Speed Queen FL on the fritz *again*
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brucelucenta
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Agreed!
iheartmaytag
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Forgive him
He's a little "touched" don't you know.
He's a little "touched" don't you know.
brucelucenta
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LOL Not too touched, I at least bought a washer and dryer that doesn't break down constantly! Don't know about you though.....
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Please,
God give Bruce something else too do besides beat a dead horse,I should call PETA. DANG GIVE IT A REST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God give Bruce something else too do besides beat a dead horse,I should call PETA. DANG GIVE IT A REST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not sure I really want to wade into this mess, but how is Bruce different that the chorus of folks that shout Speed Queen! whenever a new poster asks what machine to buy? Personally I get very tired of that chant, there are other quality machines out there, and for the price of a SQ I can replace a machine twice in the 15 years a SQ might last and still be ahead.
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I thank you! All I have really done is point out that there are several who have posted on here about bad experiences with sq and the service results and it has shaken what little faith I had left in sq machines, which was precious little I admit. The claims of others stating an sq machine will last 25 years or more is absurd to say the least. And the chant or rant really is quite annoying too. It seems to be a roll of the dice with speed queen, some folks have very good luck and minimal problems and others have nothing but problems. That's why I stay out of casinos, too risky.
I thank you! All I have really done is point out that there are several who have posted on here about bad experiences with sq and the service results and it has shaken what little faith I had left in sq machines, which was precious little I admit. The claims of others stating an sq machine will last 25 years or more is absurd to say the least. And the chant or rant really is quite annoying too. It seems to be a roll of the dice with speed queen, some folks have very good luck and minimal problems and others have nothing but problems. That's why I stay out of casinos, too risky.
"If the machines are made in Mexico "
No, they're not!
http://www.savvysavingcouple.net/20...k-at-how-speed-queen-washers-dryers-are-made/
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No, they're not!
http://www.savvysavingcouple.net/20...k-at-how-speed-queen-washers-dryers-are-made/
Speed Queen Top-Load Washer Review 2025: Reliability, Costs & Drawbacks
See real service data, pros & cons, and TR vs. TC differences to decide if a Speed Queen top-load washer is worth it.
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Furthermore, motherboard production largely if not totally
Has been abandoned within the United States, IIRC there isn't a single factory producing motherboards in the country.
In fact IIRC the United States long ago ceded much or all manufacturing of consumer electronics to Mexico or various offshore countries. When was the last time you saw a television, microwave oven, audio equipment and so forth stamped "Made in America". It might be "assembled" in the USA, but that is a different matter.
https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1305967
IIRC Miele is one of the few appliance makers that produces most of their own parts internally. They have factories located in Gutersloh (Germany) and Braşov (Romania), that produce electronics. Have seen packaging for Miele motherboards and other electronics and they all say "made in Germany".
Besides there isn't anything inherently wrong with motherboards or anything else produced in Mexico, China or elsewhere. It comes down to quality controls put in place by whoever is placing the orders. That is factories will make what they are told to/ordered. If quality isn't there and customer threatens to cancel business things either change or that action is carried out.
Has been abandoned within the United States, IIRC there isn't a single factory producing motherboards in the country.
In fact IIRC the United States long ago ceded much or all manufacturing of consumer electronics to Mexico or various offshore countries. When was the last time you saw a television, microwave oven, audio equipment and so forth stamped "Made in America". It might be "assembled" in the USA, but that is a different matter.
https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1305967
IIRC Miele is one of the few appliance makers that produces most of their own parts internally. They have factories located in Gutersloh (Germany) and Braşov (Romania), that produce electronics. Have seen packaging for Miele motherboards and other electronics and they all say "made in Germany".
Besides there isn't anything inherently wrong with motherboards or anything else produced in Mexico, China or elsewhere. It comes down to quality controls put in place by whoever is placing the orders. That is factories will make what they are told to/ordered. If quality isn't there and customer threatens to cancel business things either change or that action is carried out.
Launderess is correct .The standards of quality,amperage,metallurgy,coatings,thickness,weight and warranty is placed by the company ordering it.I believe everyone has a point on this Speed Queen issue,but Bruce is winning it.
