jasonl
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I'm so getting this washer and dryer. You just watch.
Cottage gets built, Oasis set (and maybe a vintage Kenmore) goes in.
Cottage gets built, Oasis set (and maybe a vintage Kenmore) goes in.
Sears Oasis-Have a look
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Reverse rollover is mentioned in the description text and details at Kenmore web site. Follow the link in the first post above, and look at all the detail points.
Agitator and Disk?
Only my opinion! I think WP knows that many people still want a familiar agitator washing their clothes instead of a FL. Fl's need too many specifics to get what a TL machine can do in 40-45 minutes. I am not anti FL in any way...cool splash action. I applaud WP for doing what they doing.
Guys really who is left?
Only my opinion! I think WP knows that many people still want a familiar agitator washing their clothes instead of a FL. Fl's need too many specifics to get what a TL machine can do in 40-45 minutes. I am not anti FL in any way...cool splash action. I applaud WP for doing what they doing.
Guys really who is left?
This is certainly a handsome w/d set; I want to find out if there is going to be a wrinkling/tangling issue with it, as there was with the Calypso and the Maytag TL Neptune.
If this machine gets good reports from both home users and Consumer Reports, it may be the first TL'er to tempt me away from my beloved FL format... Love that moon-roof lid on the washer.
My only other comment is this: Should their descriptive have jumped from 'king size' capacity straight to 'canyon' capacity? Maybe they should have left room for enlargement by saying this first-issue model had 'crater' capacity, LOL! It's hard to go any larger than Canyon Capacity.
If this machine gets good reports from both home users and Consumer Reports, it may be the first TL'er to tempt me away from my beloved FL format... Love that moon-roof lid on the washer.
My only other comment is this: Should their descriptive have jumped from 'king size' capacity straight to 'canyon' capacity? Maybe they should have left room for enlargement by saying this first-issue model had 'crater' capacity, LOL! It's hard to go any larger than Canyon Capacity.
toggleswitch
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If tubs get any bigger they will hang out of the bottom of the cabinet; such as, perhaps, huge balls "covered" by a mini-skirt and no undies.
launderess
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Warning-Shamless
Well you know how you lads are; everything is always described as/has to be "larger" than the next.
*LOL*
L.
Well you know how you lads are; everything is always described as/has to be "larger" than the next.
*LOL*
L.
Designgeek
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Nah, just the American tendency toward bigger-is-better, which works up to a point. I suppose the next size up from Canyon would be called an Oceanic
Here's another speculation on what they might mean by "reverse rollover." Perhaps if the water level is just right (i.e. less water than a conventional TL, which could be the water conservation aspect they're promoting), the disc causes the entire mass of water & clothes to move in a circle that coincides with the axis of the disc? That would require a slow long stroke with a brief pause between reversals. The turnover would be less rapid than with conventional agitation, and much of the cleaning would be done at the bottom of the tub where the water currents were most vigorous. Could be effective, but also potentially very splashy.
BTW, I did check out the link above. -> About Oasis -> Cleans better: shows a slow-motion animation or series of sill pics with one white item among a bunch of dark items, but I still can't figure out exactly what's going on.
And now that I think of it, interesting that they have a little *boy* looking into the machine: breaking down the old stereotypes about girls and housework, and/or maybe playing off the idea of boys being into interesting mechanical stuff (i.e. implied: this is so mechanically innovative that boys find it interesting). The same little boy turns up in another picture, sitting on the clear lid while mom is picking up a laundry basket. (Implied: Yes, the clear lid is strong, look, your kid can sit on it without breaking it.) In fact there's yet another shot of the same kid looking into the dryer: he's got a soccer ball in one hand, and his sneakers are apparently sitting on a removable shelf that's been put in the dryer to dry them. (implied: but this boy's not an indoor-kid, see, he plays outdoor sports!)
Here's another speculation on what they might mean by "reverse rollover." Perhaps if the water level is just right (i.e. less water than a conventional TL, which could be the water conservation aspect they're promoting), the disc causes the entire mass of water & clothes to move in a circle that coincides with the axis of the disc? That would require a slow long stroke with a brief pause between reversals. The turnover would be less rapid than with conventional agitation, and much of the cleaning would be done at the bottom of the tub where the water currents were most vigorous. Could be effective, but also potentially very splashy.
