spray-n-rinse
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The top loaders do still, but not as many and not as long. And some only have after the rinse, others solely between the wash and rinse. Nothing like the good ol' days tho.
Frid-GE-more
My Frid-GE-more F/L does something similar;
It pours fresh water in and tumbles while draining, right after the wash and before the first rinse.
I would have thought a spin, followed by a spray rinse followed by the above would be the best way to rinse and de-suds.
But then what would I know? I have been doing laundry for only 20/25 years! LOL
PS some "energy-star" top-loaders attempted to substitute a number of spray rinses for a deep rinse to get the rating. They did not sell well AT ALL. ALL had a deep rinse setting after the regualar cycle. In effect it made the machine semi-automatic. To get a deep rinse you'd have to restart it and wait for the deep rinse.
Uncle Sam only looks at what is labeled "normal/regular" cycle to create ratings. Now with a computerized machine they could have snuck this in... and given the user the option of selecting a deep rinse to AUTOMAICTALLY follow the spray rinse sequence.
My Frid-GE-more F/L does something similar;
It pours fresh water in and tumbles while draining, right after the wash and before the first rinse.
I would have thought a spin, followed by a spray rinse followed by the above would be the best way to rinse and de-suds.
But then what would I know? I have been doing laundry for only 20/25 years! LOL
PS some "energy-star" top-loaders attempted to substitute a number of spray rinses for a deep rinse to get the rating. They did not sell well AT ALL. ALL had a deep rinse setting after the regualar cycle. In effect it made the machine semi-automatic. To get a deep rinse you'd have to restart it and wait for the deep rinse.
Uncle Sam only looks at what is labeled "normal/regular" cycle to create ratings. Now with a computerized machine they could have snuck this in... and given the user the option of selecting a deep rinse to AUTOMAICTALLY follow the spray rinse sequence.
My F&P IWL12 has multiple rinsing options.
Spray rinses with one deep rinse is the normal default. There are multiple sprays in the first spin -- 300 RPM spin with one or two sprays, accelerate briefly to 670 RPM, down to 300 RPM with several more sprays, 670 RPM briefly again, then deep rinse. There are no sprays in the final spin.
The "Creasables" option drains after wash (no spin), has a deep rinse, then a brief 670 RPM spin (I don't think there are any sprays), then another deep rinse and final spin.
There are options for two deep rinses with no sprays, a series of extended sprays with no deep rinse, and a series of water saving sprays with no deep rinse. The water saving sprays can be further adjusted for volume of water used.
Several of the special LifeCycles have extra rinsing. I believe the Allergy cycle has sprays, two deep rinses, and more sprays in the final spin. I think the Beachwear selection may also have two deep rinses for dealing with sand.
Spray rinses with one deep rinse is the normal default. There are multiple sprays in the first spin -- 300 RPM spin with one or two sprays, accelerate briefly to 670 RPM, down to 300 RPM with several more sprays, 670 RPM briefly again, then deep rinse. There are no sprays in the final spin.
The "Creasables" option drains after wash (no spin), has a deep rinse, then a brief 670 RPM spin (I don't think there are any sprays), then another deep rinse and final spin.
There are options for two deep rinses with no sprays, a series of extended sprays with no deep rinse, and a series of water saving sprays with no deep rinse. The water saving sprays can be further adjusted for volume of water used.
Several of the special LifeCycles have extra rinsing. I believe the Allergy cycle has sprays, two deep rinses, and more sprays in the final spin. I think the Beachwear selection may also have two deep rinses for dealing with sand.
Feeling a little guilt about the water hog
I just washed three loads tonight in the KM TL. I used the optional 2nd rinse for a full load of towels i was doing.
8 rinses in all using the 2nd rinse. 2 sprays per spin at 15 sec. each. Even using a cold rinse to save on hot water still makes me feel just a tad guilty, but well rinsed laundry makes up for the guilt.
Pat
I just washed three loads tonight in the KM TL. I used the optional 2nd rinse for a full load of towels i was doing.
8 rinses in all using the 2nd rinse. 2 sprays per spin at 15 sec. each. Even using a cold rinse to save on hot water still makes me feel just a tad guilty, but well rinsed laundry makes up for the guilt.
Pat
Our old Malber would had two fill/tumble/drains before the first spin.
The SQ front loaders I've seen at laundromats operate the same as a poster described above, filling with fresh water while the drain valve is open. As these units do not have pumps, this just means water enters the tub while at the same time draining away. Should note either not all of the SQ front loaders have this feature, or the owner of the mat has programmed some units differently.
Some commercial front loaders do have spray rinses. Water comes from a hose that sprays water from the front of the door.
Launderess
The SQ front loaders I've seen at laundromats operate the same as a poster described above, filling with fresh water while the drain valve is open. As these units do not have pumps, this just means water enters the tub while at the same time draining away. Should note either not all of the SQ front loaders have this feature, or the owner of the mat has programmed some units differently.
Some commercial front loaders do have spray rinses. Water comes from a hose that sprays water from the front of the door.
Launderess
Steve, that sequence of a spray rinse (suds flush) is/was very common in frontloaders. Westys did this, the Kenmore combos did, ...
