matchboxpaul
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here is possibly the only photo on the internet of the 6031 ...
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matchboxpaul
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p.s beware Servis wheels!
Before stacking or wheeling a servis machine around your floor, check the condition of its wheels.
Our 3305 Electronic 1000 de luxe and 6025 Starlight have shed their rubber tyres and now run on 8 ice skate like plastic blades.
These blades cut up lino (as per mine and rob's experience with our 6025), scratch enamel lids and leave indentations in formica lids. Grrrrrrrr.
Just wanted to let you and any other servis owners know, who might not have noticed this and get a nasty shock as they wheel their machines around and leave track marks all over the shop.
Paul
Before stacking or wheeling a servis machine around your floor, check the condition of its wheels.
Our 3305 Electronic 1000 de luxe and 6025 Starlight have shed their rubber tyres and now run on 8 ice skate like plastic blades.
These blades cut up lino (as per mine and rob's experience with our 6025), scratch enamel lids and leave indentations in formica lids. Grrrrrrrr.
Just wanted to let you and any other servis owners know, who might not have noticed this and get a nasty shock as they wheel their machines around and leave track marks all over the shop.
Paul
sesteve
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I finally managed to spend a bit of time this weekend to play around with the Quartz machines in between selling the house and finding somewhere else to live - no joy yet - so I thought I'd take advantage while I can as everything is going to have to go into storage at this rate!!
First I have to agree with both James and Paul about the 6030 having the edge on the styling front and I'm glad I found this machine after finding the brochure I posted last year showing the 6030 and 6031 and matching dryers . However, I feel a sense of responsibility to the 6035 seeing as Mike pointed out its a bit special. Anyway, I'm waffling and currently neither are working properly despite my best efforts
Too late on the wheels though Paul - I have tram lines on my hall floor so just as well I'm moving LOL
I managed to get hold of a power card and a Servis hot water valve so I set about fitting these. On power up - no display but the door solenoid and pump using cancel were working and nothing popped on the new board so some progress. I then went on to switch various parts between the two machines you can see the power card has been removed from the 6035 in the picture
First I have to agree with both James and Paul about the 6030 having the edge on the styling front and I'm glad I found this machine after finding the brochure I posted last year showing the 6030 and 6031 and matching dryers . However, I feel a sense of responsibility to the 6035 seeing as Mike pointed out its a bit special. Anyway, I'm waffling and currently neither are working properly despite my best efforts
Too late on the wheels though Paul - I have tram lines on my hall floor so just as well I'm moving LOLI managed to get hold of a power card and a Servis hot water valve so I set about fitting these. On power up - no display but the door solenoid and pump using cancel were working and nothing popped on the new board so some progress. I then went on to switch various parts between the two machines you can see the power card has been removed from the 6035 in the picture
sesteve
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This switching has revealed a few issues. Firstly, I put the new power card into the 6035. This allowed the machine to power up but the display just showed the bar to indicate the door was open even when the door was shut.
Next I put the control card from the 6030 into the 6035 with the 6035s original power card in - hope you are keeping up with this!! The display did not work but instantly the hot water valve was buzzing so I'm guessing there is something wrong with the 6030 control card that allowed its power card to get damaged from trying to operate the hot valve continuously as shown earlier with the burnt out triac - I guess the control card needs looking at.
Here are the two cards with the ICC card belonging from the 6030 - there's no obvious damage to the card.
Next I put the control card from the 6030 into the 6035 with the 6035s original power card in - hope you are keeping up with this!! The display did not work but instantly the hot water valve was buzzing so I'm guessing there is something wrong with the 6030 control card that allowed its power card to get damaged from trying to operate the hot valve continuously as shown earlier with the burnt out triac - I guess the control card needs looking at.
Here are the two cards with the ICC card belonging from the 6030 - there's no obvious damage to the card.
sesteve
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So finally I put both the power card and control card from the 6035 into the 6030. This allowed me to power up the machine and I was able to do the customary H spin programme. That went well so tried a rinse and spin A programme. The machine started to fill but as soon as the low water level on the pressure switch made, the machine went into an F6 fault indicating something is up with the heater circuit. I tried agin on programme 2 and the same thing happened. I checked the pressure bottle just to be sure and that was fine.