BTW, I did check out the link above. -> About Oasis -> Cleans better: shows a slow-motion animation or series of sill pics with one white item among a bunch of dark items, but I still can't figure out exactly what's going on.
And now that I think of it, interesting that they have a little *boy* looking into the machine: breaking down the old stereotypes about girls and housework, and/or maybe playing off the idea of boys being into interesting mechanical stuff (i.e. implied: this is so mechanically innovative that boys find it interesting). The same little boy turns up in another picture, sitting on the clear lid while mom is picking up a laundry basket. (Implied: Yes, the clear lid is strong, look, your kid can sit on it without breaking it.) In fact there's yet another shot of the same kid looking into the dryer: he's got a soccer ball in one hand, and his sneakers are apparently sitting on a removable shelf that's been put in the dryer to dry them. (implied: but this boy's not an indoor-kid, see, he plays outdoor sports!)
golittlesport
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The next marketing ploy could be "bottomless pit" capacity. Ha! All of these adjectives really mean nothing....ex large, super, king-size...what does that tell you? All the manufacturers should just list tub size. Seems like only the front loaders do that.
Greg (gansky1) sent me two promotional Maytag videos some years ago. One was of the Maytag Atlantis (first generation). The video showed a mother and her son doing laundry. So it's not really new, but I guess in marketing it's not rare that you see boys doing laundry.
Richie, I had the bottomless pit thought at 6:99 an this morning. Great marketing minds ...
pulsator-power
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Well, I got to see the Oasis tonight finally. Our Sears had a blue, white & black model. Huge, to say the least. It's like an added room in the house. Just install TV & recliner in it- youre all set! It holds 23 bath towels. (everything is measured in bath towels, not lbs anymore). The wash motion is a twisting pulsator. They made it taller than the average tl. Looks like alot of fun for $1150! Impressed with the 1000 rpm spin. Uses about 20 gal. as compared with the typical top loader. Now, the other agitator Oasis model also has a huge tub, but uses the 45 gal of water. No window in the lid, which looks strange, but... Anyway the salesman said the display models came in this past week & they'll be available for sale next week. Built by Whirlpool, wonder if they'll come out with their own as wellas a Maytag model eventually. Again, very impressive
Jerry
Jerry
If disk is good, why make agitator?
"(the disk version) Uses about 20 gal. .....
the other agitator Oasis model also has a huge tub, but uses the 45 gal of water"
If the disk version is cleaning so well with 20 gal of water, why make the agitator version which uses more than twice the amount of water (45 gal).
"(the disk version) Uses about 20 gal. .....
the other agitator Oasis model also has a huge tub, but uses the 45 gal of water"
If the disk version is cleaning so well with 20 gal of water, why make the agitator version which uses more than twice the amount of water (45 gal).
Veddy interesting! I looked everywhere to find the spin speed specs. Anyone know what they are?
"If the disk version is cleaning so well with 20 gal of water, why make the agitator version which uses more than twice the amount of water (45 gal)".
Because it's what multitudes in the USA know and want. Old habits die hard i guess.
Because it's what multitudes in the USA know and want. Old habits die hard i guess.
laundromat
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the spin speed in their top of the line model is 1150 RPMs!!!!!
The Oasis with the "Flex Care Agitator" is a rebadged Fisher & Paykel top load washer. The agitator has the corkscrew top and rubber vanes at the bottom. The cabinet matches the washer; rounded corners reminiscent of 50's Kenmores. The impeller model also looks like a F&P without the agitator.
jasonl
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Agitator vs Impeller
What it is about the agitator model that it doesn't have a window? Is it just shameful to see an agitator? Perhaps too masculine or too phallic vs. the short, stubby impeller? Hmmm... Freudian psychology at work here.
What it is about the agitator model that it doesn't have a window? Is it just shameful to see an agitator? Perhaps too masculine or too phallic vs. the short, stubby impeller? Hmmm... Freudian psychology at work here.
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That Oasis is AWESOME; would love to play with one! Why isn't the agitator machine on the Sears site yet? I'm very curious about that particular model.
And is the top spin speed 1050 or 1150 RPM? I highly doubt that it spins faster than a Unimatic...
