Samsung Water Wall Dishwashers
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glenfieldmathk1
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Why do people keep making new threads about this? Must be the 3rd one this year?
anyway...Its a completely annoying technology, that'll most probably break very easy, or not last long. Meanwhile, the power isn't there, as they simply cannot use enough water to make it powerful. Look at it loaded, and on its Eco setting, there's barely enough water to power the spray arms, yet alone that bar.
anyway...Its a completely annoying technology, that'll most probably break very easy, or not last long. Meanwhile, the power isn't there, as they simply cannot use enough water to make it powerful. Look at it loaded, and on its Eco setting, there's barely enough water to power the spray arms, yet alone that bar.
Samsung makes good cell phones, but their appliances leave much to be desired...
Apparently they do better in the Netherlands. On the Dutch website "Kieskeurig" (similar to Epinions) their washing machines get very high ratings:
I have had a Samsung Side by Side for almost 9 years. The best refrigerator I have ever owned. It is twin cooling and by Samsung standards this means that the refrigerator and freezer is separate. Does not share air. It will keep vegetables and fruit forever...not to mention meat on the fridge side. Amazingly well!
On the freezer side I have keep meat for ages without a trace of freezer burn for over 2 years!!!!
I have never had any issues what so ever. I hope it last for many more years. I will replace it with the same brand.
It is "sub-zero" benefits without the "Sub-Zero" COMMON ISSUES. And not to mention at the ridiculous prices of Sub-Zero products at such higher failure rates.
Very happy!
Cheers!
B
On the freezer side I have keep meat for ages without a trace of freezer burn for over 2 years!!!!
I have never had any issues what so ever. I hope it last for many more years. I will replace it with the same brand.
It is "sub-zero" benefits without the "Sub-Zero" COMMON ISSUES. And not to mention at the ridiculous prices of Sub-Zero products at such higher failure rates.
Very happy!
Cheers!
B
Now that there are more videos of this on the internet...
The water shoots out from 6 holes in a distributor arm in the back of the machine into the moving water wall arm. Any chance of this getting clogged up? Is it easy to remove and clean out to keep the 6 jet holes aimed properly?
What is the mechanism that moves the water wall arm back and forth? Since the distributor arm appears to takes up a lot of space in the back of the machine, how to items placed back there get cleaned, since the water wall can't get all the way back?
If the water wall arm gets blocked, how would the movement mechanism be damaged?
What's the water pressure like for the different cycles? It must be significant to get across the bottom of the tank when the water wall is furthest away.
No food grinder... Filtering system... Rinse water getting sucked through the gunk... Dishes are really clean?
The water shoots out from 6 holes in a distributor arm in the back of the machine into the moving water wall arm. Any chance of this getting clogged up? Is it easy to remove and clean out to keep the 6 jet holes aimed properly?
What is the mechanism that moves the water wall arm back and forth? Since the distributor arm appears to takes up a lot of space in the back of the machine, how to items placed back there get cleaned, since the water wall can't get all the way back?
If the water wall arm gets blocked, how would the movement mechanism be damaged?
What's the water pressure like for the different cycles? It must be significant to get across the bottom of the tank when the water wall is furthest away.
No food grinder... Filtering system... Rinse water getting sucked through the gunk... Dishes are really clean?
mrb627
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Power Driven
At first, I thought this mechanism was driven by water pressure alone, but I am not sure how it could possibly return to the back side of the tub against the pressure of the water without some additional power.
Any ideas?
Malcolm
At first, I thought this mechanism was driven by water pressure alone, but I am not sure how it could possibly return to the back side of the tub against the pressure of the water without some additional power.
Any ideas?
Malcolm
According to the patent, there's a motor and a pully driving the deflector.
"Motor and pulley driving the deflector"
Ugh - just more to go wrong on a dishwasher that is more than likely ALREADY going to break.
Why not just make a dishwasher that has adequate water/spray coverage, rather than adding this gimmicky feature that wastes time, and is only a hindrance to the longevity of the machine?
