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I'm so sick and tired of the flaky ass pathetic excuses for gay men in this town. So stuck up and shallow you'd think they live in Hollywood or Beverly Hills where you would have a right to be that way. HELLO queers you're in FRESNO. I can't wait til their looks go to shit and get turned down by the 20 year old version of themselves 10 years from now. Is it like this in other towns, cities, and states too?
 
Try Palm Springs, San Francisco, San Diego or even Sacramento. Heck, even SLO (college town, if you like young Hot Gay Nerdy types) is crawling with friendly family.
 
Get out of the bars!

If the only place you meet other men is in the bars, there's a whole world out there. There's other things to do besides S&M (Stand and Model!)

Try volunteering, and it does not necessarily have to be at a gay organisation, but if that cranks your tractor, fine.

Most large cities have Volunteer Centres, which is sort of an employment agency for unpaid work. Sometimes volunteering can lead into being hired, but the stuff itself can be so interesting. Several gay men I know are tour guides/docents at local house museums, for example.

An aquaintance of mine participates in a gay bowling league.

I'm active in my church and in a 12 Step recovery programme.

I have (in the past) volunteered at a home for severely and multiply handicapped children, have volunteered at an AIDS service agency/food bank for the clients.....

Good luck, and happy exploring.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
Thanks Lawrence. I actually don't go to the bars at all. Tired of all the drama. But I'll look into volunteering like you mentioned, or finding some kind of gay support group or bowling team. I used to bowl all the time, maybe I should get back into it. Thanks Sweety xoxoxo
 
I know

how frustrating and discouraging it can be to meet people.

Sex is easy, making friends and finding someone you can love - and who loves you in return - is very hard.

The advice here has been golden. A few things I've learned over the centuries:

forget the bars and meat racks
forget the internet dating sites

volunteer work draws people who are capable of giving
volunteers are, as a group, friendly, tolerant and know gay people they like (brothers, sisters and close friends)

groups which do things are much more interesting than self-help groups (not to knock self-help groups)

Who says you can't found your own little circle or group? Thanks to Craig's list and other resources, it's possible to start:

a reading group
a pot-luck dinner group
a 1950's card playing group
a vintage washing machine group
a walks-in-the-countryside-group
a gays-with-dawgs group (canis familiaris, duh)

The main thing is, it has to be real - it can't just be about finding your "one, true love" and forget the rest.

We just went through eight horrible, represive, brutally oppressed years when many gays past their first youth felt they had to withdraw from gay social life. Things will get better over the coming months and years.

Goodness, if I were back in California, I'd join an action group which is forming now to get gay marriage back. There you are definitely going to find some interesting people.

Or, if you are religiously inclined, California has lots of religious groups, of all flavors.

And yes, if all else fails, Sacramento is (in the opposite sense) to California what Boulder is to Colorado. Move somewhere like California - San Francisco is awfully expensive, but the entire Bay area is kinda neat. And Oakland has an undeservedly dreadful reputation. It doesn't always have to be Snob Hill and the Marina...
 
Sex is easy?

I must be doing it wrong! I have a hell of a time getting laid! But, I am also shy about sex. Which is probably a good thing. I love it but it CAN kill. I just wish I could find a great guy who loves and appreciates me. I have much to give, and am not that bad looking either.
 
I knew,

the moment I wrote that, somebody would take it that way :-)))

Relative to finding somebody who actually cares about you and wants to build a friendship with you, finding somebody who wants to build a friendship with you and ground a family with you (a lifelong partnership, commitment, marriage) then yes, sex is very easy to get.

I'm going to crawl out on a limb here, but what the heck:

Most guys are useless for love relationships (love means: Sticking together with him even when his parents are monsters, your parents are threatening to disown you, your community throws pink paint on your car, your company promotes incompetents over you and the nice Christian couple down the street calls the cops on you every week to report "pedophiles" in their neighborhood.)

This is the same whether we are talking about 18 year olds, 25 year olds, 30 year olds, 40 year olds or 60 year olds.

Most guys are just plain mama's boys who have decided that their real love relationship is to mommy and gay relationships are just passing encounters, bound to end sooner rather than later.