Paul passed me o e technical information for the 600 series which includes modifications for the 6030 but I'm not sure if there were other wiring mods between this and the 6035. I ran out of time so options seem to be that
> there is a fault with the heater/cut out but it's not showing on a multimeter and also was not tripping out the electrics
> there is a fault with the pressure switch which may have something to do with the hot water valve operating
> there has been a wiring mod between the two models which is not obvious.
any suggestions out there for this? Here's a pic of the two in bits
Paul passed me o e technical information for the 600 series which includes modifications for the 6030 but I'm not sure if there were other wiring mods between this and the 6035. I ran out of time so options seem to be that
> there is a fault with the heater/cut out but it's not showing on a multimeter and also was not tripping out the electrics
> there is a fault with the pressure switch which may have something to do with the hot water valve operating
> there has been a wiring mod between the two models which is not obvious.
any suggestions out there for this? Here's a pic of the two in bits
optima
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Servis Quartz
My guess would be a wiring modification between the 2 models. I so hope that you can get at least one up & running. Fingers crossed you can do it, sorry i can't really help. On another subject i love your high gloss tiled floor.
My guess would be a wiring modification between the 2 models. I so hope that you can get at least one up & running. Fingers crossed you can do it, sorry i can't really help. On another subject i love your high gloss tiled floor.
liberatordeluxe
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Didn't Servis do a model called 'Spectrum'?
sesteve
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Floor
I am thinking along the same lines Craig but I will try switching the pressure switch next time I get the chance to fiddle. The floor looks good but is a real bugger to keep clean even with a steam mop!! Mind you it has come in handy on the few occasions when the drain hose from various machines has slipped off the sink!
Ben - you are right there were spectrum models which I assume we're sold through specific outlets like the Laser models but I'm not sure. Perhaps one of the Servis experts (Mike and Paul) might be able to she'd some light on this
I am thinking along the same lines Craig but I will try switching the pressure switch next time I get the chance to fiddle. The floor looks good but is a real bugger to keep clean even with a steam mop!! Mind you it has come in handy on the few occasions when the drain hose from various machines has slipped off the sink!
Ben - you are right there were spectrum models which I assume we're sold through specific outlets like the Laser models but I'm not sure. Perhaps one of the Servis experts (Mike and Paul) might be able to she'd some light on this
Shed clearance
I have found a forgotten crate of Servis Quartz circuit boards etc if anyone can use any drop me a line and I will look for your part all I can recall is there are quite a few Quartz 600 PCB's
Austin
I have found a forgotten crate of Servis Quartz circuit boards etc if anyone can use any drop me a line and I will look for your part all I can recall is there are quite a few Quartz 600 PCB's
Austin
hooverzanmiele
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Quartz
Steve,
Which, in the pic above, is the left machine with the door fully open?
After the pressure vessel pipe split on the Sapphire, as Ian, Grandma's washer engineer showed me, I notice, looking at your pic above, the machine on the left looks exactly identical to the Sapphire's setup, part location wise, with the metal bar across the top from either side.
Btw, any Servis owners, what's the deal with these machines having them wretched "PITA" vents on the rear panel for? When the pressure vessel pipe'd split, it caused the Sapphire to overfill, thus ending up with water pouring out one of these said vents & causing a lovely lagoon of water over the garage floor, soaking everything in the streams path.
Also, what's with the necessity of having the inlets on the side of the back panel, instead of a simple, conventional machine like my Logic Premier?
Steve, Paul, Mike, I'm not sure if you're aware, but ZodaWash (Not to confuse Sesteve, with ZodaWash Steve), sold me his Quartz 6036G, which he posted on GumTree & Ebay, he kindly delivered it to my house, only being an hour from his place, on June 17th, so his Quartz's been rescued by a Servis enthusiast, who's now got, currently, 03 different models of Servis...
