Servis W814W washing machine

[paulc]

Energy ratings

Machines energy ratings are based on the standard 60deg cotton wash and is the programme that uses the least water usually.

 

[donprohel]

Energy rating?

As far as I know washing machines (and dishwashers) are rated using a cycle specified by the manufacturer.

Usually this cycle is well hidden and no one ever uses it :-/

Am I wrong?

 

[haxisfan]

Clear as mud...

Paulc... I always thought exactly that, but I'm starting to doubt it since my latest machine uses potentially more water on the 'Cotton 60' cycle... especially when washing darks/bright coloureds. When I wash a load of whites/lights it uses less water but nowhere near the water consumption declared my the manufacturer (and still much more than my older machine).

Donprohel, if it was as you said, then they could base the machine's water consumption even on a partial cycle (rinse only, quick 15, etc) and that would just be out of order!

The only rational conclusion I can come to is that water consumption is not accounted for when assigning energy ratings. I'm saying this based on my experience with one machine only (Hoover Dynamic)... you never know, it might even be faulty

 

[paulc]

Energy efficiency of washing machines in the EU is calculated on the 60 deg cotton programme and the 40deg cotton programme. I'm not sure what cycle is used to calculate dishwasher efficiency. Here is an older article from Which? magazine.

http://www.which.co.uk/energy/saving-money/guides/energy-labels-explained/washing-machine-energy-labels/

 

[haxisfan]

@paulc

Thanks for the link. I swift-read it and there seem to be no mention of water consumption. I can well believe the new Hoover is A+++ rated... owing to a miserable 1500w heater to wash an 8kg load :-&#92

 

[paulc]

Haxisfan

The energy rating is based on how much electricity is used to wash 6kg at 40deg and 60deg as far as I can tell. I presume your washer is a large capacity machine and therefore would use more water when washing a full load. Possibly an more accurate test for water consumption would be how much water is used per KG of laundry.

 

[paulc]

Haxisfan

We appear to have crossed posts there!

 

[haxisfan]

Post crossing...

Paulc... yeah... probably you didn't expect me to get back to you so quickly... I had dinner waiting and I was starving

Aegokocarat, what is the water consumption per cycle declared my the manufacturer for this model? Maybe you shall measure it yourself and be in for a shock ;-)

 

[aegokocarat]

Right, Ive had the machine for a while now and I can form a proper opinion on it.
The machines cotton cycles aren't ridiculously long, the boil wash seems to take 2:55 minutes, the synthetic cycles are short and have high water levels and wash equally as good as the cotton cycles, the 40*c delicate/synthetic wash takes 1:44 minutes with an extra rinse. The quick wash is very good at refreshing garments and it is one of 2 quick washes that I have used that leave the load smelling good at the end. Overall I think that this machine and vestel machines in general are very good for the money.
Tom

 

[chris74]

AFAIK

They don't calculate water consumption for energy ratings... Shame on them.

 

[hoovermatic]

Cycle times are getting absurd

I was in John Lewis Outlet looking at washing machines (surprise, surprise) and in particular the John Lewis machines. As it is an outlet store the selection changes rapidly and can be very random and for the first time I saw an 8kg John Lewis model. I was gobsmacked to read that the 60 degree cycle takes 220 minutes!!!!! Is there REALLY any need??

 

[nrones]

A+++, or even more energy 'efficient' =3,5-4hours ti

All the machines with A+++ rating or above are having over 3hour long 'Standard' cycle (most of them are around 4 hours), and do 2 rinses. Also, Standard 60 is always around 40, Standard 40 is around 30...

It is ok to have that cycle, just for the sake of fancy super Green energy label, but only if there are alternatives, however, if the only cotton 60 and 40 cycles are 'standard' ones present on the machine, then it might be a problem, not just because of time, but because of temperature as well.

Dex

 

[aegokocarat]

This one is just rated A+. One thing I forgot to mention is that when the machine goes to acellerate from the slower spins to 1000(I think) and above, you will see the machine bop along the lower rpms, shift up a little and then you will hear it CLICK into the higher speeds.
Tom

 

[hoovermatic]

Hi Dejan

I just can't imagine waiting that long for a load of washing to be completed. I realise that I can go and do other things whilst it's in progress but if that is what it takes to get A+++ then I'm afraid you can count me out. I have just bought an old Servis Starlight and the cycle times are a fraction of that for a 60 wash and so far the results have been faultless. Yes it uses more water and it isn't as energy efficient but when I want the washing done so I can hang it outside and get on with other things then I don't want 3-4 hour programmes!

 

[nrones]

Hi Paul,

Just as you, I think no one can imagine their washer washing for 4 hours to get the load done, that's why I mentioned the alternatives - I don't have anything against those 'Standard' Cycles existing on the machine, but there must be some alternatives for them on every machine (eg.cotton quick, cotton intensive) that would still enable everyone to have a wash with normal cycle times and rinses and temperatures.

If the machine only offers 'standard' cycles as only Cotton cycles available on the machine, than hands are pretty tight about that... Although I must admit I haven't seen such programmed machine so far (thank god), and I hope no one will make it

Dex