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Iowegian

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Hi folks,

We're looking to replace a Maytag SAV series washer. I like the Speed Queen machines and was wondering if anyone has any experience with the Speed Queen FL machine in an upstairs laundry room. Our house was built ca. 1999 with engineered wood (I-beam) floor joists and seems to be pretty stiff as far as wood frame houses go.

Thanks for any insight.
 
As nice as they are in design (inner and outer stainless steel tubs with perferated stainless steel paddles) and features, they are expensive and have smaller tubs ( 3.1 cu ft) then most competitors. The Maytag/Whirlpool/Amana front loaders have bigger capacity and are a bit more reasonably priced. LG also makes a larger capacity washer and Frigidaire Affinities are great in capacity, convenience and they make models as low as $549 at Lowes. I went to the Sears OutletStore here and found a new Frigidaire top of the line Affinity inthe box for only $400! I bought it for my brother who had a similar washer you have that went and took a crap ( berrings and pump )  so I gave him the Affinity. He said that he and his wife noticed how much cleaner their clotheswere gettiing and how much less lint was accumulating in the dryer.Renie told me that the clothes never loked or smeled as clean as their new washer gets them.
 
I have a Speed Queen FL washer and I LOVE it! It's definitely one of the best washers I've ever used! It does lack on features and there is no soil level selection but that doesn't really bother me. Less stuff to break! It's been my experience with the spin that the spin bursts tend to be a bit unbalanced if you don't have a full load, but they only last about 6-8 seconds before stopping to let the pump catch up. After the wash and between rinses, instead of doing a full spin, it does 4 pulse spins, getting gradually faster with each pulse. The only actual full speed spin the machine does is the final spin. (It does 4 pulses first then goes full speed for the final spin.) I can't say that I have any clue how the machine would react with your floor (mine is on cement), it'll probably shake a bit, but during the pulse spins, it's only for a few seconds at a time and then it moves on, the final spin tends to balance better and it has always been smooth sailing for me when the final spin comes around. Yes the machine costs more and has less features, but it's built so much better!!! As for the capacity, I've done comforters in mine with no issue. The Electrolux Wave Touch dryer I use with it also has issues coping with the size of the loads that come out of it. (And that's and 8.0 cubic foot dryer!) So I don't think that it has any capacity issues. The longer wash time certainly means it can cope with more laundry. It also seems to be far more balanced during the pulse spins and final spins if it's filled up. (And it never gets fussy about balancing trying to get the clothes just right for an eternity!) And it only takes 44 minutes for a regular load. Better than most FL machines today!
 
@laundromat:

I'm leery of Whirlpool/Maytag/Amana FLs after reading lots of stories of machines going bad after just a couple of years. Maybe there are thousands and thousands of good ones that we never hear about, and we only see the horror stories of the bad ones, who knows?

Not too interested in Frigidaire/Electrolux either, since they closed their Iowa plant a few years ago and moved production to Mexico leaving 900 people out of work. I'm not inclined to reward their greed to save a few bucks.

Thanks for the input just the same.
 
@pulsator:

Thanks for the info. I really like the SQ philosophy of putting the money into the mechanics rather than doo-dads like touch screens and musical jingles, but no dealers around here stock them. They'd have to order one in. Wish I could see one run on a wood floor, that would make the decision to buy much easier...
 
Something I should add, mine came with special feet adapters for upper floor installations. They clip onto the front 2 feet and are about 3 inches in diameter. They are large adhesive pads that stick to the floor and will hold the washer still if it starts shaking. It may shake but, if properly installed, the pads will not allow the machine to walk. Also, I have never had my machine jump. If it decides the load is too unbalanced for a pulse spin, let alone the final spin, it will stop and redistribute. The Speed Queen difference is that it will only stop if it thinks it'll jump or the tub will bang against the cabinet. Most machine seem to try and keep their shocks from having to do any vibration absorption (which makes sense considering how cheaply made most of them are.)