A 1982 Servis Quartz 04KG 1000RPM AutoWasher Mk600.
A 1983 Servis Quartz 04KG 1000RPM AutoWasher 6036G.
A 1989 Servis Sapphire AutoWash/Dry 04KG 1300RPM Washer Dryer 9635.
The Mk600 is ultimately destined for Aquarius8000's capable ownership, the Sapphire & Quartz 6036G will remain with me, once a reshuffle's complete, the Quartz will sit next to the Sapphire where my trusty Zanussi JetSytem WJD1667W currently resides, which's going to my Grandma, due to it being more suited to her needs than her current Ultima WD860, therefore making way for ZodaWash's Quartz.
Paul or Mike, maybe you could confirm the below thoughts/beliefs?
I noticed that, after Aquarius8000's acquisition of his Servis 3305, that the porthole is different to my Sapphire (Chris, I've borrowed one of your pics, for comparison only, hope you don't mind?), why has my Sapphire got a glass, Míele style porthole glass? Rather than the seemingly standard plastic, flat, porthole that the Mk600, Chris's 3305, & my new Quartz sport?
Was it to deflect the heat back into the drum/load? Rather than it being lost through the door glass & heat shield of the door? Don't forget, the Sapphire's a Washer Dryer, not an AutoWasher.
CJ
Steve,
Which, in the pic above, is the left machine with the door fully open?
After the pressure vessel pipe split on the Sapphire, as Ian, Grandma's washer engineer showed me, I notice, looking at your pic above, the machine on the left looks exactly identical to the Sapphire's setup, part location wise, with the metal bar across the top from either side.
Btw, any Servis owners, what's the deal with these machines having them wretched "PITA" vents on the rear panel for? When the pressure vessel pipe'd split, it caused the Sapphire to overfill, thus ending up with water pouring out one of these said vents & causing a lovely lagoon of water over the garage floor, soaking everything in the streams path.
Also, what's with the necessity of having the inlets on the side of the back panel, instead of a simple, conventional machine like my Logic Premier?
Steve, Paul, Mike, I'm not sure if you're aware, but ZodaWash (Not to confuse Sesteve, with ZodaWash Steve), sold me his Quartz 6036G, which he posted on GumTree & Ebay, he kindly delivered it to my house, only being an hour from his place, on June 17th, so his Quartz's been rescued by a Servis enthusiast, who's now got, currently, 03 different models of Servis...
A 1982 Servis Quartz 04KG 1000RPM AutoWasher Mk600.
A 1983 Servis Quartz 04KG 1000RPM AutoWasher 6036G.
A 1989 Servis Sapphire AutoWash/Dry 04KG 1300RPM Washer Dryer 9635.
The Mk600 is ultimately destined for Aquarius8000's capable ownership, the Sapphire & Quartz 6036G will remain with me, once a reshuffle's complete, the Quartz will sit next to the Sapphire where my trusty Zanussi JetSytem WJD1667W currently resides, which's going to my Grandma, due to it being more suited to her needs than her current Ultima WD860, therefore making way for ZodaWash's Quartz.
Paul or Mike, maybe you could confirm the below thoughts/beliefs?
I noticed that, after Aquarius8000's acquisition of his Servis 3305, that the porthole is different to my Sapphire (Chris, I've borrowed one of your pics, for comparison only, hope you don't mind?), why has my Sapphire got a glass, Míele style porthole glass? Rather than the seemingly standard plastic, flat, porthole that the Mk600, Chris's 3305, & my new Quartz sport?
Was it to deflect the heat back into the drum/load? Rather than it being lost through the door glass & heat shield of the door? Don't forget, the Sapphire's a Washer Dryer, not an AutoWasher.
CJ
aquarius8000
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CJ...
It has the door glass like that probably because of the dryer ducting, as mine isn't and yours is a washer dryer. I don't mind use of the pics BTW!
