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Good video and love hopper shots!!!Wether it be in this case disposers,trash trucks,large shredders and compactors!Bones---didn't know animals were strung together with rectangular bone peices-hope ours aren't made that way.And oh yes----when GE made nice things and---made them in the US!!The last "GE" disposer I had was made in---CHINA!!!Not anything like the one shown in the film.Disposer makers should bring back the Carboloy shredders.And they would be great in giant EIDAL vertical shredders-their website shows hopper shots of things being ground in them--these machines may have motors up to like 500hp and grind anything dumpted into them!A hopper shot showed an EIDAL shredder grinding scrap metal--loved the SPARKS in the hopper!!!!Like the Fourth of July!And liked the kitchen in the disposall video-nice,- unlike trashy kitchens of today.Throw the todays kitchens into the EIDAL shredder!
 
Stainless Steel

Yesterday I removed and cleaned the stinking 6 or so year old Insinkerator from our facility. That flywheel down in there was RUSTED. Today I learned that it was leaking like a sieve, and sure enough, right out of the motor. So this evening I installed a new one. Now tonight I'm wishing I could have installed a 60 year old DisposAll lol.

I love old stuff!
 
I didn't realize that I had one.  This is in a late 1940's GE electric sink.  I stole the stainless racks for my 1954 GE that's going in the kitchen.  I am now going to use the disposer!  It better be as great as that film makes it out to be.

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1960's disposer

Travis, this looks like a mid to late sixties "Disposall". A wonderful garbage disposal. You will love it!! One of the better disposers for fruit pits and bones.
Can you give us a close up of the manufacturer's label at the bottom of the unit?
 
I beleive the one shown is a real GE machine.The kind with the "blender motor" in it-high speed.These are VERY effective and FAST!Some of these had Carboloy shredders in them.Otherwise just a simple "slasher" type projection in the inside of the hopper above the rotating shredder.
 
..the real thing!

Rex, that is the real thing! A genuine Louisville, KY built "Disposall" built by our own people not the communists in China. (and not by Annaheim Manufacturing in Calif.) I think it is the series-wound motor as well. That's why I wanted to see the manufacturer's label.

I have both the induction models and the series-wound, they are both better than average disposers. The series wound units work at 8000 rpm, about 4 times the speed of conventional induction machines. Using theses "blender" motors as you say, Rex, was a real coup on GE's part. Series wound motors increase torque with a decrease in speed.

The more you put in it, the more is slows down its rpm as the more the torque curve increases. Some people criticize it for this, when in reality you want it to slow down. What sounds like slow is often still much higher than the standard 1725 rpm of a conventional induction motor. A series-wound motor is like a loyal dog who will give its life fighting to protect his master. If it weren't for the thermal/current cutout it would fight the load until it literally burned up.

So yes the GE series unit are much faster on corn cobs and things like pork chop bones. However, I have a tendency to put too many cobs in non-stop and the overload will kick in to protect the motor. On the GE induction, it may be a touch slower, but you can put cobs, watermelon rinds, etc. down non-stop for a much longer time before you overheat the motor.

But the series motor, aside from the noise, is ideally suited for a disposal. Torque increases with load applied with a drop in rpm, so while grinding it's not that noisy as rpms are often in the range of a conventional disposer. As the chamber clears, rpm's go up and that sprays the water hitting the impellers and creates a cleansing effect for the chamber. So when it starts sounding like a vacuum cleaner again, you know its down grinding and flushing itself. Cool!!
 
I like the universal motors,too-another thing that could be done to lessen the strain on the universal motor-put a fan in it like on others to keep it cool.In a disposer the motor heats up FAST-the water actually doesn't cool the motor-if you throw that handful of corncobs in it.Do them one at a time-you would be surprized-like with a blender-the batches end up being faster.When the universal motor disposer is mounted in the kitchen sink cabinet-both the cabinet and water flow muffle the motors noise and the shredding noise.I too like to hear so you can find out as the motor speeds up and shredding sounds diminish-time to add more stuff.Like the blender-the disposer motor works best at high speeds.If I were to have LOTS of tough waste-best to save that for the trash truck!The compactor-packer in those will handle ANY kitchen waste with no sweat!!
 
I would trade in a brand new faux Louie the 14th/french country farmhouse or whatever the name of this current style kitchen with a 1,000 sq ft of marble and tile and wooden embellishments for that kitchen in the video in a heartbeat! Love that video!
 
The video was cool and I'd love to have that kitchen!

I have no experience with disposers. We had these things called humus piles, lol. Anything organic got thrown there.

I got a kick out of that old-fashioned style of speaking the narrator had. For some reason it's impossible to take seriously and only inspires giggles when used to 'teach' what is supposedly 'good','bad','right', 'wrong', etc. HOWEVER, it's great for technical info like this video had. You can actually focus on the information... Unlike today when you feel like someone is trying to convince you something wonderful ... and you're just like, "Dude, just tell me how your impeller design is better than the competition's."

Kind of makes me want to check out the other vids on the site....

Thanks,

Jim
 
Induction

Thanks for the pictures, Travis!! That is an induction motor unit. the induction machines pulled 7.0 amps and GE only put "Heavy Duty" on those machines.