And is the top spin speed 1050 or 1150 RPM? I highly doubt that it spins faster than a Unimatic...
pulsator-power
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The agitator version is also a very impressive looking machine. With a window it would look so much better, as the window version is so stylish. It's a BIG agitator! The sales guy said the regular Oasis spins at 1000 rpm. The price of the agitator model was $850. He said built by Whirpool, not F & P.
Jerry
Jerry
pulsator-power
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Oh and I forgot to mention that the lid locks during wash cycle and you have a button to unlock it to add an article of laundry.
Jerry
Jerry
laundromat
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oasis/cabrio
F&P makes the kitchen Aid dish drawers and is also making the guts to the Whirlpool/Kenmore Oasis/Cabrio machines.They may also begin making a few of the high end wall ovens and cooktops.The blue speckled porcelain interiors will give the ovens away.
F&P makes the kitchen Aid dish drawers and is also making the guts to the Whirlpool/Kenmore Oasis/Cabrio machines.They may also begin making a few of the high end wall ovens and cooktops.The blue speckled porcelain interiors will give the ovens away.
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Agitator w/ no window: Nothing quite so Freudian; probably a way of differentiating the product and attracting more attention to the disc model. And dealing with the user's curiosity about how this new contraption actually works.
Now if the disc model uses half the water of the agitator, clearly the entire cleaning principle has to be different: My guess is it would have to depend on the disc turning the load over by direct contact rather than by moving the water in a rollover motion; or it would move the water more than the clothes (either way the relative motion is what counts). But I'm still not sure I understand this one. Any chance of a video other than the slow-motion one on the opening page of the Sears site (which I also can't make sense of)?
And how does this differ from the standard Asian pulsator system? Or to put it differently, could one use a pulsator washer in a similar manner, with a lower water level for a given size load?
Quick speculation about agitators. Seems to me there is a change in the velocity of the water as it gets pulled down and moved outward by the lower fins. In that case, cloth would be stretched slightly as it turned from heading downward to heading outward, and this would help free up dirt that was lodged in the weave of the cloth. Is there anything to this or am I imaginging things?
Now if the disc model uses half the water of the agitator, clearly the entire cleaning principle has to be different: My guess is it would have to depend on the disc turning the load over by direct contact rather than by moving the water in a rollover motion; or it would move the water more than the clothes (either way the relative motion is what counts). But I'm still not sure I understand this one. Any chance of a video other than the slow-motion one on the opening page of the Sears site (which I also can't make sense of)?
And how does this differ from the standard Asian pulsator system? Or to put it differently, could one use a pulsator washer in a similar manner, with a lower water level for a given size load?
Quick speculation about agitators. Seems to me there is a change in the velocity of the water as it gets pulled down and moved outward by the lower fins. In that case, cloth would be stretched slightly as it turned from heading downward to heading outward, and this would help free up dirt that was lodged in the weave of the cloth. Is there anything to this or am I imaginging things?
"And how does this differ from the standard Asian pulsator system?"
IMO, a pulsator system will certainly damage laundry with a lower water.
That's why I am skeptical about Oasis disk machine and its rollover claims.
Perhaps a video could relief my skeptism.
IMO, a pulsator system will certainly damage laundry with a lower water.
That's why I am skeptical about Oasis disk machine and its rollover claims.
Perhaps a video could relief my skeptism.
jasonl
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So if that's true, I'm guessing the Oasis will sound and operate something like an F&P machine.
That's ok because I had my sights on F&P set anyway.
I bet the corkscrew agitator can roll the clothes like crazy with the F&P stroke.
That's ok because I had my sights on F&P set anyway.
I bet the corkscrew agitator can roll the clothes like crazy with the F&P stroke.
jasonl
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I'll bet there's a "comforter" setting where it fills the tub totally with water, just like the GE Harmony.
mickeyd
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craters and canyons and boys
We're moving toward the ultimate in wash tub sizing , and that would be, of course, the ABYSS.
That little boy is us. Can't you feel it? We've come a long way, Babes: what was once forbidden is now celebrated.
We're moving toward the ultimate in wash tub sizing , and that would be, of course, the ABYSS.
That little boy is us. Can't you feel it? We've come a long way, Babes: what was once forbidden is now celebrated.
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