Chris
(Correct me if I'm wrong)
It has the door glass like that probably because of the dryer ducting, as mine isn't and yours is a washer dryer. I don't mind use of the pics BTW!
Chris
(Correct me if I'm wrong)
hooverzanmiele
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Your Assumptions
Chris, your assumptions're more than likely correct.
Tbh, I'm surprised, that with the amount of pilfering of parts from Hoover & Hotpoint, I don't know why, they didn't use the same door glass bowl as was used on the Logic Premier.
Chris, your assumptions're more than likely correct.
Tbh, I'm surprised, that with the amount of pilfering of parts from Hoover & Hotpoint, I don't know why, they didn't use the same door glass bowl as was used on the Logic Premier.
sesteve
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Update
I think I am finally getting to the bottom of the problem with the 6030. Having realised that I had only printed part of the service manual (Duh) the missing bit said that if F6 appears when the low level is reached points to an open circuit heater or short circuit heater triac.
With the help of a multi meter I have found that the thermal fuse that protects the plastic tub if the heater control goes haywire has failed. I have ordered a replacement so I have my fingers crossed that this will get the machine back up and running.
Austin - I will drop you an email tonight as I am sure that I will be able to make use of some of your stash!
I think I am finally getting to the bottom of the problem with the 6030. Having realised that I had only printed part of the service manual (Duh) the missing bit said that if F6 appears when the low level is reached points to an open circuit heater or short circuit heater triac.
With the help of a multi meter I have found that the thermal fuse that protects the plastic tub if the heater control goes haywire has failed. I have ordered a replacement so I have my fingers crossed that this will get the machine back up and running.
Austin - I will drop you an email tonight as I am sure that I will be able to make use of some of your stash!
sesteve
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Quite a simple little thing really! I have a feeling that this machine has suffered from a power surge which has popped various bits.
CJ - that one is the 6035. I have to say that both machines are pretty much identical inside - the 6035 has a metal counterweight on top and the heater protection is different but all else seems the same. The front metal strip is the cover from the pressure switch/water valves which I rested on top but there is a strap further back.
CJ - that one is the 6035. I have to say that both machines are pretty much identical inside - the 6035 has a metal counterweight on top and the heater protection is different but all else seems the same. The front metal strip is the cover from the pressure switch/water valves which I rested on top but there is a strap further back.
sesteve
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Vents
I'm not sure why these machines have 2 vents as you can see from the picture. The one on the hose from the dispenser has caused a few issues from me when I have used liquid (Method) detergent as when the water level starts to rise in the machine a substantial amount of foam came out the back and all over the floor!!
The side valve inlets were quite useful for some people especially if the machine needed to be accommodated under a shallow worktop as it meant the machine could go back to the wall as long as your plumbing was on the right side. The neighbour in our street has the 600 and the gap it was fitted in meant that the hoses had to be connected once the machine had been pushed back using the straight end as opposed to the elbow.
I'm not sure why these machines have 2 vents as you can see from the picture. The one on the hose from the dispenser has caused a few issues from me when I have used liquid (Method) detergent as when the water level starts to rise in the machine a substantial amount of foam came out the back and all over the floor!!
The side valve inlets were quite useful for some people especially if the machine needed to be accommodated under a shallow worktop as it meant the machine could go back to the wall as long as your plumbing was on the right side. The neighbour in our street has the 600 and the gap it was fitted in meant that the hoses had to be connected once the machine had been pushed back using the straight end as opposed to the elbow.
sesteve
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Shut off
CJ - Im not sure if the Sapphire would have the same interlocks but this part of the service manual suggests that the water should be shut off if there is no response from the pressure switch after a period of time. I guess this could still be long enough for water to escape.
"The power to valves is supplied via the empty contact of the high level switch. This means that the machine cannot fill above high level, barring switch failure. An electronic interlock limits the fill time from one level to the next to 3¼ minutes so that a switch failure would be detected and the power to the valves turned off."
Did yours switch off or did you have to intervene?