General Electric's series-wound machines, of the day, pulled 5.0 - 5.3 amps depending on the production year. They later had a few BOL series units that went down to 4.5 amps.

I agree, Jeff, that would be a dream kitchen to have!!!
 
I think it works fine. I got all the leaves out of it today. I plugged it in and ran it and it spit out some crud.

I'm not sure if I like the batch feed model. I'll hook it up though and see how it goes.
 
have fun with it, Travis

Rex said it best. They are "great" machines.

I think you will like the batch feed once you get used to it, Travis. They have some advantages. You don't have to push or force things in past the splash guard (since there isn't any.) You just drop them in the hole. And bone fragments, etc. can't fly up out it while operating since the stopper is on while it is running. The stopper also keeps much of the sound from escaping through the opening while it's grinding.

Make sure your impellers (swivel hammers) are free to rotate. Sometimes if the unit has set around unused gunk will get under them. Spray a little penetrating oil on the pivots, let it set for a while, then gring up a couple of pork chop bones. This will usually break the hammers loose and also the bone fragments flying around inside the hopper will scour it and the turntable really nice and shiny clean.
 
GE Disposalls

GE made some good disposers over the years and also some pretty cheap ones. The only reason they made the series wound motor units was they were cheap to make and took up less space. The series wound motor units were generally only recommended for new construction as it didn't grind the waste nearly as fine as the better induction units as a result they would clog pipes if you had older plumbing in your home.

 

The Carboloy cutter that GE added to their induction units is probably more of an advertising gimmick then any real advantage and performance I'm sure it added a 10 or 15% advantage but that one little quarter inch square piece of Carboloy sure couldn't have done much, I have seen older GE disposers with the carboy cutter where it was worn completely smooth. The real beauty of the induction units is the little square holes punched in the grinding ring those holes never really got dual and as a result the machines continue to grind well throughout their lifetime.

 

Even though these GE induction disposers all were quite good I would still rate the Maytag disposers the waste King disposers and the National-Kitchenaid  and the of coarse the In Sink Erator disposers as far ahead of GEs efforts.
 
new construction only???

What is your data source, combo52 that says GE series wound disposers were "only recommended for new construction."? I would like for you to displays that source or give us the reference so we can look it up.

My recommendation is just the opposite. The series-wound motor propel the waste with such force that I have found them to actually prevent plumbing clogs. From my parents experience with an older home and my sister and brother-in-law who had an older house that experienced frequent kitchen plumbing clogs. He changed over to a GE series at my recommendation and never experienced a clog again in the rest of the time he owned the house.

I have been using a series would GE's on and off since by parents replaced their Westinghouse Disposal with a GE series in 1971. I have never had a Carboloy cutter wear down.

The advantage of the Carbaloy cutter is that is high grade high carbon content steel that last longer than conventional steel. The cutter in the lower line series models, is basically a piece of standard steel welded to the hopper.

The Carbaloy cutter is made with a sharp edge and of course high carbon steel will hold its edge longer. My parents house was built in 1954 and did not have good plumbing, by any stretch of the imagination. My dad loved the series GE because of the force at which is discharges wastes and kept their plumbing lines from clogging. As an empirical test, you can fill a sink up with water and allow the disposer to pull it down, and make a comparison. The series GE pulls it down with quite a force and discharges it faster than the induction units that I have and have used. I've never actually timed various units in doing this. That might be a fun experiment in the future!

Wes would you agree that In-Sink-Erators excel in grinding ability over the General Electric's (not the newer Anaheim or Chinese GE's, but the older "real" GE's.)

No way with fruits pits or hard bones, GE's are much faster and do not have the pits and bones bouncing around for long periods of time before the machine can dispose of them. I had a high end Kenmore, 1hp,(ISE built and I felt it was very slow of the harder pits. Often bones, like pork chop bones, would grind, but more slowly than the GE's and of course, that's a big waste of water because you have to leave it running while the disposer is attempting to grind its load and clear the chamber.

The non-Insinkerator built Maytags were wonderful. They are good all around units that tend to do everything well, in my opinion. One of my favorite disposers. I only owned one BOL Hobart-built National which was exceedingly noisy and jammed frequently. It had non-swiveling impellers and could not move away from jammed bone fragments, etc. It also had no rubber or elastic type mount to mitigate noise/vibration transmission to the sink.

I wouldn't even mention National in the same breathe as GE. The National was cheaply built, noisy and a frequent jammer.

Never had a Kitchen-Aid built by Hobart, but currently have the Viking built version of the Kitchen-Aid. Viking bought the design rights for the machine. It is good. A VERY heavy machine. Small hopper in the continuous feed model so it splashes out of the throat opening a lot. Grinding is not noisy, but the motor vibrations are transmitted to the sink and quite audible when there is not loud grinding. I like it, its a good heavy duty machine. Can't dispose of fruits pits nearly as fast as either GE, they tend to rattle around in the hopper before the machine can get them fine enough. But it still doesn't take as long as most of the ISE/Kenmore's I've had.

