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Yes Henrik, like you said...except I would add, if you get a lemon prepare to figh SQ tooth-and-nail for a replacement...cause that is how they roll.

My machine does work at the moment, cause it has less than 10 loads on the latest board/pump, but I realized I haven't heard it go into high speed spin for SOME time.
Hmm...
lemon law here I come, thx mtn.
 
Not so fast Germany!!!

I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bath water on an American company that has thousands of happy customers because of a few lemons and bad customer service, however it may have been received. The same goes for Whirlpool Corporation.
Alliance and Whirlpool are the last two TRUE AMERICAN appliance companies and I'm not throwing the towel in on either one.
1. Many folks have had an excellent experience with Alliance myself included.
2. High demand for their products has sent this company into expansion mode thus creating more jobs.
3. Bojack did get jerked around but his machine is working (for now) hopefully it will continue to do so.
He has every right not to want another SQ, that's his choice. I personally would've handled it differently. I'd have gone to Alliance and only Alliance after the third repair and taken it to the top. They do stand behind their products. I've dealt with them myself and have 3 W/D sets made by them in the family and several others who purchased based on my recommendation and none have had any issues.
An American company who employs Americans and puts the money back into America will always get my support!
Yes even Honda, Toyota and Nissan all have factories in the USA and they employ Americans!
I do not see LG or Samsung having any factories in the USA or employing any Americans . Money spent on their products goes out of the country and the only one benefitting is LG or Samsung, no matter how pretty or up to date their products are.
I've even suggested to a friend that has an older SQ which he's going to replace, to take a look at Maytag or Whirlpool. So while this was a bad experience, mom and pop stores cannot take back items the way Big Bic stores like Sears, Best Buy and Lowes can, simple as that. There is more to it than flat out saying that Alliance is no better than others. Walk into any independent appliance store any they will ALL recommend SQ Washers and Dryers.
Bojack, you know I'm sorry for your issues and this rebuttal has nothing to do with you.
Mike
 
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not to add ill-will.....but something to keep in the back of your mind.....

there could be something in your homes wiring causing odd issues......

my sister has a Historical home....and most of it is knob-tube wiring....I don't know what it is, but she has burnt through more mother boards on 2 electronic washers than I can count....she went back to an old school machine, and no issues since....there is something in that house, makes me think its haunted...

note: these same 2 broken machines work fine at my house.....with the same boards that would not work at her house....

I was hoping Alliance would replace your units with new ones....if the new one works without issues, your good to go, but if it happens to a second set, I might think there is something in the house/wiring causing issues....
 
Echoing Eddie's (ea56) comments in reply #47.....

 

Go right to the top and contact the CEO of Alliance.

 

Years ago when Maytag was still a real company (unlike now), my co-worker had a Maytag Neptune FL washer & dryer he bought new.  It had been repaired once under warranty, then once out of pocket and when it failed again 3 months later, out of sheer frustration, he was at a loss what to do next (not wanting to put more $$$ into it) and was ready to kick it to the curb.  

 

I suggested he contact the president of Maytag directly, but he was reluctant.  I took it upon myself to find out who Maytags president was, then composed a letter, describing his history of growing up with Maytags and being a loyal Maytag customer, the problems with this machine (not long out of warranty) and the fact that his faith in Maytag had now almost completely vanished.  I printed the letter, he signed it and mailed it.

 

About 10-12 days later a "Maytag repairman" called to schedule time to come repair the machine, all with no cost to him.   It worked for a few more years, but I can't remember now why he replaced them.  They've been using a 1980 A806 & DG808 (that I found for them) since and they've been very happy.

 

Obviously the point to my story is, take a chance and write to the CEO of Alliance, what have you got to loose?  They may just buy them back or replace them (if you're willing).

 

Kevin 

 
 
If you do....

Decide to write to upper management at Alliance, avoid opinions, attitudes, and adjectives. Stick to the factual account of everything that has happened. Make no demands.... Simply ask for help resolving your issues...

