SQ water usage
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Like Mr B said
"Someone needs to invent a standalone unit that would convert and washing machine into a suds saving unit. Amazed it hasn't happened already. "
Those pedestals under a unit could be designed as a holding tank for recycling the water therefore not taking up any more room. Hmmm, that gives me an idea!
"Someone needs to invent a standalone unit that would convert and washing machine into a suds saving unit. Amazed it hasn't happened already. "
Those pedestals under a unit could be designed as a holding tank for recycling the water therefore not taking up any more room. Hmmm, that gives me an idea!
"Those pedestals under a unit could be designed as a holding tank for recycling the water therefore not taking up any more room. Hmmm, that gives me an idea!"
Don't they already have some kind of reservoir tank in dishwashers to catch the clean rinse water and recycle that for the next new load of dirty dishes? In front loaders one could easily use the last rinse water (without conditioner) or saved warm suds for a pre-wash fill. Even top loaders could incorporate a water recycling reservoir that might also act as part of the tub balancing system. I could have sworn that Simpson had a top loader decades ago, which did hold suds in a reservoir tank underneath the washbowl. It wouldn't surprise me if they did come up with something like that in the future and brand it as "new and revolutionary".
Don't they already have some kind of reservoir tank in dishwashers to catch the clean rinse water and recycle that for the next new load of dirty dishes? In front loaders one could easily use the last rinse water (without conditioner) or saved warm suds for a pre-wash fill. Even top loaders could incorporate a water recycling reservoir that might also act as part of the tub balancing system. I could have sworn that Simpson had a top loader decades ago, which did hold suds in a reservoir tank underneath the washbowl. It wouldn't surprise me if they did come up with something like that in the future and brand it as "new and revolutionary".
The quoted SQ numbers of concern may be for a full cycle ... wash fill, rinse fill, & any spin-sprays involved.
As I've said above, Fagor and Electrolux had a washer that stored rinse water (before the softening rinse) for the next wash. The Lux model was quite a while ago, but the Fagor was fairly recent. The Reason washing machine also had a holding tank underneath the drum - not sure if it recycled the water, though.
"The quoted SQ numbers of concern may be for a full cycle ... wash fill, rinse fill, & any spin-sprays involved."
That would make sense for the mini and small fills, but not for the medium and extra large figures quoted.
That would make sense for the mini and small fills, but not for the medium and extra large figures quoted.
"As I've said above, Fagor and Electrolux had a washer that stored rinse water (before the softening rinse) for the next wash. The Lux model was quite a while ago, but the Fagor was fairly recent. The Reason washing machine also had a holding tank underneath the drum - not sure if it recycled the water, though."
Instead of experimenting around with nearly waterless top and front loaders, maybe engineers should look to the past and learn from previous experience.
On another note, what I really liked about my suds saving Westinghouse top loader was the level of control I had over the entire laundry process. It was completely automated, but, at the same time, I was able to control and change every step of the cycle to what I wanted, which is next to impossible with most modern machines.
Instead of experimenting around with nearly waterless top and front loaders, maybe engineers should look to the past and learn from previous experience.
On another note, what I really liked about my suds saving Westinghouse top loader was the level of control I had over the entire laundry process. It was completely automated, but, at the same time, I was able to control and change every step of the cycle to what I wanted, which is next to impossible with most modern machines.
Doing the math, a full-fill TL with SudsSave is STILL not as efficent as a HE FL.
The TL can cut out about one fill. For the SQ, that's about 19 gal. So we'd have 3 full fills needed (wash water and 2 rinse water fillings). So 2 usual loads need just about 60 gal.
A modern FL needs 10-15gal at most for one cycle. So, down to 20-30gal for 2 loads. That is 1/3 to 1/2 of the water, even with suds saveing.
Even if one would use the WP Resource saver spray rinse system on top, you'd use about 40gal for 2 loads. Still, at least 10gal more.
It isn't that efficent. It make a TL a bit more efficent. But not anywhere near HE. And if I take the diverter valve, the additional pump for pumping back (given you don't use a DD pump), that adds a lot of production costs. And If one would add the RS rinsing, you'd need even more parts. And you still need a laundry tub. Or you'd have to fit the storage tank into the machine which makes the mechanism even more complicated.
I really don't see why a FL isn't smart just because it's simpler. Being smart dosen't mean makeing it more complicated.
The TL can cut out about one fill. For the SQ, that's about 19 gal. So we'd have 3 full fills needed (wash water and 2 rinse water fillings). So 2 usual loads need just about 60 gal.
A modern FL needs 10-15gal at most for one cycle. So, down to 20-30gal for 2 loads. That is 1/3 to 1/2 of the water, even with suds saveing.
Even if one would use the WP Resource saver spray rinse system on top, you'd use about 40gal for 2 loads. Still, at least 10gal more.
It isn't that efficent. It make a TL a bit more efficent. But not anywhere near HE. And if I take the diverter valve, the additional pump for pumping back (given you don't use a DD pump), that adds a lot of production costs. And If one would add the RS rinsing, you'd need even more parts. And you still need a laundry tub. Or you'd have to fit the storage tank into the machine which makes the mechanism even more complicated.
I really don't see why a FL isn't smart just because it's simpler. Being smart dosen't mean makeing it more complicated.
arbilab
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No worries. There are too many variables to support "one right way". Like say, one might suds-save their way through an entire week of 'office' clothes. Less likely, athletic wear and UNlikely, trade wear (mechanics et al).
When we visited grandma (fullsize TT) she washed for 7 in one suds fill but nothing was 'really' dirty. OTOH when sissy wet the bed that was a whole load unto itself (grandma got a little irked).
I'm pretty eco myself. Probly shouldn't have used the N-suffix, sensitivities being what they can be. Aimed at g'ments dictating how little water they can spare for hygiene. Trend however, seems that mfrs make a g'ment cycle to satisfy numb numbers then alternate cycles that behave more like a machine intended to CLEAN something.
Alas, buyers are left to tiptoe through the shards to find what actually works. The less agile left with grayer whites and.... what IS that smell?
When we visited grandma (fullsize TT) she washed for 7 in one suds fill but nothing was 'really' dirty. OTOH when sissy wet the bed that was a whole load unto itself (grandma got a little irked).
I'm pretty eco myself. Probly shouldn't have used the N-suffix, sensitivities being what they can be. Aimed at g'ments dictating how little water they can spare for hygiene. Trend however, seems that mfrs make a g'ment cycle to satisfy numb numbers then alternate cycles that behave more like a machine intended to CLEAN something.
Alas, buyers are left to tiptoe through the shards to find what actually works. The less agile left with grayer whites and.... what IS that smell?
maylingsmom
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I have received 2 water bills since getting my Speed Queen. When comparing usage in the last 3 bills (pre SQ + post SQ), I have seen no more water usage than before. My previous machine was GE Adora and was supposedly an HE but with the agitator. I had to use the full rinse cycle due to poor agitation and the spray rinse wasn't getting soap out. BTW, I believe the spray rinse on my SQ is pretty good but I do use the fill rinse on an everyday basis.
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