S
CJ - Im not sure if the Sapphire would have the same interlocks but this part of the service manual suggests that the water should be shut off if there is no response from the pressure switch after a period of time. I guess this could still be long enough for water to escape.
"The power to valves is supplied via the empty contact of the high level switch. This means that the machine cannot fill above high level, barring switch failure. An electronic interlock limits the fill time from one level to the next to 3¼ minutes so that a switch failure would be detected and the power to the valves turned off."
Did yours switch off or did you have to intervene?
S
hooverzanmiele
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Sapphire
Hi Sesteve,
When the pressure vessel pipe'd split, it filled to about 3/4 up the door glass, before I caught it, & emptied it, but it'd been spewing water for probs 05 mints before I caught it.
Usually, it only just, covers the door seal below where the door porthole sits, when the door's shut.
When I've got the quartz from ZodaWash fully plumbed in, I'll take a photo of the H2O levels of both the Sapphire & the Quartz for you to see.
Btw, if you're on FB there're pics & full details of the crew on a group I've set up on there, if you're an FB member, let me know, I'll add you as a friend & then add you to the group if you'd like.
I hope to have the Quartz 6036G connected by the following wkd from now (20, 21st/07) (I've attached a pic of the crew for you, as of the 08th/07).
CJ
Hi Sesteve,
When the pressure vessel pipe'd split, it filled to about 3/4 up the door glass, before I caught it, & emptied it, but it'd been spewing water for probs 05 mints before I caught it.
Usually, it only just, covers the door seal below where the door porthole sits, when the door's shut.
When I've got the quartz from ZodaWash fully plumbed in, I'll take a photo of the H2O levels of both the Sapphire & the Quartz for you to see.
Btw, if you're on FB there're pics & full details of the crew on a group I've set up on there, if you're an FB member, let me know, I'll add you as a friend & then add you to the group if you'd like.
I hope to have the Quartz 6036G connected by the following wkd from now (20, 21st/07) (I've attached a pic of the crew for you, as of the 08th/07).
CJ
sesteve
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Hi CJ
I am on Facebook so will send you a message. The line up looks great. I've just posted in shoppers square a Sapphire that is on eBay in great condition. I'd be tempted myself but all mine are going into storage as I'm about to move out but yet to find a new pad. Besides I think I need to concentrate on getting mine working.
I replaced the cut out and all seemed to be ok until it started flashing at F1 at the end of the cycle which means the thermistor circuit is faulty. I swapped the thermistors between the two machines but still no joy so will need to explore further at some point. Could be the wiring or the circuit board. At least I can do some washing in it but only at incoming water temperature.
I'll get there eventually - it's not going to defeat me!!
S
I am on Facebook so will send you a message. The line up looks great. I've just posted in shoppers square a Sapphire that is on eBay in great condition. I'd be tempted myself but all mine are going into storage as I'm about to move out but yet to find a new pad. Besides I think I need to concentrate on getting mine working.
I replaced the cut out and all seemed to be ok until it started flashing at F1 at the end of the cycle which means the thermistor circuit is faulty. I swapped the thermistors between the two machines but still no joy so will need to explore further at some point. Could be the wiring or the circuit board. At least I can do some washing in it but only at incoming water temperature.
I'll get there eventually - it's not going to defeat me!!
S
aquarius8000
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Hi CJ and Steve
Well, yesterday I went to Mike Clark's place and not only did I see my ALL TIME dream machine in person, and even better, running! It was a great day, here is a pic of the MK600 Quartz. It was great, the whole machine was a treat to see!
I'll post more pics of the Electron, Philips W085 and Electrons and Classica later.
Chris.
Well, yesterday I went to Mike Clark's place and not only did I see my ALL TIME dream machine in person, and even better, running! It was a great day, here is a pic of the MK600 Quartz. It was great, the whole machine was a treat to see!
I'll post more pics of the Electron, Philips W085 and Electrons and Classica later.
Chris.
hooverzanmiele
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Le Sapphire Et Quartz
Le Sapphire Et Quartz together.
Le Sapphire Et Quartz together.