Isn't this what the new FriMore's call "Active Rinse Technology"?
Launderess
Launderess
Pat:
Dont know exactly why I bought a F/L because they say here on Long Island if it were to stop raining permanently there is still enough water under the ground to last us 150 years!!!
Enjoy your T/L while you have it! No guilt!! There is nothing like the speed, capacity and convenience of a good old-fashioned water-hog.
The advantages of F/L include ability to wash:
comforters and blankets
sneakers
pillows
coats
The only feature I really miss on a water hog is the ability to soak in bleach..[OMG I just started a war with Europe, LOL]
regards,
Steve
Dont know exactly why I bought a F/L because they say here on Long Island if it were to stop raining permanently there is still enough water under the ground to last us 150 years!!!
Enjoy your T/L while you have it! No guilt!! There is nothing like the speed, capacity and convenience of a good old-fashioned water-hog.
The advantages of F/L include ability to wash:
comforters and blankets
sneakers
pillows
coats
The only feature I really miss on a water hog is the ability to soak in bleach..[OMG I just started a war with Europe, LOL]
regards,
Steve
Launderess, wouldn't it be fun to be the person who sits around thinking up technologically advanced-sounding names for common-as-dirt features on machines?
"Get the redesigned FriGEmore with all-new Velocity-Induced Extraction!" (final spin)
"Get the redesigned FriGEmore with all-new Velocity-Induced Extraction!" (final spin)
They do say that we Americans are one of the best at marketing ..marketing..marketing.
(Or is that B/S hype...B/S hype, B/S hype! LOL)
I went to buy a fluorescent tube/lamp the other day and GE now calls the "Cool" (bluer) and "Warm" (pinker)white colors
"Kitchen and baths" (warm white) and "utlity rooms" (cool white).
They got me on that one. I hang my head in shame ,but I honestly bought thinking i'd get "new & improved"
(Or is that B/S hype...B/S hype, B/S hype! LOL)
I went to buy a fluorescent tube/lamp the other day and GE now calls the "Cool" (bluer) and "Warm" (pinker)white colors
"Kitchen and baths" (warm white) and "utlity rooms" (cool white).
They got me on that one. I hang my head in shame ,but I honestly bought thinking i'd get "new & improved"
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Yep, my WW Dual-Tumble does the "Suds Flush" drain, then the pump shuts off and it begins filling for the first rinse. By the time the second rinse rolls around the water is virtually clear, provided that you didn't oversuds the machine in the first place.
Seems that this cycle sequence doesn't really differ between machines.
Seems that this cycle sequence doesn't really differ between machines.
Good to know. Thank you.
I am trying to recall if Wascomats do this. I am tempted to say no.
Their sequence is--
W-W-R-R-R-SPIN
with a quick extract at the start of each rinse.
I am trying to recall if Wascomats do this. I am tempted to say no.
Their sequence is--
W-W-R-R-R-SPIN
with a quick extract at the start of each rinse.
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The Wascomat Senior and Huebsch "triple-loaders" I've used have that sequence. Pre-Wash, Wash, (Short) Spin, 1st Rinse, (Short) Spin, 2nd Rinse, (Short) Spin, 3rd Rinse, Final Spin. I can't really tell for sure, but I believe the drain valve (these aren't pump-equipped) stays open during the first few seconds of the rinse fills. Will have to check next time.
Can't really remember off the top of my head if the Dexter commercial double-loaders have that same sequence or not...will have to check that too!
--Austin
Can't really remember off the top of my head if the Dexter commercial double-loaders have that same sequence or not...will have to check that too!
--Austin
I think the Dexters are
W-R-R
with an owner "choosable" pre-wash.
IIRC the pre-wash indicator light is sufficiently dark (reddish?) so as not to have visible lettering if/when not illuminated.
The customers then would have no idea that a pre-wash is available.
W-R-R
with an owner "choosable" pre-wash.
IIRC the pre-wash indicator light is sufficiently dark (reddish?) so as not to have visible lettering if/when not illuminated.
The customers then would have no idea that a pre-wash is available.
The commercial washers I've used have all more or less had the same sequence, with a few tweaks here and there.
Ipso washers (the most popular washers found in launderettes here - I read somewhere that they have a market share of over 70% of the British launderettes) follow this sequence: Pre-wash/30 sec spin/Mainwash/Drain/Rinse 1/30 sec spin/Rinse 2/30 sec spin/Rinse 3/3 min spin/1 min fluffdown.
70s Duplex washers used to live in a launderette near me until they were replaced with Ipso WE132's. They didn't reverse the drum (it kept turning clockwise), and did wash/long spin/spray-rinse (it just tumbled the drum with the fill valves and drains open for about 2 or 3 minutes)/spin/deep rinse/final spin. These Duplex washers were from about the 70s; a shame that they replaced them but then from a business point of view they were I guess uneconically viable.
The same launderette also has 2 80s Primuse washers, and 4 Avocado Green Schulthess washers. The sequence on Primus washers is similar to the Ipso (prewash/30 sec spin/wash/30 sec spin/rinse/30 sec spin/rinse/30 sec spin/rinse/3 min spin/fluffing), but the cycle on the Sculthess washers are much more interesting.
