Senator Franken: It's Official

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Unfortunately, Coleman can still file a legal challenge, and things will get nasty.
Two or three republicans in congress were treated very badly the last eight years by the faction in charge of their party. The chances are good that they will side with the democrats to make 60 votes when needed.
This is why we will see even more nastiness than usual.
 
There is no provision in Minnesota law for a revote.

And it's funny how the same Republicans who defended the Supreme Court when they cut off the recount in Florida and appointed George W. Bush president in 2000, are now attacking our courts for doing the exact same thing in Minnesota. Actually it's not funny, it's pathetic.
 
Rune,

How can 'Franken' (whom I personally dislike and would never have cast my vote for) have 'stolen' this?

Please explain, and I mean it genuinely. Minnesota has a republican Governor and the courts are known throughout the world for their impartiality.

In fact, should Coleman (and he will) file suit in court, why, then, is it not activist judges when a republican does it but always 'theft' and 'judicial revisionism' when a democrat does it.

Again, I really am curious. You are conservative, yup, yup. But you don't strike me as being knee-jerk conservative, like dear Ms. Coulter. Am I wrong?
 
No matter what your political leanings,

it is bad when a goof like this gets elected.
 
Franken is brilliant, as anyone who's read any of his five bestselling books is aware. Three of these books reached #1 in the country.
 
Normy is going to have a press conference at 3pm Minneapolis time. I can't wait to hear what he has to say, hopefully he will take his own advice and concede. ***crosses fingers***

Norm Coleman is a disgrace as a replacement for Paul Wellstone, Al Franken will be a perfect replacement.
 
At Long Last!

I am thrilled about this, but I hope Republicans can learn from that there clearly is need for a reinvention within their party. And please, ditch the religious right!
 
It's not a Republican or Democrat thing; it's a Minnesota thing. When 25 voting districts turn in more votes than they have registered voters and the state counts them as legit, it's a state problem. When votes mysteriously appear in the trunks of officials, it's a state problem. When in typically Republican areas the overwhelming (90+ percent) votes come in as Democrat, the state has a problem. When the number of hand filled out ballots don't match the machine counts, the state has a problem. When all these irregularities surface and the state doesn't force a revote, the state has a problem. Everyone would just shut up if the state forced a revote. But I guess Minnesota wants to be just a crooked as Illinois.
 
Coleman had every chance to even the score during the recount. All the rejectged absentee ballots that both campaigns agreed could be reviewed were reviewed. Now Coleman wants to change the rules and have rejected absentee ballots reviewed that both compaigns did not agree to be reviewed.

A lot of these complaints PeterH mentions sound very familiar - similar things are alleged to have happened in Florida in 2000. And we all know what happened there. What goes around, comes around. Not that I think the Minneapolis race was anywhere near as suspect at the south Florida debacle.

BTW, Coleman today filed suit so this could drag on for months.
 
Must be time for a visit to MN....

Minnesota has always been pretty much a blue state Peter. Where was your laundry list about recounts and "crooked" practices when Your boy pulled off the last two Presidential elections? My post had to do with the fact that Al Franken didn't stand a chance of taking Norm's seat, too many things going against him. Being from out East(different styles of communication from our Eastern neighbors can be interpreted as "pushy" to us passive-aggressive Midwesteners) and history as a stand up comic practically disqualified him. (we got burned with Jesse, nobody wanted another celebrity in office) I have met Norm Coleman and actually like him but voted for Franken as the underdog. The fact that Al Franken even came remotely close to winning this race is nothing short of a HUGE cry that people are so over the republican identity which you work so hard to defend. I have voted republican at times and do not identify myself with either party. The recount process is over and Al Franken had more votes. Even MN Republican politicians are telling Norm to drop this, that justice has been served and the people of MN have spoken. I take offense to comments about MN being crooked when I KNOW that if a republican was in the lead over a democrat after a recount you would be waving your "The Political Process Works" flag.
 
Look what happened in GA. The senator has to win by 50 percent plus one vote. That didn't happen; the Democrat candidate was ahead but not by the required number. No one was crying foul. We had a revote, and Republican Chambliss won fair and square, still with no foul crying. If MN had the same rule, what is going on now wouldn't have happened.
 
PeterH770, your facts are in the same league as Ann Coulter&

Peter, you have your facts wrong. Chambliss was 3% ahead of his Democratic challenger in the November election, but with 49.8% of the vote, he was 0.2% short of winning reelection under Georgia's 50% rule for statewide contests (which few if any other states have). In the runoff, his margin grew to 15%, which is not surprising since traditionally the GOP is better at turnout than the Democrats, the exception being a high-interest, high-turnout race like we had in November.

The numbers are in this article, see for yourself:


and from the Georgia Secretary of State's office:

December 2008 runoff results:

November 2008 results:

The Democrat was NOT ahead in November, he was 3% behind Chambliss. The December runoff did not change the order of the candidates, Chambliss won both times. The difference is that in the 49 other states, Chambliss's 49.8% first place finish in November would have been enough to reelect him.

Also, the runoff was not a recount. There was no question that Chambliss beat the Democrat in the November election by a margin of 3%, it wasn't that close. The reason for the runoff was Chambliss' failure to reach 50%, which he barely missed. The recount in Minnesota was AUTOMATICALLY triggered by the margin of 215 votes separating the two candidates. Franken did not have to request a recount, it was automatic under state law.

The Georgia 50% rule favors Republicans because they are generally better at turnout out their voters than the Democrats. In 1992, GOP candidate Paul Coverdell finished second to Democratic incumbent Sen. Wyche Fowler by 30,000 votes. Fowler did not get a 50% majority and in the runoff, Coverdell beat Fowler by 20,000. In that election (1992), the runoff did change the order of the candidates and a Republican did come from behind to win, but this was not the case in 2008.

The Georgia state legislature, at that time controlled by Democrats, repealed the 50% law after the Coverdell episode. When Max Cleland was elected to Senate in 1996, he came in first but with less than 50%, but won the race because there was no longer a 50% requirement. After the GOP gained control of the state legislature, they reinstated the 50% rule. This explains why Cleland (1996) did not have to reach 50%, but Coverdell (1992) and Chambliss (2008)did require 50% and a runoff each time.


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I am hoping this works out for the best, and i am pleased to see that Franken won. I think its so important to get the votes needed to pass "a new age agenda", for all American's. alr2903
 

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