Malcolm
 
Thanks Kevin reply #64! All my life I've spoken for myself whenever I have purchased a product or service that turns out to be unsatisfactory. And I always go to the highest level I can from the start. And I totally agree with Malcolm reply#65, stick to the facts and leave the nastiness out of your letter or telephone conversation. But be clear on what your expectations were when you originally made the purchase and explain and document how those expectations weren't met. Speak for yourself! I was taught this at home, this is how my parents always handled any situation like this, and they were always successful and so have I always been successful using this practice. People always want to "lawyer up" when they feel they've been wronged. Nine times out of ten any rational communication with the person that is most likely to have the power to fix your problem works. If it doesn't then you can pursue legal avenues for a resolution. Why make things more difficult than they already are? Keep you eye on the ball. BTW, Olav "Rapunzel" l gave name and phone number of the CEO for Alliance in an earlier post, it couldn't hurt to make a positive contact with this person.

One more pointer that has served me well in these kinds of situations. I learned this at a supervisors training seminar in 89', and I've used it every since. Write your letter of complaint or request using the KKK formula. In this case the letters stand for kiss, kick, kiss. Start out with something positive, and sometimes this is difficult, then state clearly what your expectation is and end with something positive , for instance ,"I'm thanking you in advance for your attention to my concern". I always used this approach whenever I needed to have a conference with a worker that was having problems. This really works very well most of the time. Everybody wants to be treated with respect.

Good Luck!
Eddie
 
Not to hijack the thread, but 600 jobs is 600 jobs. Contrary to popular belief, some, (arguably the majority,) people are idiots and are only capable of a $10/ hr job. I think it's good news.

If you want to discuss this further please start a new thread.
 
Reply #63

Johnb300m,

I used to work for LG (Lucky Goldstar) in Huntsville, AL 25 years ago (it was a Goldstar TV plant back then).  They didn't pay much then either, but they had good insurance benefits that started on day 1 of employment.  They had the Asian work mentality...work work work, 12 hours a day 5 and 6 days a week.  The building is still in Huntsville and is the head office for customer service and operations support.

 

We now return to our regularly scheduled program already in progress....

http://www.lgecareers.com/
 
Our Amana Fridge was assembled in America. I  think most of the electronic controls are imported.  Times are tough and when a community suffers a reversal of fortune the population is not necessarily a bunch of mouth breathers.  People suffer when a major employer absconds with the jobs.  I think there are some intelligent people in Newton Iowa, Herrin IL, Louisville Ky.  $10 bucks/hr. looks good when you do not have a job. Many times people get "stuck" when the employer leaves and they are stuck with a house they can no longer sell.
 
New Speed Queen FL Washer Problems

I almost hate to reopen this thread, But hears my take on what happened.

 

1 The service company was terrible.

 

2 This washer is NOT a Lemon and SQ should NOT replace it.

 

3 From my count this washer only broke down once do to a component failure. The first failure was likley a faulty main motor-relay board. I checked with our parts distributor [ the only authorized parts source for an area of over 6 million people ] and they have only supplied 3 of these motor boards in the last year.

 

4 The second difficulty Robert had could have easily been fixed by the user, page 25 in the owners instructions tells how to remove items stuck in the drain pump or trap. The only tool required is a 5/16" nut driver to remove the lower front panel. The small sock that got stuck in the pump CAN NOT damage either the pump or motor board. The only thing that will happen is a failure for the washer to drain and maybe a slight hot smell of the pump trying to run [ this washer DID NOT fill the laundry room with smoke, nothing burned ]

 

Note; the drain pump is driven by a relay on the board so a stuck pump CAN NOT damage the board.

 

5 the third problem was apparently something in the pump that dissapeared when they tried replacing it, remember they tried replacing the board again and it did not fix the problem.

 

Note, SQ is selling their machines through self-servicing dealers, they DO NOT approve of on line sales.

 

If Robert had bought this washer from a local dealer and they had given this type of lousy service he would have a claim against the local dealer.

 

John L.
 
Well, nothing like having a sympathetic ear! LOL Aside from that, what kind of a washing machine allows a sock to get stuck in the pump in this day and age? Even the old Westinghouse machines guarded against that. It re affirms my opinion that they aren't that great of a machine. Perhaps no worse than any other, but certainly no better.[this post was last edited: 4/21/2017-12:47]
 
Alliance/Speed Queen makes the product. They depend on the retailers/independent servicers to keep things running.