But all men (even straight men) enjoy sex. You can find a guy who wants to have sex with you far more easily than you can find a guy who is willing to actually risk his heart by investing time in building a true friendship with you. Why do you think most of us count women as our closest friends?

I do think there are men out there who are interested in the real thing, I have finally found a wonderful man.

But the ratio is something like four to one (and no, I am not arguing that only those of us who are monogamous count, let's put that one to rest right away.)

I've got no answers except to say that the odds of finding a man who's worth it are much higher at a volunteer's group than they are in some gay bar or queenly group full of spiteful bitches.

Look at the difference between AW.org and some other gay groups on the internet. The focus here is not predominately gay, it is on sharing a common interest and mutual help and support with our vintage loves. How often have people here helped us with Slant-Fronts? How much good advice have I got on dealing with a Tragi-Matic® (and she's PANK!)?

Being in a real relationship means sex. Yup. It does. But it primarily means friendship and support.
Standing by him even when you and the dawg thinks he's one brick shy of a load on this one.
Putting up with Christmas with his red-nex relations even when it means every animal in the house is trying to hide behind him.
Not taking cheap shots when the Cadillac sets her radio and temperature for you, ignores him, and dies on the road dead when he tries to argue with her about the seat height she keeps resetting to your preference...

Gawd, I hope that makes it clear. I'm past 50 and that means two things: One, I grew up pre-aids but post sexual revolution. In my "day" even straight guys were willing to give it a fling, and on my college campus, they did. A lot. And boy, those straight boys did put out. Aids killed all that.
Second, an awful lot of gay men are just as emotionally immature as are straight men: They may be 45, but they want a boy who's 25. You get past 35 and lots of men literally won't give you the time of day. You become invisible.

The solution: Find those men who understand that doing business with an established firm has lots of advantages.

Enough rambling. Stop focusing on sex first, and look for real friends. Invest in friendships. Oh, and if you are in one of those horrid places where everyone over 35 is invisible, ground a gray, gay and great group! The same thing applies to men and to women: they don't yell--they don't tell---they don't swell--and they are grateful as h -e - double hockey sticks.

Well, at least we can skip the pregnant part. But you know what I mean.
 
I agree with you Panthera, to an extent, sex can be easy to get, if you're willing to have it to someone you're not sexually attracted to lol. I get those offers all the time. I mean I know it's not forever, but if I'm gonna have a roll in the hay with someone, I have to be physically attracted to him. So I also agree with Whitekingd, sex with someone you just wanna rip their clothes off and have a hot and nasty one with, is hard. I don't go to the bars anymore and haven't for years. Too much drama and stuck up bitches out there. At the moment I can't afford to move anywhere, otherwise I'd move to San Diego where the people there are so laid back and friendly. The only site I frequent is Adam4Adam and I have made like 3 good friends on there. And so many potential dates. What usually happens is I'll meet them once, they tell me how attractive I am and how much they want to get to know me better. Then I don't hear from them, and when I finally do contact them, they'd rather be just friends and are no longer interested. What I don't get is what could have happened in that period of time to lose interest, when they were at one time, totally into me. THAT'S what pisses me off. There is a group here that rally's against prop 8. And I have seriously thought of joining, but I"m too outspoken, and very protective of myself. I can see something getting out of hand and me getting in a fight with someone. Plus there are a few bitches out there that I cannot stand who cannot stand me and I know something would break out. I'm going to check into volunteer work around here for the weekends or something. I don't have the resources to start something on my own or I would. I'm just so sick and tired of getting treated like this by people. Some say I'm too nice. Some say I'm too mean. This is why I am such a bitch most of the time cause I'm just fed up with shallow, self absorbed assholes that roam this town. People always ask me why I'm such a bitch, then I sit them down for a couple of hours and tell them, then they understand. My friends also wonder why I'm still single, so I tell them the same stories, then they understand. People tell me I have a great personality, and am a very caring person, which I am. I also get told I'm very attractive, which I feel i am. But I guess since I didn't just walk off of a GQ cover shoot, I'm not worth taking the time to get to know. THAT'S why I'm sick and tired.
 