The Sculthess washers do prewash/spin/wash/drain/rinse/spin/rinse/spin/rinse/bluing/spin. The unique thing about these machines is the bluing phase at the end of the final rinse. Instead of draining the water through tumbling, it will start to spin the tub when it's still full of water (and the water level comes 3/4 up the window!), it takes about a minute for all the water to eventually drain away from the spinning tub, and once the water is all drained away it will boost the spin from 500rpm approx to about 750rpm. Quite nifty for a bolt-down 70s commercial machine! It does very well at washing and rinsing too.
If I was not too embarassed too I would take pictures
BTW, my AEG does a kind of suds-flush drain too, but after each interim spin. It will turn the drain pump off, fill for 10 seconds, then drain again, then fill for the rinse. I think this is to clear the recirculation pump from any suds, but I'm not entirely sure.
Does anybody else love the "whoooIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" sound commercial washers make when they start to spin? Then the screech as the drum brakes from the spin... Can't beat it!!
Take care all
Jon
Ipso washers (the most popular washers found in launderettes here - I read somewhere that they have a market share of over 70% of the British launderettes) follow this sequence: Pre-wash/30 sec spin/Mainwash/Drain/Rinse 1/30 sec spin/Rinse 2/30 sec spin/Rinse 3/3 min spin/1 min fluffdown.
70s Duplex washers used to live in a launderette near me until they were replaced with Ipso WE132's. They didn't reverse the drum (it kept turning clockwise), and did wash/long spin/spray-rinse (it just tumbled the drum with the fill valves and drains open for about 2 or 3 minutes)/spin/deep rinse/final spin. These Duplex washers were from about the 70s; a shame that they replaced them but then from a business point of view they were I guess uneconically viable.
The same launderette also has 2 80s Primuse washers, and 4 Avocado Green Schulthess washers. The sequence on Primus washers is similar to the Ipso (prewash/30 sec spin/wash/30 sec spin/rinse/30 sec spin/rinse/30 sec spin/rinse/3 min spin/fluffing), but the cycle on the Sculthess washers are much more interesting.
The Sculthess washers do prewash/spin/wash/drain/rinse/spin/rinse/spin/rinse/bluing/spin. The unique thing about these machines is the bluing phase at the end of the final rinse. Instead of draining the water through tumbling, it will start to spin the tub when it's still full of water (and the water level comes 3/4 up the window!), it takes about a minute for all the water to eventually drain away from the spinning tub, and once the water is all drained away it will boost the spin from 500rpm approx to about 750rpm. Quite nifty for a bolt-down 70s commercial machine! It does very well at washing and rinsing too.
If I was not too embarassed too I would take pictures
BTW, my AEG does a kind of suds-flush drain too, but after each interim spin. It will turn the drain pump off, fill for 10 seconds, then drain again, then fill for the rinse. I think this is to clear the recirculation pump from any suds, but I'm not entirely sure.
Does anybody else love the "whoooIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" sound commercial washers make when they start to spin? Then the screech as the drum brakes from the spin... Can't beat it!!
Take care all
Jon
Wascomat has never spun between the main wash and the 1st rinse. It is not even an owner selectable option.
Wasco and SQ/Huebsch are shipped with the default cycle of PW-W-R-R-R-S. The owner options are to kill the pre-wash and/or the 1st rinse. The timer just rapid-advances over these parts. There still is no spin between wash and the rinse.
Dexter is shipped with the default cycle of W-R-R-S, with owner options to add PW and a 3rd rinse.
The only FL commercial washers that spray rinse/suds kill are the domestic washers with a coin slide, along with the really big boys that have a sprayer through the glass door (Unimac). So the SQ Horizon and the Frigemore (GE, Kenmore, Wascomat) are the only ones that actualy spray water onto the load.
Note also that most US laudromats are slow spinning, bolt down machines. I believe that most Euro laundrettes have fast spinning, soft mount machines.
Wasco and SQ/Huebsch are shipped with the default cycle of PW-W-R-R-R-S. The owner options are to kill the pre-wash and/or the 1st rinse. The timer just rapid-advances over these parts. There still is no spin between wash and the rinse.
Dexter is shipped with the default cycle of W-R-R-S, with owner options to add PW and a 3rd rinse.
The only FL commercial washers that spray rinse/suds kill are the domestic washers with a coin slide, along with the really big boys that have a sprayer through the glass door (Unimac). So the SQ Horizon and the Frigemore (GE, Kenmore, Wascomat) are the only ones that actualy spray water onto the load.
Note also that most US laudromats are slow spinning, bolt down machines. I believe that most Euro laundrettes have fast spinning, soft mount machines.
Music to my ears
"whoooIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
LOVE IT!
"whoooIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
LOVE IT!
--> Primuse washers, and 4 Avocado Green Schulthess washers
May I request a link, please?
Might be easier to default to these brands across the pond than here.
(But right now i'm just plain lazy!)
May I request a link, please?
Might be easier to default to these brands across the pond than here.
(But right now i'm just plain lazy!)