We are a platinum speed queen dealer. We get called with problems, we diagnose the issue and Alliance sends us the part. The tech goes to the customer and installs the part. If that doesn't fix the original complaint, they send us another part.

We have never had an issue of a lemon machine. We've replaced nearly everything in one machine because it was damaged in shipping, but we've never had a machine that Alliance just flat out refused to service.

That being said, a retailer/servicer with a good working relationship with Alliance is going to get further with them than ... people that are less than ideal to work with.

As an appliance/furniture store, we have a warranty/service department with two people that are paid to only work with our distributors/manufactures and maintain those relationships. We have a service writer as well as 5 techs. They all go through the training programs the manufactures/distributors offer so that when a customer calls with a complaint, they can pull up the schematics and know what they are looking at and what they are dealing with.

More often than not, we have the part in hand the first time we walk in the door because of this which has stream-lined our service process.

That being said, in the last three years, there have been less than 10 service calls on Speed Queen. We service 57 counties between our two locations.

What I am saying is if one retailer/service place is not giving you the service you think you should be getting, call another one. Keep calling them until you get the service you expect. You shouldn't have to do that, but that is the only way you are going to get decent service is to find somewhere with decent people out in the field.

Oh, and Apple makes the Mac Pro in the USA.
 
LG products: Made in Korea
SQ products Made in USA

LG Appliance Manufacturing Jobs in USA : ZERO
SQ Appliance Manufacturing Jobs in USA: Several hundred
Plus supporting Independant Businesses such as Appliance Dealers, Laundromats, etc....
More People employed.

TOTAL INVESTMENT BY LG IN AMERICA: ZERO
TOTAL INVESTMENT BY ALLIANCE IN AMERICA: $$$$$

Not to mention jobs lost at WP because Sears now uses Korean mfg. to save money.

If you had an American made washer, SQ, WP, GE or even Frigidaire I could have a one on one with you Bruce, but you don't and the only person you helped was yourself. I don't care if LG has plans to build s USA plant. The point is that SQ is a highly regarded American made consumer product with an overall sterling reputation based on consumer reviews online and they have excellent warranty coverage. IWe know you bought your LG/Kenmore to wash your king size comforter. Who gives a crap!!! I'm for the little guy, right or wrong Alliance has invested in America, returns money to America, and makes a product that folks want. I hope your LG lasts 100 years!!! I don't care, none of us care, the guy got a raw deal, it's like you get physically excited when someone bad mouths SQ. Yes I support SQ, but also WP the last American appliance companies.
 
I am with MTN1584--SQ has got to be the last of the US major appliance builders-WP is now an international maker-not all of their machines are built here.SQ is!And Korean built machines-or other places-Do the people building these really care?They are NOT likely to buy any of the products they are making.SQ realizes their machines are going to be bought and used by AMERICANS!So their workers are going to build them as though they were going to buy the machine for themselves.They could own the machines they are building!
 
whirlykenmore78 & mtn1584

Ok, so you are saying that because speed queen is built in the us and because they employ people who live here we should buy them to be patriotic and supportive of our country? There was a time when I would have expected more from a manufacturing company in the USA. Unfortunately that is no longer true. I just think that it is wrong to blame the user for a problem with a machine that should never have been a problem to begin with! It seems to me that many are blaming everyone except good old speed queen and that is where the problem lies. I am doing nothing but pointing out what should be obvious to anyone and not trying to rub anyone's nose in anything! And I very much resent you saying that! Robert is who I was defending, since he is the innocent victim who had the misfortune of buying this machine. I really have no great love of korean or any other foreign made machines, but I do want something that meets the requirements I need in a washer and dryer and I would like them to be as trouble free as possible. That is why I quit buying American made automobiles and have a trouble free Toyota. It is sad but true. I wish things were different. And btw, I think it RIDICULOUS that a front load speed queen could EVER end up with a sock stuck in the pump! That is not something that should even be possible with proper designing![this post was last edited: 4/23/2017-07:53]
 

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