Soon to be very COOL KitchenAid KD-12 Dishwasher

[mickeyd]

082&083 spooky, ethereal, water ghosts--FABULOUS

How in washer-gods name can you make a machine pump that had no pump, no pulley, no terminals--nada? Your gifts make me pull on my nipples, my head loll back and forth, and my eyeballs spin around in my head!!!!!!;'D;'D;'D

 

[7080swashertalk]

RONALD MC- mickyd

"Your gifts make me pull on my nipples, my head loll back and forth, and my eyeballs spin around in my head"

I would like to see that sometime.
Perhaps a you-tube vid?
... or something kinky, on x-tube.

 

[gansky1]

Just too cool! You'll have to pull the wash arm out of your 14 to see if there's any difference in the corners. These are such good dishwashers, it's amazing what they can do in mere minutes!

 

[toploader55]

Hey Robert,

What is the exact Cycle time on that machine ?
I have the Owner's Book out for my KD2-P and it says the total cycle time is 43 Minutes. 1.5 min Warm up, 1.5 min. Fill, 7 min. Wash ,1 min.Drain,1.5 min Fill, 2 min "Power Rinse", 1 min. Drain, 1.5 min Fill, 1 min. "Final Power Rinse" (I love the "Power" because it is) 1 min Drain, and "Sanitized Hot Air Drying" 24 min. (1,000 watts of course)

 

[Unimatic1140]

Eddie I believe my cycle is exactly the same.

Greg that is a cool video, BUT my wash arm spins at at least double the rate of the one shown there, according to the manual its suppose to go 100rpm and mine goes at least that. I wonder if that machine is a 14 and the rate is slower, or if there isn't enough water in there????? (but that would be dishonest lol)

 

[Unimatic1140]

Keep Pullin' Missy

How in washer-gods name can you make a machine pump that had no pump, no pulley, no terminals--nada?

How could I have missed that comment in my post above lol. I simply wired it in series with the motor, so whenever the dishwasher pump motor is running my drain pump runs as well. Water doesn't drain out during the wash and rinse because the drain solenoid is closed.

 

[toploader55]

If you have...

The "tuned ear", You can recognize the RPM sounds. I know my Kenwhirl,Kds 18, Mobile Maid, all my washers , and DishMachines. I bet that Wash Arm does do 100 RPM. The KDP moves a little when it starts, but I think the centrifugal force of that cast iron spinning, evens out the rocking motion of the portable. And I really think and to me the Cast Iron Wash Arms are truely quiet.

 

[magic clean]

Maybe, maybe not......

Robert said:

"whenever the dishwasher pump motor is running my drain pump runs"

Robert, there maybe an available terminal on the timer for the drain pump, that your machine was not originally equipped with. Wouldn't that be nice?

 

[Unimatic1140]

Robert, there maybe an available terminal on the timer for the drain pump, that your machine was not originally equipped with. Wouldn't that be nice?

Hi Leslie, nope there is not. The timer had two issues with it, the first increment of wash wasn't working and the first increment of the 1st rinse wasn't working. So I took the entire thing apart and gave it a complete overhaul. There was no extra terminal, besides the drain pump in this machine was connected to the main motor from below and didn't use an separate electric pump. At least that is the way my KDS-14 is.

 

[stevet]

Sorry, Lads... but no!

No special connections on the timer for a drain pump. These units were built with motors which accomodated a drain pump that was bolted to the botton of the motor housing and engaged a pin driven thru the rotor shaft below the ball bearing.

Ed(Toploader) should have some pictures he can add here to show the drain pump assy.
One picture is worth a thousand words. Good suggestion to have a connection there but it just never was done.

Most machines used some solenoid setup like these did to hold the water in the tank or a drain solenoid like the later models with the water driven out of the machines by means of a drain impeller.

I dont think they ever had a drain pump of any kind on the original machines as that had a horizontal motor and a lift up drain standpipe which allowed the water to drain when the solenoid energized.
Ed, that pump resembled the SM 6 pump setup which I amsure you are familiar with but still used the big blue washarm found in later models.
If anyone has any info to the contrary on this I would love to see it.

 

[sudsmaster]

Very Nice, Robert

I vote for putting a vintage B&W TV bezel on the door.

 

[sudsmaster]

I'm also thinking it might be time to get some thick polycarb sheet and make that into a lid for the KD-2P. The Handle assembly could be tricky, though.

 

[Brent-Aucoin]

Robert,
Thanks again for the pictures!
The second picture of the water shots is my favorite! You can just see the power of this machine!
Fun!
Brent

 

[toploader55]

KitchenAid Pump Assy

Here are a few shots of the KitchenAid Original Pump Drain.This is a shot before I put in the New Cast Iron Drain Valve The pump constantly runs off the Wash Motor

 

[toploader55]

The Pump Unit

This is the Assembled Unit Before Repair

 

[toploader55]

The Trap , Drain, and Pump

3 pieces

 

[toploader55]

Pretty Basic

The solenoid is Energized while Filling, Washing and Rinsing. When the Drain Portion of the cycle arrives the Solenoid Opens and the water goes into the "Trap". and the pump takes it from there.

 

[volvoguy87]

I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!

As soon as I am able, I want a 12-series Kitchen Aid, and the window just adds to the fun. Robert, I think you should sell window doors for all appliances.

Creativity and good Kitchen Aid engineering wins again!
Dave

 

[mickeyd]

So it works like a unimatic

with the pump "hard-wired" under the motor. I get it. Thank you. So easy and so nice when you gifted men explain it.

In R's photo, I missed the side-mounted white pump at the botttom of the screen !!! Duh! so transfixed by the cool mechanicals, forgot to scroll down.

 

[jetcone]

You Bastard!

Frightening a pink Kitchenaid like that!

You Bastard! opening a window on the Forbidden Cycle before me!

I have called Robbie into action from Forbidden Planet! Look out dishwasher killer!

-anonymous kitchenaid owner