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There are actual studies on the subject

And they come to these conclusions:

1) At 0°C you can store STPP in water and it remains STPP.

2) At 20ºC the disappearance of STPP in water follows first order kinetics.

I'm not posting all the conditions, methodologies, etc. so if you want them, do the research yourself - but:

Worst case (that open cardboard box next to the disgusting garbage pail under the wet, dripping sink) it will have, thanks to the exponential increase in degradation, all turned into something else as fast as I keep saying it will. A few weeks and it's basically TSP.

I stopped posting links when I realized people don't believe two plus two is four when they don't want to, but here's one site where a study may be bought - first page is free. It's enough for those who do actually believe 2 + 2 = 4.

All the other studies I have found come to the same conclusion.

 

So, yes, if your STPP was always properly stored and you were really cautious with it then you can keep it for quite a while. Just, from everything I've read around here and elsewhere, if you've kept that 5 Kilo bag around for a few years anywhere but in the Arizona dessert - congratulations, you've been using TSP. Not to worry, though - it's a very good cleaner. So good, in fact, until a few decades ago it was the reason we had such clean clothes despite US washers having had such short cycles.

 

And, yes, since this seems to be vraiment important, TSP doesn't chelate hard water minerals out like STPP does. I love STPP, use it all the time - but dislike people pretending 2+2 doesn't = 4 just 'cause they don't like me.

 

Sheesh. I'd put any current detergent with the addition of TSP up against one without and guarantee the addition would improve the removal of body oils and cooking/automotive oils noticeably. 

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/i360018a001
 
Panthera, I have used better part of a 20 pound bag of STPP that took some work to disolve...so this could have decomposed into TSP if I'm reading you correctly...well I gotta say my clothes were wonderfully clean, fresh, and soft...LOL.....Cheryl
 
Well, Panth, I still have a couple of 50 lb sacks of STPP I bought about 15 years ago - kept relatively cool and dry in plastic bins.

As I said earlier, I have a hard water well and I can easily test the ability of the STPP I have left to see if it still keeps hard water minerals suspended and not precipitated. It's a qualitative measurement, but I think a fairly good indication of STPP's chelating and complexing capability (forming chelated complexes with hard water minerals is what gives STPP its magic powers).

I have no argument that storing STPP wet is a very bad idea. I just don't buy, without some solid evidence, that storing it dry is going to result in turning it to TSP.
 
I've had mine for years, slowly using it up. I dumped it into a tub with a lid when I got it from the Chemistry Store a few years ago. It's not lumpy, dissolves immediately and does a good job.

On the other hand, I have become used to having a great detergent with the Phosphate already built-in. Uses only 1/2 cup per full top-load, makes NO suds, smells just like the old "Lemon Fresh FAB". And is cheaper to use per load than granular tide.

https://worldwidejanitor.com/laundr...-p-302?zenid=b897aeb1b6af93eee47d87f76a992ed2
 
Rich,

If anybody could store it properly, you are the type who could. The fact that nearly everyone else on the planet does not is the whole reason Automatic Detergent boxes containing the stuff warned not to keep it around too long, the whole reason commercial cleaners with it warn about proper storage.

Come on, you're just being combative out of personal reasons. I've provide the scientific basis for my assertions, it's silly to mix personal feelings with fact. 

 

STPP has wonderful cleaning abilities, I use it. But - this 'TSP' is of no value as a laundry/dish cleanser is just plain wrong. I've never had the problems with it which are theoretically possible. Water chemistry plays a role in that. So does accepting that STPP doesn't remain STPP for long unless stored with great care. 
 
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