know when it's ok to take your head out of the sand.

 

[mickeyd]

the blood bath begins

in nine hours and nine minutes Eastern Standard Time.

I hope and pray to God with all my heart and on my knees that when these agents of Satan are routed from office, their remnants do not precipitate another attack on America, complicit as they were in the last one.

I love you all. You are not the enemy. You are not orchestrating murder and madness; elected officials are. If God truly exists, we will see His hand in history tomorrow. If not, I am asking Samantha to tweak his nose and turn me into an Apex Bouncing Basket because I'd rather be a happy machine in his basememt than a demoralized man witnessing the apocalypse.

God, You better bless America tomorrow.

Love,

Michael

 

[oxydolfan1]

Retromom,

I know, I know.....oldwasherguy already yelled at me, lol!

 

[oxydolfan1]

Michael, the enemy is just itching to get Iran happening.

They cannot focus on anything else....no safety, no security, no financial accountability....

It used to be all about oil.

Now it's all about murder, and power.

 

[mickeyd]

When I realized

that they control the media, the gas prices, AND THE STOCK MARKET, not to mention the Iraqi Courts, all manipulated just before the election, I knew the future looked grim.

Only American comedy is still free--and of course all the arts.

Imagine, we hope John Stewart and Colbert run for office. Our only hope is in our comedians. It's so funny. We have to watch Comedy Central to find out the truth. Maybe Cartman will replace Rumsfeld and the South Park Kids will be our next Cabinet.