 

There are others on this site (I'm can think of 4 or 5 at least) that have Speed Queen FL washers and they all love them. Hopefully someone will have some experience with them on a wood floor...
 
SpeedQueen and Miele tend to do no-nonsense designs with control panels. Miele's are a bit more sophisticated in terms of options, but they're relatively gimmick-free compared to some machines, especially some of the LGs and Samsungs which are more like a mobile phone than a washing machine.

The most important aspect of a washing machine is the design of the drum, the sturdiness of the build, the mechanical design of how it prevents the drum from vibrating too much i.e. shocks, springs etc and the power and reliability of the motor.

A front loader with a fairly mediocre size drum, but a powerful motor and excellent drum design will still produce far better results than a machine with a bigger drum, loads of fancy electronics if it has an inadequate motor and a badly designed paddle / drum system.

Remember, with a front loader your aim is to flush water through the clothes. They aren't tumble dryers and they don't necessarily need loads of room for clothes to tumble. What they need is an ability to slosh loads of water (not necessarily use lots of water) through the load using paddles and powerful rotation (i.e. lots of torque).

Also, when it comes to rinse performance, a front loader relies more on spin extraction than on sloshing around in water. You're aiming to wash - spin - re-saturate - spin - re-saturate - spin - fabric soften - final spin.

So, again that performance is dictated by mechanics, not electronics or drum size.

That's why I would say the SpeedQueen machines are quite likely to be excellent.
Same goes for Miele and a few others that are almost achieving commercial laundromat build quality scaled down for a household design.
 
@pulsator:

Thanks - I downloaded SQ's install instructions and I didn't see those mentioned, only the typical rubber feet that go over the leveling bolts...
 
I still say it's the users who don't follow the easy directions and never take care of their appliances that cause most of the problems with front loading washers.They either leave the door shut after use causing mildew, use a high sudsing detergent instead of HE, use way too much bleach causing rust and corosion, and never check pockets for loose change or other foreign objects. That may be why 99% of the broken models I have restored are still in use years after I repaired them. I prefer the larger capcity models and,in fact, will be getting LGs new 30" set in SS when I return home. Before I left, I set up the area where they'll look great and be more practical. I had to wait until they arrived to be sure I had the right measurements. I setup dliery for 10/25/12. I readthese will easily wash up to 25 pounds of dry laundry. Anyway. I ope whatever you buy works great and does meet your needs.
 
@MrX:

I've read lots of good things about Miele. Unfortunately, they just can't be found where I live. The company website lists two dealers in my area. Neither one stock any of their models. One dealer who normally stocks a lot of product from many manufacturers has nothing at all. The other dealer, who advertises as a "Factory Direct" kind of place doesn't really stock anything from anyone, they are just a storefront that ships product from a warehouse hundreds of miles away.
 
I've yet to go look at Miele machines at my local Miele boutique, but the Speed Queen FL looks quite promising; it's got a bigger drum, and probably just as well-built as the German machines at a price cut! The only two SQ dealers in my area are quite far away from my home, so I have to plan some time to go there in the coming weeks.
 
@laundromat:

As machines become more complex, there are more potential failure modes, including operator error. But good software design takes operator skill into account. Shouldn't laundry equipment be the same?

I don't envy the appliance manufacturers. I bought my first new washer ca. 1984-85. It was a DD Whirlpool, middle of the line and it cost $425. That was a lot of money to me, luckily the mom and pop dealer carried me for 90 days to pay it off. $425 in 1984 money is like $950 today. But today you can buy a technically complex front loading machine for $950 or a functional top-loader for $425. They have to be wringing (no pun intended!) every last labor and material cent out of those machines to hit those price points.
 
"Technically complex "

Does not have to automatically equal poor quality and or early demise due to planned obsolescence. It all comes down to design and quality.

Commercial laundry and dishwashing machines have long been technically complex with various amounts of computer controls, the difference however is how the systems are designed and installed to isolate them from certain damage.