Trust me I'm not looking for just sex, and even trying to make new friends here is a challenge. Even just to be someone's friend you have to meet certain physical requirements, and I"m like ok, what should it matter if you just want to make new friends. To me it shouldn't.
 
I get you,

especially about the bitches.

You just have to outlast them. They're a small group, but boy are they loud and whiny.

It's just part of being gay. I suppose, if we all drew up a roster and be willing to volunteer to shag them regularly, they'd be a lot more pleasant...

But all things considered, you just have to keep reciting to yourself: This, too, shall pass.

And, eventually it does. You may be the flavor of the month to attack (trust me, I know) but eventually, they go overboard and pick on someone else and everybody finally figures out, whoa - this lady is a member of the see you next Tuesday crowd.

I've got firm opinions too - I've spent the last quarter century in a free country where gays have human status and it is enormously difficult for me to get used to living again in a country where just walking hand in hand with your lover can get you beat up. Still, if we don't stand up for ourselves, the christianists will get their way and torture and murder us...1500 gays and transgender are beaten severely, raped or murdered in the US every year. Standing up to the "yes on prop. 8" crowd really is self-preservation. And so what if you get into a hefty argument with some of the blue-rinsed bitches? Be the closest thing to passion they've experienced in decades if not longer.

For too long, we've let the drama queens dictate what being gay is all about. Screw that.
 
Panthera..you're right...

I hate when media projects what all gays are like...and when interviewed they find the biggest FLAMER out there...and this person is supposed to represent US...not all gays are limp wristed, screaming queens, many of us are normal people who have relatonships with normal people, and by normal, I mean you wouldn't know most of us are gay unless you asked...and then theres the ones you can see a mile down the block heading your way...most of the gays who see this claim its a disgrace to who we are!...and I agree...the scary part is, they may get actual rights like everyone else and then go overboard with it, I have to wonder is this what were really fighting for, be yourself, but remember not everyone is into this type of behavior, and to some, it offends....

as for finding relationships....don't try so hard looking...it will find you when your not looking...thats what happened to me...got tired of the bar scenes and dating that just wanted to get you in bed and then wants to be friends....I put my foot down and said to hell with it, and 2 weeks later we met, by accident, or aquaintance, since I knew how to fix appliances was asked by a friend to help fix an airconditioner of a guy who got stung 9 times by bees and passed out(he was trying to get the water to drain out of the AC and drilled into a beehive) I went to help, spent all night chatting, and friendship carried into a relationship for 19 years now!

It will happen...when your not looking for it!
 
Vern,

Several years ago I was in your exact position in regards to this. I was really wanting to find someone to begin settling down with. I dated one guy for several months and that was just a tragedy. I was never so happy to be single after that one. But I still wanted more. It wasn't really sex that I wanted (although it never left my list of wants), but rather someone to do little things with so I didn't have to do everything alone (dinners, movies, roadtrips, etc.)

I tried meeting guys online (not sex sites, but dating sites), met a nice guy there but turned out to be a real jerk after a few weeks. Met another guy through friends who turned out to be just as big of a jerk because he apparently was sleeping with all kinds of guys from websites.

Anyways, long story short, I wasn't getting anywhere with anyone. It was all about sex and casual relationships with every guy it seemed. I decided I wasn't going to try again for a while so I made a strange, but decent circle of friends at this local hangout. I met up with them every Sunday at a bar, had my iced tea, and watched the drag show, and mingled. It was actually quite fun. No pressure, no dating, just hang and laugh.

THAT is when it happened! One of those nights I spotted one of the most gorgeous guys ever and he saw me. We began spending time together, had dinners, movies, all those things no one else would take the time to do with me. It was attraction without diving into sex quickly. It was literally dating. 4 1/2 years later I'm still thankful that Tony found me even though I wasn't searching.

It always seems to happen when you aren't trying or least expect it. You're down right now but I really think that means your prince charming is just around the corner. Hang in there because you'll meet him soon!

Jon
 

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