So who's seen these before? A solid tub machine with an infinite water pressure switch??
Simplicity solid tub washer
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I only ever saw one of these Shur Fil models before, that was in 1978.
I only ever saw one of these Shur Fil models before, that was in 1978.
for Bob
I know you want a close up of the timer ;-)
I know you want a close up of the timer ;-)
Fascinating! I can't wait to see how it works! 
Hello Eddy! My 1967 Frigidaire Imperial had an infinite water level switch. It is done via a metering chamber. A small hose carries a percentage of the fill water straight from the fill flume down to a small container with a pressure switch. With the Frigidaire, the trade off was that the pump could not operate during the "lint away" overflow periods because if the pump were to come on, it would drain the metering chamber. This meant that unlike time fill Frigidaires that did not shut off the water during the rinse period, the 1967 Imperial filled for rinse, shut off the fill water and began agitating. A couple of timer clicks into the rinse, the fill water would start flowing again. but it was no where near as much of an overflow rinse as in time fill machines. Once I tried to reset the timer to repeat the overflow portion of the rinse and wound up filling the outer tub to the point that when it went to drain, the tub was dragging in the overflow water even before the water in the tub was spun out to the outer tub. So Not Good.
Some Norges used a metering basin also. I remember reading the Troubleshooting section in the owner's manual for one. Under "Machine will not fill" was the suggestion that the collector basin might still contain water from an incomplete or shortened spin. The solution was to set the timer for a final spin to let the water be pumped out so that the pressure switch would reset.
Some Norges used a metering basin also. I remember reading the Troubleshooting section in the owner's manual for one. Under "Machine will not fill" was the suggestion that the collector basin might still contain water from an incomplete or shortened spin. The solution was to set the timer for a final spin to let the water be pumped out so that the pressure switch would reset.
I bet it is a reversing motor model...
It's a reversing motor
You're right Peter. And Tom this one has a metering chamber at the back, separate from the outer tub. Unlike your Frigidaire, this model can keep the pump on during the agitation to do an overflow as the water in the chamber is isolated. At the pause before spin, a solenoid comes on that raises the plug and empties the chamber out into the drain tub. The other very cool feature is the bleach pump which has it's own little motor and injects the bleach via a fill at the 4 minute mark of the Normal cycle.
You're right Peter. And Tom this one has a metering chamber at the back, separate from the outer tub. Unlike your Frigidaire, this model can keep the pump on during the agitation to do an overflow as the water in the chamber is isolated. At the pause before spin, a solenoid comes on that raises the plug and empties the chamber out into the drain tub. The other very cool feature is the bleach pump which has it's own little motor and injects the bleach via a fill at the 4 minute mark of the Normal cycle.
Very nice, Eddy! I love that panel style - so very 70's. I wonder if this Simplicity had any connection to the vacuum cleaner company? Were there any other appliances with the Simplicity name on them there?
The very first Speed Queen solid tub washer I found was one of their last solid-tub but TOL. It had this metered fill system, I loved how during the emptying of the meter-tank, you could hear the water tinkle into the outer tub before it started to spin. The bleach-pump on mine was completely corroded away and had to be put out of it's misery when I found the machine.
The very first Speed Queen solid tub washer I found was one of their last solid-tub but TOL. It had this metered fill system, I loved how during the emptying of the meter-tank, you could hear the water tinkle into the outer tub before it started to spin. The bleach-pump on mine was completely corroded away and had to be put out of it's misery when I found the machine.
Wow I didn't even know Speed Queen had tinkered with a solid-tub variable water level system at the end of its the solid-tub era.
Very fun find Eddy! It looks like its in beautiful shape.
Very fun find Eddy! It looks like its in beautiful shape.
Nice find Eddy
Nice find Eddy!
Movi9ng day has come!
Cheers
Leon
Nice find Eddy!
Movi9ng day has come!
Cheers
Leon
What is the difference in cycles between Regular Det. (detergent) and Regular Soap?
Would that be a warm water rinse for the soap?
For Bob
Eddy thanks for your thoughtfulness and is greatly appreciated. You always do that for me!!
Such a fine, feature-laden sexy machine. Wasn't there another variable water level solid-tub SQ machine in the late 1950s--don't you have one in your collection?
On this machine, is there a cycle button description chart on the underside of the lid? [this post was last edited: 8/18/2010-23:45]
Eddy thanks for your thoughtfulness and is greatly appreciated. You always do that for me!!
Such a fine, feature-laden sexy machine. Wasn't there another variable water level solid-tub SQ machine in the late 1950s--don't you have one in your collection?
On this machine, is there a cycle button description chart on the underside of the lid? [this post was last edited: 8/18/2010-23:45]
What a pretty machine, I love those stainless tubs. That is a very neat control panel.
My Beam designed Solid tub Simpson Fluid drive also has a fully variable fill, but it does it by filling the outer tub with water where it is measured by a pressure switch.
When it is full the two suds valves align themselves to redirect water into the wash tub rather than the drain hoses, the motor starts and it pumps the water into the tub.
When the weight switch on the tub detects enough weight in the tub, the wash then starts.
That is a great looking machine
My Beam designed Solid tub Simpson Fluid drive also has a fully variable fill, but it does it by filling the outer tub with water where it is measured by a pressure switch.
When it is full the two suds valves align themselves to redirect water into the wash tub rather than the drain hoses, the motor starts and it pumps the water into the tub.
When the weight switch on the tub detects enough weight in the tub, the wash then starts.
That is a great looking machine
Bob is right...I have a repair manual for SQ which covers several models, their one idea of a meter fill was using the drain hose as a water tower for the pressure switch....
I'll have to scan it in for you guys to see
I'll have to scan it in for you guys to see
Toggles, ding ding!
Steve is right, the regular soap gets a warm rinse, the regular detergent gets a hot wash cold rinse. Here are the instructions on the lid, the bottom part which I omitted is in French.
Greg, I've noticed Simplicity dishwashers, vacuums and I even saw a sewing machine once. Dishwashers were D&R. Never saw a fridge or stove though. Thankfully the bleach dispenser on mine works, but man is it loud.
Steve is right, the regular soap gets a warm rinse, the regular detergent gets a hot wash cold rinse. Here are the instructions on the lid, the bottom part which I omitted is in French.
Greg, I've noticed Simplicity dishwashers, vacuums and I even saw a sewing machine once. Dishwashers were D&R. Never saw a fridge or stove though. Thankfully the bleach dispenser on mine works, but man is it loud.
Oh, one more for you Bob
My pleasure! This is the other side, close up.
My pleasure! This is the other side, close up.
Thank you very much Eddy. I do have a question. Was this considered the TOL for this Simplicity product line? If it was, I'm a little disappointed in the fact it only had brisk/fast and gentle/slow speed combinations, not a brisk/slow or gentle/fast set of speed combinations too. TOL SQs had the 4-speed combinations.
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