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"For example, the similarly priced Electrolux EFLS617SIW removed 27 percent more stains than this Speed Queen on its Heavy Duty cycle and 13 percent more stains on its Whites cycle. We got similar results from Kenmore, LG, Maytag, and Whirlpool front-loaders"

They used the Whites and Heavy Duty cycles as their comparison. In CR's testing, these machines using the Normal cycle took nearly 2 hours. These Whites and Heavy Duty cycles are likely the same time. Are you going to admit that Reviewed found significantly WORSE results with the 2018 machine? They did. I find it appalling that SQ is stating that the Normal cycle is designed for light soil loads when it is the NORMAL cycle. Imagine a dishwasher being discussed in the same manner. Would you eat off of those dishes? I sure as hell wouldn't.
 
Results

The results speak for themselves when consistent tests are REPEATED and the results are CONTINUOUSLY WORSE. Do you really not understand the point that everyone is making?! People wanted this machine to live up to the standard that SQ was giving it in their introduction. It doesn't. They said that it cleaned 4% better than the 2017, but all results speak otherwise, then SQ releases a statement saying that this cycle is not for soiled clothes but rather dusty ones. Even they are contradicting what they have said. Also, since they are deleting reviews, doesn't that speak volumes?
 
Ok, let's add some facts to the discussion?

In a few weeks I'll receive a box of stain strips for test loads on the new model we will release soon and we made ina hurry because of this speed queen situation.

Can any of those members that sell speed queen washers send me one unit for a few days? It will be my pleasure to run the cycle under controlled environment. I can recreate both D.O.E. and INMETRO (Brazilian standard) tests and measure accuratelly the water and electrical consumption and the cleaning performance (analyzing the samples on a spectrophotometer).

And anybody that wants to follow me is very welcome to come to my lab in Los Angeles and watch it happening right in front of your eyes, only to make sure any of the results were tempered.

Unless speed queen managed to find a way to break hydrodinamics laws, that washer is a POS. (Just like many top load washers) And honestly, it doesn't need a complex testing procedure to realize that. The mechanical action is POOR, almost inexistent, a shame to speed queen because until last year they had wonderful washers that I didn't like because they were too "boring" but I always respected because they had a superior cleaning performance and durability that nobody could dare to deny.

ANd about those reviews... Not stereotyping anybody but what is the average profile of Speed Queen users? Lawyers? Doctors? Executives? After a whole day working in an air conditioned office, they drive their mercedes-benz to their 10 million dollar houses and drop their "nasty" clothes in the washer.

Now do the same with a delivery driver or a landscaper... toss their clothes in a speed queen after a whole day at work... will it clean?

Anyway, I won't speculate. Let's do the test using the official standarized testing procedure? My equipment and consumables are available, I just don't have the washer. The company was going to buy one but seeing some videos I was so sure that washer is a POS that I recommended to abort the idea because it wouldn't be any difficult for me to design a washer much better than speed queen.

Next week the prototype should arrive here for testing... What about if we make a comparison test? I can promess I'll give 1 million dollars to speed queen and put a banner in our website saying Speed Queen is MUCH better than the model Avalon by The Laundry Alternative Inc. if speed queen cleans better than the Avalon using the "normal" cycle.

By the way, the Avalon "Normal" cycle is 29 minutes. it has a decent agitator that reminds a little bit the easy Spiralator, it fills with water up to the top (almost touching the balance ring) and it agitates as a washer should agitate, with slow and long strokes and if that wasn't enough, it has 4 different agitation patterns/ speeds.

As Miranda Pristley says, That's all! 
 
Standarized test is standarized test. 

It has to be the cycle named as "normal", at specific water temperature, with an specific load, an specific way to load the washer and an specific "detergent".

Manufacturers can't simply say "oh, we determined that for testing you must select the heavy duty cycle" It doesn't work like that.
No washer cleans 100% at "normal" cycle. the residual stains determine the cleaning performance score.
The manufacturer also can not say "you must use X detergent and X dose. The detergent is also standarized, so the test can compare models with result fidelity and continuity.

And speed queen will surely have a horrible score, probably the worst ever. That washer doesn't clean as the older speed queens, not even close. And we don't even need a test for that. THe 2018 SQ washers are actually expensive "rinsers" or washers made to remove only light sweat. Stains they will not remove because they don't create enough mechanical action.

It may be great for delicate items, so gentle it is. but again... delicate items often include bras and panties.... and you know panties also have tiremarks or blood stains... will it clean? I doubt! older speed queens, I didn't test, but I'm 99.9999999% sure they will clean perfectly or at least "much-more-than-merely-acceptable".
 
I hesitate to post here but after using the TR5 for months I don't need any further tests to prove that the results that were reported by CR, CNET and such are correct because I have used the max cycle on most everything and yes when I first got the machine I thought it was going to be OK and thought I made a good purchase until I began to notice more and more articles of clothing that didn't come clean no matter what detergent I used and I had never experienced such evidence of this with any other machine. Keep in mind I am talking about every day dirt not 'farming' dirt, but the kind of stuff that happens when you kneel on your jeans, or your white sox get dirty, or you cook and get food on your clothing, even other stuff. I only wish I had pictures to show folks here what I am talking about then you would see why I was one of those people with egg on my face about this purchase because you just would not believe how poorly this machine performed.