Both in laundry and dishwashing machines you are going to encounter environments that are moist and warm, something computers/motherboards don't normally like. If certain electronic/computer controls are not protected to an extent from such things it will hasten their demise/shorten their useful lifespan.
 
@launderess:

Microprocessor control of laundry and dishwashing equipment is relatively new. The benefits of microprocessor control for laundry and dishwashing equipment are not as obvious as they are for, say, automobiles, where fuel economy and engine longevity have increased greatly over the last couple of decades. If we were to compare water use to fuel economy, then yes, the appliance makers have succeeded. If we were to compare engine life to laundry machine life, I don't think the appliance makers have succeeded.

Perhaps GM needs to get back into the appliance business!
 
SQ FL.

Is probably about the best you are going to get today unless you want a Miele which would give you more cycles and options. Depending on where in central IA you are you should look on line for dealers in either the Des Moines area or the Minneapolis area. One for sure in The Minneapolis area that carries both lines Miele and SQ is Warner's Stellian. I do not know of any in Des Moines.
WK78
 
@whirlykenmore78:

I spent way more time in my younger days than I'd like to admit as a dish dog, so I know all too well about the Hobart dishwashers. They took all of about 2 minutes to go through their cycle - not enough time to sneak out for a smoke or to flirt with the waitresses. Thanks for the pic and the memories...LOL!

I still remember how chuffed I was when I got to be a prep cook - coring and chopping dozens of iceberg lettuce heads a day, slicing cases of tomatoes and so on. But it was a lot better than getting steamed by that damn Hobart dishwasher, and I got paid the same $2.25/hr...

I'll check out SQ dealers away from here if I really have to, but I'd like to trade locally if at all possible. SQ distribution around here isn't so good because for years everyone bought Maytag if they could afford it, and Whirlpool was the brand of choice at the next lower price point.
 
I checked Consumer Reports, and Speed Queen front-loaders received a very low score for "freedom from vibration" during spins. This probably doesn't matter if you're installing it on concrete, but it might be of some concern in an upstairs laundry room.

Receiving best scores for vibration:

Samsung WF511AB ($1300)
Samsung WF520AB ($1400)

Kenmore Elite 4154 ($1300)
Kenmore Elite 4153 ($1000)

Shop by model, not brand, as other Samsungs (priced $600-800) scored poorly for vibration.
 
@frigilux:

I saw the same thing, but I'm not as likely to take C-R ratings as seriously as I would have years ago, having owned some of their "recommended" stuff that turned out to be real duds.

Funny thing about their laundry ratings is that the Speed Queen stuff is rated low by C-R but rated very highly by owners. Are Speed Queen owners hopeless romantics longing for the old days of quality machines built in the U.S. by manly men with a welding torch in one hand and a 3lb. hammer in the other, that would be blinded by dingy whites? I really don't think so.

Conversely, the machines that are rated "best" by C-R have the lowest consumer ratings. Kind of makes one wonder whether C-R has any reason for being these days.

Go figure...
 
To Bobo:

In Canada, you want to look for Huebsch. Alliance doesn't sell the Speed Queen brand in Canada, unfortunately. Fortunately, Huebsch = Speed Queen so it's not that bad.

To Iowegian:

We have our Huebsch placed on a concrete floor in the basement and I can feel the concrete floor shaking on certain kinds of loads from across the basement. I think I would have serious reservations about using a SQ machine on a wooden floor... but I would probably expect noticeable amounts of vibration with certain kinds (But not all) loads.

To Laundromat:

Ours has a 3.3 cu.ft tub, which is a 94 litre capacity. This is larger than a European style front loader, but not as big as some of the huge Samsung and LG machines out there. Personally, I think a 3.3 cu.ft drum is perfectly OK for two people or maybe a smallish family of 3-6 people. I usually leave washing the comforters to the laundromat.

To Pulsator:

I've never seen my Huebsch stop, even after the outer tub was banging against the cabinet. (It only did it twice on a pulse spin, then it didn't do it again.) I suspect near havoc and mayhem would have to be happening before it would finally give up.

