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Jamie L,

I always wondered why I-696 just wasn't built along the Ten Mile road route. It jogs up to 11 Mile rd. before Southfield road and again on the east side at Ryan rd.
The interchange bridge over I-75 was built in the early 70's.
I thought maybe it had more to do with the Telegraph/Northwestern hwy./Lodge/696 mixing bowl.
Maybe DaveMkrayoguy will know more. He lives in Oak Park. I do remember the neighborhoods trying to stop it.
The Detroit area Jewish enclave was originally in the Pingree st. area that was burned by the '67 riot, and LaSalle Gardens. Of course they had moved on long before that up to Sherwwood Forest near Fashion Avenenue area 7 Mile & Livernois, then to Oak Park, Huntington Woods, Southfield, the West Bloomfield.
Maybe some even lived in Rosedale Park.
I knew one man who told me they were not allowed to live in Grosse Pointe way back when.
 
For several years I lived within an Eruv. IIRC, it also allows the use of keys & locks on the Sabbath. I've heard it's been interpreted as allowing the use of cars for the sole purpose of bringing a person who cannot walk the distance from home to Temple, provided the entire route is within the Eruv. I believe use of keys/locks, strollers, and cars can be constituted as "work" which is not allowed on the Sabbath.

I learned a lot of this from a Sephardic Orthodox co-worker who grew up in Morocco. Her husband is Ashkenazi. While the 'rules' of what is or isn't allowed under various circumstances are similar, the interpretations can apparently be quite different. My co-worker was frequently astonished at how many of her husband's family/community seemed more concerned with following the letter of the law than adhering to whatever philosophy/point/reasoning was behind it. I recall one story of when she was travelling alone with her young children when weather left them stuck at an airport. She had to feed her kids. She went to the one available restaurant, found out that the butter was OU, and ordered boiled/broiled fruits and vegetables for herself and her children. Her husband's family was scandalized by her behaviour.

In my co-workers defense, she frequently reminded me that her stories applied to her husband's family/community and should not be used to generalize.

I guess my point is to add some anecdotal information and to re-inforce Tom's point of "2 Jews, 3 opinions".

Jim
 
I do not refrain from using electricity on Shabbat, but I don't undertake large amounts of work either using electrical appliances or requiring tools. I read, listen to music, watch TV and use the computer at various points in the day. I drive to synagogue. There are some very Orthodox who eschew all use of everything mechanical that involves starting or stopping any device that causes the technical "spark" or "arc" involved in making electrical contact because that involves making light. Ovens can be left on to keep food warm if they were turned on before Shabbat started. When electronic oven controls were introduced, they shut off automatically after a certain number of hours so the "Sabbath mode" was added to ovens permitting them to operate for the 25 hours of Shabbat. In Israel and in kosher resorts elsewhere, on Shabbat the elevators stop at each floor so no one has to push a button and make electrical contact to select a floor or call for an elevator.  To the really Shomer Shabbat (those who really keep the Sabbath) there are many acts prohibited on Shabbat because they are related to the work God performed in creating the world. If you want to get right down to it, talking should be prohibited on those grounds also since everything God did is introduced by the phrase, "God said."  Genesis 1:3, "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." But in the next verse, God divided the light from the darkness. This is an act of separation in the work of creation and is the reason for gefilte fish. Gefilte fish is prepared by separating the flesh of the fish from the bones before combining it with chopped onions, eggs and seasonings to form the quenelles before they are poached. That allows us to eat fish (and horseradish) on Shabbat without separating the flesh from the bones of the fish since you can't eat the bones except from canned salmon so, if the can of salmon is labeled kosher, you could eat salmon loaf or patties on Shabbat.  Fish fillets can also be eaten on Shabbat because there are no bones in them, we hope. To me Shabbat is a day of delight and rest that is anticipated all through the week. My soul or spirit is refreshed by the worship service, the discussion over questions and topics introduced by the Rabbi, the fellowship with friends over food after the service and the rest, a time for me with no deadlines or schedule. Shabbat is, according to Rabbi Jacob Rader Marcus,  a cathedral of sanctified, separated time within time, when we take time to enjoy and be grateful for what is ours, and do not seek to create or purchase additional material goods. It is a special gift set apart from the rest of the week. This separation is sanctified and comes from the creation story in Genesis. God rested from the work of creation on the seventh day and was refreshed. God blessed the rest and gave Shabbat as a gift to us.