At first thought I may be doing something wrong, so I did do smaller loads and that didn't make a difference. I finally came to the conclusion that the wash action just does not scrub the clothes and that if I stopped the machine mid cycle the same articles were on the top and never got dragged down, if you had a wash cloth on top, it just sat there till the end of a 25 minute wash period (yes this machine does do a long wash cycle on max). If you have heavier items like sheets or towels, forget it, nothing moves at all. Everyone here keeps saying 'longer wash time will work', well it didn't with mine. I don't say this because I want to bash SQ, in fact quite the opposite it is very disappointing to me because I had faith that they couldn't possibly put out something so bad and I do feel their product is build very well BUT I also want clean clothes.

The fact that the company is still putting out the propaganda as we saw in this link is sad because I know they are aware of the complaints as I have been informed of this. I appreciate that some want to 'defend' this new machine or SQ and I understand that loyalty BUT if they had the experience first hand that I have had, I believe anyone would then change their mind on this subject. It is my honest hope that some how in the future SQ will address the fact that you do need a better 'wash action' that somewhat scrubs clothes and does not just drag them through water. Using this much water to wash only 5 pairs of jeans as the test on youtube showed is not the normal way that this machine would be used, most people will not waste that much water on only 5 articles. My point is if you use this for a real 'normal' household load the clothes just don't circulate at all. Those posting 'good' reviews on SQ website may change their minds like i did once they use it for a while, or maybe they just don't pay attention to how their clothes that were once clean are now showing residual stains and dirt all over the place. I only post this to give everyone here a look at an actual member who had this bad experience. By the way on the TR7 many of the 'special' cycles are aIlso ECO cycles too, so for SQ to say don't use ECO means half their special cycles shouldn't be used. Also if you read CR report the TR7 results were so bad that they actually DID use the most extensive cycle to RETEST and said it only made a 'small' improvement in cleaning, and that is what I did too with my TR5 trying to soak before washing or even running wash twice, didn't make a difference. As for me I never use ECO cycle. I know there are those here who will probably bash what I wrote here, but I am only showing my personal experience as a means to bring a 'true user' experience to the group here. At this point I honestly think there are many other washers out there that perform much better and cost less. I learned my lesson, high price does not mean clean.....
 
Agitator washers as a whole do not perorm well in CRs tests. Again.... if it was truely about "cleaning tests" nobody would buy them. The ge top load GTW330ASKWW (you know, the one you all like with the big fins on the agitator that is so vigerous it splashes water out of the tub) only got "fair" for cleaning. Why not hostility for that machine then?
 
Ryanm and ThomasOrtega

Both of you, I applaud you. Ryanm, thank you for your honest review. This is exactly what we are discussing here. I would be extremely disappointed in the machine if I had the experience that you have had. ThomasOrtega, I would love to, both, provide you with a machine and travel to LA to witness the tests being performed however I am unable to do either! I also would not be a good candidate for your research since I will reduce the internal validity of the study due to experimenter bias. LMAO!
 
So i give you proof of people i have talked to that said the machine did great and you dismiss it and say "its just a review" yet if its NEGATIVE you are all about reviews. Just proves all you ignorant and biased people on here are all about attacking me. And literally anything i say. And some peoples vandetta against speed queen. In the words of eugene "its going to be a bloid bath" if thats not vandetta i dont know what is. I guess it doesnt matter anyways, all you people on here do is complain how everything modern is basically junk anyways.
 
If I recall correctly, weren't you the one that started this thread to bash us? We also provided you with a review that started good and turned south once clothes started to not come out clean. You dismissed a member's review, not us. By the way, I own all modern machines and prefer them. A majority of us here have a few "modern" machines and love them. You have been the one attacking people about our discussions in regards to the new SQ 2018 TL and the reviews that CR and CNET gave. If you don't want people to disagree with you, don't start a thread on a public forum. It is actually that easy. Nobody wants to be attacked day in and day out, but you are putting yourself in that position. You clearly can't hold an argumentative conversation without feeling attacked. This is an issue. This forum is to spread the JOY of laundry and washers, and to inform and enlighten those who show interests as well. I am very glad to be a part of this forum despite the fact that my views do not line up with everyone's here. However, that is a part of being an adult. Everyone had the right to their opinion and beliefs, HOWEVER, if I can prove that your's is not true with factual information, I will try to enlighten you to have a greater knowledge base. I tried, and so did others. Everyone here wanted these SQ machines to be better than the outgoing ones. We are discussing the issues because we are all disappointed. Hence, why the subject of our discussion is the SQ and not the Fisher and Paykel or the GE.
 
With such a belligerent tone right out of the gate

I agree that threads such as this need their own forum for this sort of angry bickering, perhaps an annex like, Dirty Laundry That Won't Come Clean.

 

I have no skin in this game.  I am not a SQ TL fan, period.  Not even 2017 and older.  I had a Raytheon Amana for nine years, and I learned my lesson. 

 

As for bashing people on this forum who state flatly that vintage top loaders are better than anything new, well, the home page here clearly explains why that should come as no surprise.  Of the non-pay forums, Deluxe sees the least traffic by a wide margin.
 

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