If you charge me that kind of money you'd better have a cracker jack Tech system, A warranty above all others,Positive reviews galore and the corporate balls to back it all up. So--Speedqueen of the past? or Present?
If you charge me that kind of money you'd better have a cracker jack Tech system, A warranty above all others,Positive reviews galore and the corporate balls to back it all up. So--Speedqueen of the past? or Present?
Right at this moment i have exactly the same problem...
Ok, our company will bring the production back to the US.
Ok, we will make the machines here
Not so OK: we can't find components. We can't find electronics, We can't find lots of stuff.
Our control boards will be made in Brazil because we simply can't find whatever company that can produce them in the US. We are not considering China or Mexico because of the political scenario.
Even to find a silly drain pump it's a PITA. (by PITA understand that we will have to change our design, I'll spend over 100 hours in front of the computer redesigning everything almost from scratch, make new molds and spend over 100 thousand dollars because of a 2mm discrepancy that the american supplier can't make or is too lazy to make). The american supplier won't accept our specs, we need to adapt our product to their specs. (arrogant, isn't it?) The solution, guess what... Pumps made in Brazil. Motors made in Brazil, control panels made in Brazil. Even silly spring loaded timers made in Brazil because the american suppliers don't want to make under our specs.
If we want our electronic boards made in USA with the exact specs we want, we would need something near 300 million dollars to build the mecatronics shop, hire at least 5 highly skilled employees (almost 1 million per year each if they accept working for us because they all moved to china because the salaries are much higher and chinese companies can pay) and other 100 blue collar employees only to have our own mecatronics shop in our plant. for what? to produce 50 thousand pieces per year? Our supplier can produce in 20 minutes what we use in one year.
If we produce 100% in the USA, our TOL model would have an electromechanical timer and would look almost like a vintage washer. Here at AWO we would love it, but we're not enough to keep a plant working and people out there don't want that. they want their washers with Wi-Fi and as much bells and whistles it is possible and every year they want more. Soon they will demand a washer that walks around the house almost like a robot vacuum cleaner picking up the dirty clothes and after the cycle is done the washer puts the clothes starched and perfectly ironed and folded in the closet, all that with a single voice command on a smartphone.
Steve Jobs was right. It's IMPOSSIBLE nowadays.
The only way, maybe for us to have USA made electronics and mecatronics is if all companies (appliances, tvs, computers, etc) create a huge joint venture to build only one factory to supply to all. And of course something like that will never happen.
Ok, our company will bring the production back to the US.
Ok, we will make the machines here
Not so OK: we can't find components. We can't find electronics, We can't find lots of stuff.
Our control boards will be made in Brazil because we simply can't find whatever company that can produce them in the US. We are not considering China or Mexico because of the political scenario.
Even to find a silly drain pump it's a PITA. (by PITA understand that we will have to change our design, I'll spend over 100 hours in front of the computer redesigning everything almost from scratch, make new molds and spend over 100 thousand dollars because of a 2mm discrepancy that the american supplier can't make or is too lazy to make). The american supplier won't accept our specs, we need to adapt our product to their specs. (arrogant, isn't it?) The solution, guess what... Pumps made in Brazil. Motors made in Brazil, control panels made in Brazil. Even silly spring loaded timers made in Brazil because the american suppliers don't want to make under our specs.
If we want our electronic boards made in USA with the exact specs we want, we would need something near 300 million dollars to build the mecatronics shop, hire at least 5 highly skilled employees (almost 1 million per year each if they accept working for us because they all moved to china because the salaries are much higher and chinese companies can pay) and other 100 blue collar employees only to have our own mecatronics shop in our plant. for what? to produce 50 thousand pieces per year? Our supplier can produce in 20 minutes what we use in one year.
If we produce 100% in the USA, our TOL model would have an electromechanical timer and would look almost like a vintage washer. Here at AWO we would love it, but we're not enough to keep a plant working and people out there don't want that. they want their washers with Wi-Fi and as much bells and whistles it is possible and every year they want more. Soon they will demand a washer that walks around the house almost like a robot vacuum cleaner picking up the dirty clothes and after the cycle is done the washer puts the clothes starched and perfectly ironed and folded in the closet, all that with a single voice command on a smartphone.