 

When the Mishkan or tabernacle was built in the desert, its furnishings were inscribed with the term Kadosh L'Adonai, Holy unto God. You can see the words in Hebrew in the Tiffany Studio's window depicting the building of the Tabernacle in the desert at the Chapel on Jekyll Island, ironic since it was a restricted private club. The Mishkan was a place where God and the people of Israel might draw close to one another. This holiness extends to other places and our homes are considered mikdashim, holy dwellings because of the commandment "You shall be holy for I the lord your God am holy." So we strive to make our lives and homes holy. Because our homes are holy and the meal table is an altar where sustenance is blessed before being consumed, we do not bring things into the home that would harm or defile the holiness which is one of the reasons for looking for kosher-certified products. It is not that they have been blessed, but that there is something beyond purity and ethically proper preparation in them. Kosher slaughter with one swift severing of the jugular vein is supposed to painlessly render the animal unconscious very quickly. There can be no imperfections in the knife edge that would cause the animal pain if the rough place caught on the animal's flesh.  There is even a prohibition from these ancient times against eating the limb of a living animal. Before refrigeration or preservation techniques, people used to chop off an animal's leg or as much of it as was needed to eat and let the animal stay alive since while it was alive, the meat would not go bad. Kosher products are not contaminated or adulterated by other things. If you will remember from chemistry class, there are purity ratings for certain chemicals: pharmaceutically pure and chemically pure. In the chemistry lab, chemicals have to be chemically pure to avoid messing up chemical experiments, altering reactions or causing other undesired results. The slight impurities tolerated in a pharmaceutical compound will not affect the patient or outcome. The kosher food grade rating is similar this. It is certified to not contain other ingredients which would not be necessarily harmful anyplace else, but would not be good if they come in contact with anything food-related. When CocaCola was made kosher, for example, the source of glycerin in the formula had to be changed because it originally was a pork byproduct.

 

I know you can see the dichotomy of my using food-grade STPP for a mouth rinse and non-food grade STPP in the laundry. I do not know if the STPP from China sold by the Chemistry Store is kosher or not nor its degree of purity because the only kosher STPP is food grade. My father alav hashalom, is not here to tell me what goes into getting a hechsher or kosher certification for cleaning and sanitation products or the ingredients in them, but I remember him telling me about one of the companies with which he worked getting kosher certification so that they could market to kosher establishments. 

 

To correct something written above about kosher and pareve. Pareve means dietarily neutral, neither meat nor dairy. Salt, vegetables, fruits, most vegetable oils and flours and eggs are pareve. Depending on any additives added in production of the processed product, these can be kosher or not and pareve products can be combined and eaten with either meat or dairy items in meat or dairy preparations. The same flour that makes a dairy cake can also make meat gravy.  You can't put butter with the meat, but separately, either a meat or dairy food can use a pareve product. Beans are kosher. Pork and beans are not. Heinz vegetarian baked beans in tomato sauce was the first commercially prepared food product mass-marketed in this country. Even though eggs are sold in the "dairy" section of grocery stores, it is more because of the grouping of refrigerated cases, not that they are dairy. As a friend once said, eggs come out of a chicken's ass, not out of a cow's udder.
 
refrigerators & Shabbat

I wrote earlier about an apartment building owned by a community of diamond cutters in New York. In the late 50s-early 60s, they replaced all of the refrigerators with TOL Westinghouse, I think, models that proved to be a disaster because the residents were in the habit of unplugging the refrigerators before the start of Shabbat. Horror or horrors, these boxes had electric door openers! The were all replaced within a week with a model one step down without the electric door opener.

