Speed Queen to offer heater option......on 'International export' F/L models

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I asked Speed Queen if they were going to offer their TOL fully electronic top and front load washers and dryers in 220/240V export voltage and also if the F/L washer would come with a heater: this was their response via Facebook this morning:

 

'Yes, Speed Queen offers products in multiple voltage configurations for many global markets. The 2015 front load washer will be available with a heating option in select, international configurations'

 

They didn't mention if the US domestic model would be offered with this option as i didn't ask.

 

Cheers

Leon
 
Honest to God, I'd buy a front-loading Speed Queen in a heartbeat if it had more cycle flexibility and a water heater. There's a dealership within a stone's throw of my house, so repair work would not be an issue.

I agree, Bob; it's disappointing.
 
Cycle Flexability

has been answered by the new models. The heater has not been confirmed or denied at this point.

Malcolm
 
"The 2015 front load washer will be available with a heating option in select, international configurations"

 

Will these washers in question goint to be sold as "commercial" or "residential" units? I am wondering because we essentially have the same Speed Queen washers over here that are sold in the US. However, because our models are labeled "commercial", they can get away with using very powerful heaters (several thousand watts). I could well imagine that, as long as a model in the US is labeled "residential", it won't get a heater thanks to Energy Star, while the sister machine, labeled "commercial", will receive a heating element.
 
Heater

I would take one in a heartbeat! :D

I think the issue is that a US front loader with a heater would take to long. The most an American machine can pull is 1,800 watts, where a Euro model often has at least 2,300 watts available.

But that's not going to stop me from an international model ;)
 
My '04 Speed Queen washer has a heater, I bought it from Bob in Cleveland (as John mentioned above) and it's a great washer.  The Spot-B-Gone boosted hot cycle is running right now!

 

As far as flexibility, I really don't miss the many cycle options that I've had on other modern f/l washers.  The nine minute wash on Regular cycle is good for most loads and properly pre-treated problems come right out with a good HE detergent.

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American FL Washers With Heaters

The SQ FL Washers with heaters are 900 watts and do very well at heating the water to around 150F. You do not need thousands of watts of heat when you are starting with hot water, usually from a gas water heater in the US.

Generally North American laundry equipment is much more energy efficient that European home laundry appliances. In the US we generally use economical Gas Heated hot water instead of electricity and we often use Gas Vented clothes dryers that are light years ahead of using a condenser electric dryer in terms of operating costs not to mention how much less carbon dioxide is put in to the atmosphere using a gas dryer.

John L.
 
Personally.

Even a Speed Queen FL machine without a heater is still superior to residential machines offered at big box stores.

Malcolm
 
Simply no.

Nope. It isn't. There is no way US laundry is more efficent.
The most sold German washer configuration has 8kg (20 pounds roughly) capacity, is A+++ rated and highly water efficent (round about 70l for this load at 2 and a half hours). It uses about 0,8 kWh on a warm (104°F, 40°C) and about 1,2 kWh on a hot (140°F, 60°C) wash. On the "label cycles" (dumbed down temperatures, looooooong washtimes up to 4 hours and poor rinsing) such washers only use 50l and about 0,5/0,7 kWh.
Some washers go down to 45l of water for the same load, cycle times of 6 hours and energy usage of about 0,4/0,5 kWh (reachin only 35°C/90°F or less on a hot wash).
The most sold dryer is heat-pump by now, rated A++. It runs round about 2 hours and only uses 2 kWh.
Some more efficent dryers might take 2,5 or 3 hours, yet only use 1,5 to 1,3 kWh.
I doubt you beat less than 3,5 kWh for 20 pounds of laundry, washed hot and dried within 4-5 hours time.
Or a top efficency pair takeing 10h for 20 pounds, but only using 2 kWh or less.
 
OH....but they did answer the question..I don't expect any heater to be available to the USA.  We don't live in an international market. International... is code word for foreign.
 
Also from SQ's Facebook Page for the 2015 FL

The capacity will be 20% larger - taking it to 3.42 cu ft.

The temperature of the water is determined by your hot water heater. There's no mixing with the cold, unless you choose Warm then it's mixed with 50% Hot and 50% cold water.

There will be more cycle choices.

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I think some people are missing the point of a heater in FL washers.

The whole point of having heaters in FL machines is to allow a cooler intake temperature, such that heat-sensitive stains are less likely to be set into the items being washed. As the temperature increases, you get the benefits of a cool, warm and eventually hot wash cycle all in the one. Given the huge difference in temperature between cool and hot, it *is* necessary to use a reasonably large heater to ensure that cycle times are not absurdly long, particularly on European machines where there is the choice of temperatures exceeding 140º for the wash.

Suggesting that US products are better is more blind patriotism, I think, than truth. Others have supplied times, temperatures and actual energy consumption, while I'll make some rebuttals which are related, but not based upon these facts:
~ In many instances, Europeans LONG AGO abandoned hugely wasteful storage water heater solutions, whatever the fuel (unless solar/geothermal), you're still heating (in some cases) vast quantities of water that isn't used. So now, they are using instant electric or gas systems. Either way, their on-demand nature is far more efficient than storing water waiting for someone to eventually have a shower, or wash a load of laundry. Given high EU energy prices, this seems like a sensible idea.
I've noticed in some areas, storage systems do remain popular, for whatever reason. This includes Norway, one of the most expensive countries to live in (electric storage systems). Why don't they use gas when the state produced product is right there? Well, it is far easier to supply electricity in the middle of a mountain range than it is gas. Its less costly, and far safer if there is an accident. Same reason we use gas bottles 'in the sticks' here in Australia, too. Its also a cultural thing, no-one in Norway I've seen cooks with gas (unless its a camping stove). Everyone uses some sort of electric range/stovetop setup.

~ Given that Europeans don't have storage water heaters, and their washers use small quantities of water to get the job done - why waste hot water trying to fill the machines when the water (while hot) will be so little in quantity that it barely raises the overall temperature above tepid? The same applies for dishwashers. Unless there is a clear savings advantage, running hot water taps until they are purged of cold water can be wasteful.
This waste can be eliminated by allowing the washer to completely heat the water itself. And again, in the end, the cost of this over time will be less than wastefully keeping water hot un-necessarily, unless you are processing quantities of laundry meant for a commercial laundry, and not a home situation.

People here on this site have reported that they have to use their SQ FL's on 'Hot' for a (true) warm wash, and they must first "purge" the washer of cold water up to several times to ensure they get a true hot wash. Given the average person doing the laundry probably doesn't care about "the details," they'd try running the warm or hot cycle, only to be disappointed when it didn't turn out as they expected. The Euro machines at least understand this, and will heat to what you set them to. They don't give you a cold wash when "warm" is selected, they give the user what *they* want, when they want it - Even to a specific temperature setpoint!
Meanwhile, U.S. machines are still only offering temperature selections in the vague terms of "Cold, Warm, Hot, Extra Hot" - which are highly disputable temperature ranges.
 

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