Another wonderful disposer, which hasn't been mentioned yet, is the original Waste King (before they were built by Annaheim, Manufacturing. They also built many of the units for Frigidaire. Excellent machines all the way around. They were quiet and had a very effective mount to dampen vibration transmission.
 
I have seen the universal motored GE's along with the induction ones at a GE dealer years ago.You could buy either one.The induction one was more expensive.I liked the earlier ISE machines that had the cast shredders as opposed to the stampted ones today.Just wished ISE used undercutters.They do now--but their present machines shred SLOWLY!!!and would waste time and water.My Mom lived in a house with a universal GE and NEVER had a clog.The earlier Waste King machines were plain awesome!!Efficient,quiet and shredded very fine-no clogs there!Bring that design back,PLEASE!!The Aneheim deseign is CRAP!!!
 
For those interested

That's a 1960 GE set kitchen; we've all seen it before in a multitude of print ads, sometimes it's Petal Pink, sometimes it's Turquoise Green. The oven and the dishwasher (neither Princess, nor Empress, but a very fine "Custom 4-Cycle" with Plate Warmer button) are without a doubt from that year. I'd kill for one of those dishwashers.

 

I'd love to have a disposal unit, but my septic engineer explained to me that disposers actually do <span style="text-decoration: underline; font-size: 14pt;">too</span> good a job of grinding food up into small bits and those small bits don't spend any time decomposing in the septic tank but head straight to the leaching fields where they clog up the works. So now I compost which is a smelly, messy chore that I do out of the conviction that I'm doing some small good for the land around me.

 

BTW, I'm told that the Custom 4-Cycle in the picture below is floating around out there. If whoever has it ever wants to sell it to a good home...

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I have a friend in the UK who used to have a Waste King made in Anaheim, would be about 15 years old now I guess.  Very small unit with small grinding chamber and quite noisy but high RPM (I think about 2700) and used to grind very fast.  Would grind anything no problem.  Then she moved to a new home with a big ISE unit that was quieter.  Now she has moved again and has the TOL Insinkerator Evolution model which is very quiet and has the under cutter.

 

Here in Spain I have the BOL Insinkerator and it is ok but noisy and slow with Parmesan rind and also I have always found that BOL Insinkerator models struggle with lemons.  They do grind lemons eventually but they sometimes get wedged.  Interestingly I have never known a disposal to jam.  I have also never used a batch-feed model.  They are sold in the UK and Spain but I have never used one.  Never seen one in the USA either.

 

I did once cause the mother of all clogs in a vacation rental house in Arizona.  I put down a whole load of uncooked spaghetti and it did clog in the trap.  So I put boiling water down -- obviously a mistake with pasta!  The result, having left it overnight, was a congealed mess in the trap that resembled concrete!  Pretty easy to remove the trap, then had to poke a stick through to get rid of it LOL!  Other than that, I have never had a problem with clogging except I used to live in an apartment in Brighton, UK and it had a BOL Insinkerator that was installed when the place was built in 2005.  This would clog constantly even with the most basic small amounts of food going down.  I had to get Dyno-Rod out several times.  Presumably something wrong with the plumbing.
 
Who makes the Evergrind brand for Menards?

The Emerson Electric Company - in other words, InSinkerAtor.

Which brings up Barry, if the GE disposal is superior why is just about every disposal, at least in our area, is an Insinkerator? Could it have something to do with there being a Kenmore version?

Also, ISE hypes that once the collar with the drain flange is installed on the sink, it is possible to simply screw connect in a new ISE into the old drain flange, kind of like when they dock spacecraft to the International Space Station. But I find usually by the time they need a new disposal the flange is so beat up and ratty that I end up replacing it anyway.

Here's a tip: The drain flange with the snap ring with the other parts is a real pain to install under a sink, so it can help to duct tape the flange in the sink and then tape up the other parts on the underside of the sink. That way it is possible to get that pesky snap ring snapped so it can support all the parts.
 
GE disposals

Hi Bob. General Electric has not manufactured disposers since about 1980. Anything after that time is Annaheim manufactured who paid GE a royalty to stick their logo on their machines. For a brief time in the late eighties and early nineties, Anaheim manufactured a unit with GE's logo based on the old series-wound motor design, but after a few years dropped it.

Waste King, Whirlaway, GE, BoneCrusher, etc. are now all Anaheim Manufacturing built units.

I remember throughout most of the sixties and early seventies General Electric disposers were found in most of the major department stores appliance departments where I lived and were the choice brand for many builders who put in the series-wound units in new homes.

Can you remember the days when builders often put in kitchens with all the appliances being one brand? Then they would advertise it with "Kitchen Equipped with Appliances by General Electric" etc. Often in this area the homes had GE heating/cooling systems as well.

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I would say not...

The evolution has more sound insulation but I think if you get the lowest price that has a stainless steel turntable inside should be good. Even the low priced one with the galvanized turntable will be ok. Disposals eventually leak in the bearings after about 10 years so you will end up replacing an evolution anyway at the time and since most people don't run a disposal for a long time (we don't)why not save any extra 100 dollars. The Evergrind is like the Badger disposals ISE makes for Home Depot, OK but not an evolution.
 
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