 

Lights in refrigerators and ovens were unscrewed before the start of Shabbat so that they would not come on when the door was opened for those who left both plugged in.
 
For myself I guess the inquisitiveness is because growing up here I never knew anyone Jewish that I knew of and I never even knew there was a Synagogue her in town until a couple of years ago, after we moved back here from my 30 some year absence.

I can remember though when I got my first job as an usher at the theatre downtown and the box office lady whom I really didn't care for because of her how do I say this politely without offending anyone, her arrogant British speak. I guess I can say it because both my parents are from the UK but were never that way.

Anyways one evening Mr & Mrs Friedman iirc their name, they owned a downtown store, came in to the show and bitter Dorothy the box office hag made some cryptic comment about him afterwards. It was like, what? I'd never heard anything like that before and it never would have occurred to me or even entered my mind that they were Jewish. Not that I cared then or now what religion a person practices.

We certainly weren't brought up that way. Dad wasn't religious, mom was brought up Anglican in the UK and when we were really young put us in Presbyterian Sunday School but not for long after my older sister realized they were home in bed.. lol.. I asked mom why she enrolled us in Sunday school back then and she said only because she wanted us to have the experience,, none of us kids are baptized,,she also left that up to us to decide later. She quit going because she said all they were interested in was who had what,how to get money for a new church stove etc. etc.nothing much about helping others etc. Mom and dad later went on to become early members of the Port Huron and Sarnia Unitarians.
 
My oven has

a sabath mode. When set, only the oven light works. No cooking from sun up till sun down on Saturday for the orthodox and most conservatives. Reformed, not so much.
I had the opportunity to visit a reformed temple with a friend in Florida for Passover. We had to buy tickets, but I felt very welcome.
You know how they say we all have one that got away? He was it. He unfortunately left us in 2004. Just a sweet kind very handsome person.
I still get that ding when I look at his photo.
He suffered with a bi-polar disorder. We both met other people, but the feeling was very mutual. I had just broken up with me ex of 11 years when we met on vacation down there in '93. Maybe I was just a big chicken. Maybe I could have given him more reason to want to stay around. I'll never know now, not in this life.
He died in Schenectady. Rest in peace Scott.
 
No seder meal Rich.

That I'd remember. We ate at his parents after the service. Beef brisket, tsimis, onion soup, krepla, and noodle kugel.
Our catholic church growing up used to have a seder meal on holy Thursday. Just herbs and wafers. Fennel, dill, and unlevaned crackers and bread.
 
Delicious menu, but

That was not a Passover meal. Kreplach and noodle kugel are chometz and are not foods for Pesach.  Did the onion soup have toast and cheese (au gratin) in it? If so, they just didn't keep kosher or serve traditional Passover foods so what the hell, maybe it was Passover. If you needed a ticket to get into a service, it was the High Holidays and given the meal, it was probably Rosh Hashana. Nobody would take a friend they wanted to keep to a Yom Kippur service and the food was waaay to heavy to break the fast.

 

The main Passover meal is the Seder, which is usually done at home so even on Shabbat there is no evening service at the synagogue, but there are congregational Seders, and the festival service is the morning after the Seder so I am having trouble understanding the meal, the service and the ticket.

 

All of this is small potatoes compared to the loss of your friend. I'm sorry your friend is gone.
 
Thank You Tom!

He is with the angels now. When we met I asked if they were Conservative or Reform. "Very Reformed" he told me.
They were not very religious, but among the nicest people I have ever known. They were his adoptive parents. His birth certificate said "baby Friedman". They lived in Valley Stream NY before Florida. His brother lived in Schenectady.
When I was there it was March.
If you can picture Montgomery Clift and Erol Flynn together as one very affectionate man, you can get why I was very smitten. We were both in retail.
He loved Judy Garland and Liza. We would watch show after show when I visited. The movie of the play "Nine" or 9&1/2 also.
 

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