To everyone else:

I have to admit that out of all of the machines, the Huebsch model which I have has as many "features" as a bottom end consumer machine, but this thing is like a brick craphouse.. it just takes whatever we can throw in it and keeps on going. I have a lot of confidence this machine will last decades without issues.
 
Thank you Qualin for the info.

I'm heading to my local Miele boutique this Sunday, just to get an idea of what a well-built machine feels like. I highly doubt the European machines (W3033) are big enough for my needs, as I want to wash a Cal-King duvet cover and a fitted sheet in one load. The SQ sounds promising, as it's got a 3.3 cu.ft drum, which should be big enough for my needs. Still have to find a place to see the washer in person though. So for now, the SQ is on the top of my list.
 
I have the current SQ. I knew what it was before I bought it so I am not disappointed but it has pluses and minuses. It is a very rugged machine. Unlike so many of the FLs out there, this one does not have to be perfectly balanced to go into spin; its construction can take some vibration in spin. It is brilliantly engineered to shut off the pump during the surge spins to avoid air locking. The pump comes on again as the tub slows when there is plenty of water over the pump intake for positive pump outs. More importantly, the tub stays in the distribution speed between the surges so it does not have to redistribute before each surge spin. My Duet would usually go into the initial phase of spin prety well, but the water spun out of the load (because the speed ramped up too quickly) quickly overwhelmed the pump which tripped the flood sensor. The whole machine, except the pump came to a stop while the water slowly drained out. It then had to rebalance, which proved a very difficult task involving many attempts. It is possible to slowly ramp up without overwhelming the pump with too much water; my Miele W1986 does it beautifully, but the software in the Duet was not sophisticated enough.

The Speed Queen has many good points, but now it is time to make you aware of its shortcomings. First of all, its controls are little more than those of a coin-op machine with a couple of wonderful additions. A 24 minute, plus or minus, wash is too much for many things. It can be rough on fabrics. There should be something to allow cycle modification. Second, the surge spins are totally inadequate for removing enough water from the fabrics, especially heavy fabrics, for good rinsing. A FL uses a very small amount of water. Rinsing is a process of diluting the amount of detergent in the load. The best FLs, like the W1986, spin at very high speeds between the water changes for cottons. That means less water from the previous fill is carried over into the next rinse. If you ever stop the SQ after one of these surge periods and set the control to SPIN, you will see, if your machine drains into a tub, how much water is retained in the load. If you cannot see how much water is spun out, you could stop the machine and reach in and squeeze the load to get an idea of how wet they still are. In commercial installations like launderettes, carrying over this larger amount of water in the load before each rinse makes the washer use less total water because it does not have to resaturate the load for each rinse. It is not as bad as the commercial top loader that just drains part of the wash water out and then fills for rinse, but it is a similar principle. It also reduces total cycle time since it does not have to allow for a couple of minutes of higher speed spins between the water changes and that is also important to a commercial laundry operation. If any or all of this bothers a user, they can always do like I do and time the wash for a period shorter than the maximum, then turn the dial to OFF, then turn it to SPIN and let the load go through a real spin. Then start each rinse manually by setting the timer to RINSE & SPIN. No one machine is best for everything. This one is good for many things, but it could have been made better, like many other machines, if they were not designed under the shadow of stupid energy regulations thought up by bean counters and if SQ was interested in offering a thousand dollar machine with features comparable to other thousand dollar washers.
 
I second what qualin said about concrete shaking. I used these Speed Queens at a dorm where they were installed on a concrete first floor. The floor would noticeably vibrate during some spin cycles. But that's the same with Miele. These washers rely on their weight, rather than on sensors, steels balls or gel packs, to stop the unit from moving around. There are several reports from European users saying how their Miele goes into spin unbalanced because the overall construction of the washer can handle it - but then again, European homes usually don't have a wooden construction like in the US (or Canada, I suppose).

Alex
 
It can be rough on fabrics?