Orbital wash-arms, ala GE or Frigidaire, anyone?
Ugh - just more to go wrong on a dishwasher that is more than likely ALREADY going to break.
Why not just make a dishwasher that has adequate water/spray coverage, rather than adding this gimmicky feature that wastes time, and is only a hindrance to the longevity of the machine?
Orbital wash-arms, ala GE or Frigidaire, anyone?
whirlcool
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Watching it work, it reminds of of the scanner I use with my computer. I wonder if these DW use the same technology. i.e. cables and motors to move the wash arm.
mark_wpduet
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Same threads
people probably post the same threads because it gets so far down they don't realize it's already been posted.
At any rate, it does look like of cool to me, but when they put the cam to the side/top, I'm not sure sure the water is getting at the very top very well. I can't imagine items in that top tray getting clean, only because it doesn't look like enough pressure toward the top.
people probably post the same threads because it gets so far down they don't realize it's already been posted.
At any rate, it does look like of cool to me, but when they put the cam to the side/top, I'm not sure sure the water is getting at the very top very well. I can't imagine items in that top tray getting clean, only because it doesn't look like enough pressure toward the top.
The bottom sprayer does not have to reach all the way up - there're two more spray arms. I posted a video of this dishwasher here (reply #22)
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CES 2014
Besides the 5.6 cu.ft Samsung, here's more from CES 2014: LG: http://laundry.reviewed.com/news/lg-dryers-feature-heat-pumps-nfc-and-trick-doors-at-ces and: http://www.newswire.co.kr/newsRead.php?no=731025&ected= Whirlpool: http://laundry.reviewed.com/news/whirlpool-brings-new-style-to-ces
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I love how the media is just eating this up. Sadly, human society is too easily impressed these days by gimmicks and advertising. There is a reason that with all the "innovations" made to the method of spraying water, dishwashers have always reverted back to rotating wash arms, and for good reason; if something is not broken, and it works well, don't fix it. I looked at this machine hands-on at Lowe's the other day. The track that the "deflector" rides on is flimsy, and as far as the scanner comparison someone stated earlier, the rubber belt that moves it back and forth is exactly like the ones in scanners and printers, in addition to the fact that it's exposed underneath the track. What's going to happen in a couple of years when steam and splattered debris start causing mold and rot? That is if the rubber belt doesn't disintegrate from heat in general before that happens. Also, even in the alternating arm systems by Bosch and Whirlpool, the spray from the bottom arm has enough force to hit the top of the tub without dishes, but this so called WaterWall barely has enough to reach the top rack. Yes, the upper rack has a dedicated wash arm, but that's not the point. If the spray can't even reach the top of the tub, how will it have the power to peel off dried soil and gunky foods like peanut butter?
While the water wall moves slowly, that means the dishes are spending a lot of time NOT being sprayed... Increased pressure to offset this, or increase washing time to compensate? Or marketing mush saying it give the water and detergent time to "work"...?
That's also a good point. A traditional wash arm makes a full rotation every 1.5 to 3 seconds, which means in that time, each side of the arm has made a pass under the dishes. In 30-45 minutes time (normal Main Wash time for dishwashers that don't alternate racks, and that's probably pushing it even) that's a lot of revolutions, and a lot of sprays delivered. This looks like much more time goes by between passes, which means that unless the cycle times for this machine have also been substantially increased, that's not even as much wash action frequency as resource-saving models now.
Not believing in the system either...
... but shouldn't it be taken into account that the wash-spray stays way longer at one point, so the dirt is effected longer in a row? I think, this should cancel this out. But really not sure about this.
But this drive system sounds badly designed. I think it would have been better if they would have intergrated a middle rail into the tub and cupled the bar via magnets and then placed the drive system out of the tub.
... but shouldn't it be taken into account that the wash-spray stays way longer at one point, so the dirt is effected longer in a row? I think, this should cancel this out. But really not sure about this.
But this drive system sounds badly designed. I think it would have been better if they would have intergrated a middle rail into the tub and cupled the bar via magnets and then placed the drive system out of the tub.
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