Steve Jobs was right. It's IMPOSSIBLE nowadays.
The only way, maybe for us to have USA made electronics and mecatronics is if all companies (appliances, tvs, computers, etc) create a huge joint venture to build only one factory to supply to all. And of course something like that will never happen.
I forgot to include....
Have i mentioned about the cost?
Super Compact Automatic Washer: Our TOL model, mini top load washer, impeller type, electronic control panel, designed and engineered in the USA, made in china in our own plant with a rigit quality control... retail price $199
Exactly the same washer made in USA, with the same quality control, drain pump and PCB made in Brazil, 100% designed and engineered here in the USA, 98% made in USA, 100% assembled in the USA: Retail price $799
When everybody brings the production back to the USA and people arrive at Home Depot and see a BOL Amana top load washer costing $2000 and the matching dryer costing $1500 and a TOL Whirlpool costing $5000 only the washer, then people will say we (manufacturers) are stealing them.
Bot of course somebody will say "oh, but all those american jobs. blah, blah, blah" BULLSHIT! Guess what will happen with "those american jobs" when the manufacturers stop selling because people don't have the money to afford a new washer. Trump is trying to simply ban China, but he forgets that thanks to China people can afford cheap washers. He's not moving a finger to make it sustainable for the companies. Companies need to have profit, that is obvious, nobody will pay to work. As the production cost is much higher, it will reflect on the retail price. Is the country ready to pay this price? Soon this country will be like cuba, with washers rusted and fixed with duct tape because people can't afford a new one. Welcome to Soviet Union of America!
Have i mentioned about the cost?
Super Compact Automatic Washer: Our TOL model, mini top load washer, impeller type, electronic control panel, designed and engineered in the USA, made in china in our own plant with a rigit quality control... retail price $199
Exactly the same washer made in USA, with the same quality control, drain pump and PCB made in Brazil, 100% designed and engineered here in the USA, 98% made in USA, 100% assembled in the USA: Retail price $799
When everybody brings the production back to the USA and people arrive at Home Depot and see a BOL Amana top load washer costing $2000 and the matching dryer costing $1500 and a TOL Whirlpool costing $5000 only the washer, then people will say we (manufacturers) are stealing them.
Bot of course somebody will say "oh, but all those american jobs. blah, blah, blah" BULLSHIT! Guess what will happen with "those american jobs" when the manufacturers stop selling because people don't have the money to afford a new washer. Trump is trying to simply ban China, but he forgets that thanks to China people can afford cheap washers. He's not moving a finger to make it sustainable for the companies. Companies need to have profit, that is obvious, nobody will pay to work. As the production cost is much higher, it will reflect on the retail price. Is the country ready to pay this price? Soon this country will be like cuba, with washers rusted and fixed with duct tape because people can't afford a new one. Welcome to Soviet Union of America!
"Besides there isn't anything inherently wrong with motherboards or anything else produced in Mexico, China or elsewhere. It comes down to quality controls put in place by whoever is placing the orders. That is factories will make what they are told to/ordered."
This is true....my Volkswagen Beetle was made in Mexico. It has over 237k miles on it and still going strong with little more than routine maintenance.
When I worked for Goldstar in Alabama (LG now) back in 1991 all our parts were pre-assembled in Korea, shipped to us, and we stuck them together in the cases to form a television set.
This is true....my Volkswagen Beetle was made in Mexico. It has over 237k miles on it and still going strong with little more than routine maintenance.
When I worked for Goldstar in Alabama (LG now) back in 1991 all our parts were pre-assembled in Korea, shipped to us, and we stuck them together in the cases to form a television set.
IIRC
There was some sort of "environmental" aspect to why much of electronic manufacturing left the USA. Lord knows there are plenty of "super fund" sites that are former electronics factory sites. Chemicals like polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) and chlorinated organic solvents come to mind.
There was some sort of "environmental" aspect to why much of electronic manufacturing left the USA. Lord knows there are plenty of "super fund" sites that are former electronics factory sites. Chemicals like polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) and chlorinated organic solvents come to mind.