Tomturbomatic:

You said that the washer is rough on fabrics; is it because the actual wash cycle is too long (24mins), that's causing it? Is there a way to make shorten the wash cycle? I think my 20 year-old TL spends about 15mins agitating and, for some odd reason, that machine is making everyone's clothing in the house looking rough and old.
 
I saw some wear on items. The drum is large so there is a lot of tumble action. I don't know if you are aware of this, but their first model had something like an 8 minute wash and Consumer Reports said its cleaning performance was not up to that of the other machines so with the next model, SQ greatly increased the wash time. My laundry is not that dirty so it does not need to wash as long, plus I wash in hot or warm water so I am not trying to remove heavy soil with cold water.

Unfortunately, I have found no way to modify the machine's cycles, other than by turning it off and doing as I stated above, because like so many new machines, it does not actually have a timer dial you can use to shorten a part of the cycle. The rinse periods are very short, so I sometimes turn it off after a couple of minutes of tumbling and then restart the rinse to give it extra time to make better use of the water. Just a textiles do not instantly give up soil, they do not instantly give up detergent in rinse water so a little bit of extra time tumbling in the rinse can make the rinsing more effective.

You might be able to get by with less agitation time with your top loader. Please hang on to it, if for no other reason than if you have one item to wash, it is very difficult to get it to balance well enough in a FL for it to spin. With a TL, you can often spread out and position the item in the bottom of the tub to get it to spin, even if at first it might trip the out of balance switch before you manually reposition it. You can't do that in a FL.
 
Bobo

Firstly, consider what you will wash and how often you wash them before deciding a larger capacity machine is the way to go.

Consumer magazines both here in Oz and in the UK have found that consumers rarely if ever reach the capacity of the machine - don't let looks deceive you! Choice magazine has just revamped their testing procedures to focus on 'average load' rather than 'full capacity' as a result. It appears that people only put in about 3.5kg of washing regardless of the machine size.

A machine that is comfortably or fully loaded rather than partly loaded will generally spin better and without excessive vibration.

Miele machines are generally 6.5kg or larger these days and as an indication of capacity, my old 4kg Hoover stated a full load was 8...yes 8!!! single bed sheets and 8 pillow slips.

Any European machine will be capable of taking a KS cover and a bottom sheet...in fact, they'll take 2 of each, not be at 'capacity' and not even blanch at it. Don't be put off by what appears to be a smaller tub. Just fill it and go!
 
Our family of three don't have that much stuff to wash since we do the laundry every other day; it's only when we need to do the bed linens that a bigger machine will speed things up. Of course, we want our clothes and linens to last as well! My parent's bed is a Cal-King, while mine is a Queen size. Our present washer is a 20-pound TL, and the Cal-King bed linens fit fine. We have a "bed linen day" where we wash all of them in one day. If the Cal-King fitted sheet and duvet cover (our largest load) can be washed together, then we don't have to split that into another load and end up washing 3 loads. A family friend of ours has the Miele W4842, and I think it is too big for our needs. We will rarely reach half the capacity of that thing, except for the Cal-King bed set. The Speed Queen fits our needs - at least on paper - as it's got a 3.3 cu.ft drum, a size that's right between the Miele W3033 and W4842. Anyways, I found a dealer that carries both Speed Queen and Miele, and we'll probably go there tomorrow since it's close to our home.
 
Miele 4***** Series

First they have been discontinued by Miele, so if you want one better act quickly as dealers will not be getting anymore new stock. Rumor has it Miele was losing money on each unit and for that and other reasons decided to pull the plug.

Next though the 4xxx units are indeed large per directions in the owner's manual they are only loaded 3/4 drum max. This is opposed to say quasi and or "large" front loaders that follow the age old principles of loading the drum full leaving about a fist's worth of space at top.
 
Long Wash Times

If you suspect the 24 minute wash time is too long, switch to the delicate cycle for lightly soiled laundry will cut it down to 14 minutes. You may have to add a stand alone spin only cycle to wring out your item, but the results should better fit your needs.

Malcolm
 
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