Even if the PC boards were made in the US, almost every part on them is made in Asia. There isn't much component level electronics manufacturing still done here. Only low volume specialty stuff is still in the US for the most part.
Where something is made really has little impact on the overall quality as long as the company cares. The idea that American made is automatically superior was trashed years ago. In my industry, machining, America lost the lead in machine tools in the 70-80's, probably because Americans were too intellectually weak to adopt to the simpler and better metric system. Used to be that the best precision measuring tools were Starrett, but today Mitutoyo is just SO much better.
A while back we had a salesman sell us a new air compressor. I asked him where it was made, and he was timid at saying Belgium. I told him that I actually thought that was good. And man that Atlas Copco compressor has been one of the best investments we ever made. Silent, efficient and not one repair in 8+ years!
Overall I feel like American quality control is often lacking and far too often the employees seem to only be working for a paycheck. I'd much rather buy something from the US, but I won't do it if the product isn't as good. The thing Alliance/Speed Queen has going for them is that they still build heavy, commercial quality like machines. But they do seem to be a bit crude and their QC isn't up to the Asian products (remember the TL tub problems for instance). But in the long run they should have better durability and I'd bet that parts availability will be WELL longer then a Samsung or LG product.
Where something is made really has little impact on the overall quality as long as the company cares. The idea that American made is automatically superior was trashed years ago. In my industry, machining, America lost the lead in machine tools in the 70-80's, probably because Americans were too intellectually weak to adopt to the simpler and better metric system. Used to be that the best precision measuring tools were Starrett, but today Mitutoyo is just SO much better.
A while back we had a salesman sell us a new air compressor. I asked him where it was made, and he was timid at saying Belgium. I told him that I actually thought that was good. And man that Atlas Copco compressor has been one of the best investments we ever made. Silent, efficient and not one repair in 8+ years!
Overall I feel like American quality control is often lacking and far too often the employees seem to only be working for a paycheck. I'd much rather buy something from the US, but I won't do it if the product isn't as good. The thing Alliance/Speed Queen has going for them is that they still build heavy, commercial quality like machines. But they do seem to be a bit crude and their QC isn't up to the Asian products (remember the TL tub problems for instance). But in the long run they should have better durability and I'd bet that parts availability will be WELL longer then a Samsung or LG product.
It is going to take some time I shouldn't wonder for SQ to build up a decent service/support group. Unlike Whirlpool and the other major appliance makers Alliance as only just really entered that market in a big way.
Am also guessing those on the commercial side (repair) may not want much or anything to do with domestic repair. They probably have more than enough on their plate dealing with commercial and route repairs. Know when a SQ washer or dryer goes out at local launderette it can be weeks or months before the thing is repaired.
Am also guessing those on the commercial side (repair) may not want much or anything to do with domestic repair. They probably have more than enough on their plate dealing with commercial and route repairs. Know when a SQ washer or dryer goes out at local launderette it can be weeks or months before the thing is repaired.
Semiconductor manufacturing-The main chemical hazards were acids used for cleaning and etching-and small amounts of arsenic for doping junctions.PCB's were used before the early 70's when they were banned. PCB's were used as dielectric insulating heat conducting fluids in transformers,some types of "wet" MV switches and circuit breakers.also used in capacitors.There are sites where those items were made that are still being cleaned up.Makers in those days weren't especially careful in the use of PCB.There are some PCB caps still in some of our transmitters-still in use over 50 yrs from when they were made!There used to be a "wet" 4160 3Ph switch that was used to switch in the sites older genset-no longer with us.It blew a cylinder during hurricane Floyd.It was an old Chicago Pneumatic that dated back to the early 50s!No parts were available.The engine and generator got scrapped a few years ago and the old gen building used for storage now.Our new Cat generator uses vacuum switches for switching in or out of the power circuits.It can be used in parallel with the line-load management or separate-emergency power,another situation-if the Progress Energy folks are working on our feeder lines-the generator is isolated from them.We had to do that a couple years ago when our substation was refurbished.
