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There's a difference in how the markets were structured. In the old days in Europe telecommunications were generally seen as a public utility. The history of it goes back to the dawn of telephone services.

The history here (and it's part of UK history too as we were part of the UK until 1922) was that the early networks were private and were subsequently nationalised and rolled into the GPO's telegraph operations. It made some sense as the early companies were somewhat chaotic and there were issues around reliability and lack of interconnection and also the GPO had long routes for telegraph cables already in place and an international network. When the telephone services began to be seen as essential national infrastructure, there was a move to put them on the same basis as the telegraph system.

They remained like that until the 1980s.

The present day approach in Europe is regulated competition with heavy focus on preventing monopolies developing. The approach here for example deems a number of larger players to be 'incumbents', which is defined by their market share basically or by their having a monopoly over some aspect of access infrastructure. Once they're deemed to be an 'incumbent' they have to open (at regulated commercial rates) their access infrastructure networks which (here at least) includes wholesale access to networks on a virtual / logical basis and also unbundling of physical infrastructure (physical wiring networks, ducts, poles, central offices etc)

If you take this market, which is quite small (5 million people so the size of a mid sized US state) there are 4 large fixed line access companies (fibre / copper / cable), at least 10 companies providing significant long distance fibre networks within Ireland, umpteen different international fibre networks, various companies doing wholesale voice services (about 25+), at least 25 ISPs, various small local wireless ISPs (wISPs) providing voice and data in rural areas, 3 infrastructural mobile networks and about 10 MVNOs, a couple of cable operators, and you've all sorts of white label providers and companies assembling services by buying white label services - so you could end up buying your broadband and mobile from a supermarket chain under their own brand, multiple cable and cable-like IPTV providers.

We've a history of small local cable operators (going back to the 1960s) which evolved into small local ISP/telcos that were quite present in the 1990s. You'd various small towns with their own mom & pop scale cable companies offering broadband. Almost all of those were 'hoovered up' by Liberty Global in recent years and combined into Virgin Media.

Also, cable operators played a huge role in the cities and wiped the floor with the old Telecom operator back in the 1990s, so in cities like Dublin the dominant operator is actually Virgin Media / Liberty Global (cable operator) not the old PSTN players. If anything they're now trying very hard to 'win back' long lost customers to using FTTH offerings.

Internet infrastructure here also hasn't revolved around the old telco monopolies. The key interconnection infrastructure is mostly operated by industry owned associations. So for example, the INEX (Irish Neutral Exchange) and a couple of smaller regional ones like CIX (Cork Internet Exchange)operates multiple nodes where the vast majority of our national internet traffic is interconnected through data centres with high capacity peering with all the ISPs, major content providers, long distance fibre operators etc etc. That infrastructure is owned largely by its members i.e. all the ISPs and telcos who use it to interconnect.

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The other big historical difference was there was no European AT&T/Bell System equivalent - a few of the bigger old national telcos tried to be that but didn't have the scale to vertically integrate. The result of that was you'd a very healthy raft of independent telecommunication equipment makers in Europe that evolved over the decades and were pretty innovative. It's where the likes of Ericsson, Nokia, and also many of the ITT affiliates grew up. As well as a raft of companies (or former subsidiaries) that are now merged into bigger players like Siemens Networks, Alcatel, Marconi and others.

The GSM open standards for example grew out of that kind of need for interpretability across multiple players, multiple countries and telcos that didn't want to be bound to a single supplier and were part of that philosophy of regulated, standardised but highly competitive environments.

It's a different commercial history but the market in Europe is not dominated by PTTs and hasn't been in decades. There was competition, its just in different areas and also EU countries are (with a few exceptions) more on the scale of mid sized U.S. states. So their historical PTTs were comparable to at most one is the “baby Bells.” Even the largest of them weren’t anything like the scale of Ma Bell.

You’ve also got a lot of layers of regulation. There’s a broader EU regulation framework around anti-trust, interoperability, technical standards and the broader European telecommunications market and then you’ve 27 national regulators doing their own thing with in that framework.
Where Europe still falls down is the EU wide market is still highly fragmented. Some good moves in recent years like mandating pan-EU voice and data roaming (you can use your plan anywhere in the EU (and a few other countries) and a lot of wholesale stuff is pan-EU but most services are very much sold and regulated locally within one EU member state. [this post was last edited: 5/23/2022-10:46]
 
City fibre

Is set to take on the likes of Virgin and BT and we are watching them dig up the street ! It is meant to be the fastest upto 1000mps and its meant cost a 3rd of what we normally pay !! So we wait to hear from them as to when it is possible to connect to it...? Lincoln is the 2nd city to have the infrastructure for this.
 
I’ve been lucky enough to be passed by two FTTH networks and cable, opens some options but the prices here are still about €50 / month for fibre.
 
The introduction of 5G has been postponed in the Netherlands due to the frequency it uses. The same frequency is used by the big ears that are located in the northern part of the Netherlands and that are partly used for intelligence purposes. They are used to get information about the situation in Ukrain too. These big ears (there are 40 of them) were supposed to be moved, but I guess the move will be delayed due to the war.

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The issue isn’t all 5G services, it’s specifically the 3.5Ghz C band frequencies that are used by certain satellite services.

I’ve just been looking at the frequencies my iPhone has been on 5G with here. Seems to be a mix of 1800 MHz the old GSM 1800 (DCS) band and on 700 MHz which was vacated by terrestrial UHF long gone analogue (PAL I) and current generation digital (DVB-T [NorDig]) television which has been pushed into a narrower set of frequencies to make way for more 5G.

We released those UHF bands earlier than planned to maximise bandwidth during the pandemic and ensure people has work from home fall back options if they didn’t have fibre / cable.

5G bands: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G_NR_frequency_bands
(Many of these are already established for 2G, 3G and 4G)

NorDig TV spec: https://nordig.org/
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Wow, has it really been almost 3 years?

 

I watched a new cell tower go up a quarter-mile away from home as the crow flies and apparently it's the tower I'm now connected to.

 

When this speed test was run, the TV was streaming 4K video from the Roku Ultra, Firefox on the MacBook Air was streaming History Channel live and the Philo app on the iPhone was also streaming The History Channel.  Cathy is watching YouTube videos on her MacBook Air, so the connection was getting pretty hammered.

 

About the only thing the connection might be weak at is social gaming but neither of us do that.

 

Further evidence is that T-Mobile's coverage map says we're in a 5G Ultra Wideband neighborhood and T-Mobile says I have the best plan for my monitored usage.  Also, the gateway has been switched to 5G-only mode possibly meaning the tower is 5G-only.  If this tower did fail, the gateway will probably go back to the one in the photo above.

 

Nobody's offering fiber on our street and very likely never will with this and Spectrum as the major high-speed internet competition.  Best offer from AT&T is 25Mbps DSL.

 

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"Best offer from AT&T is 25Mbps DSL."

AT&T, Verizon and rest are doing all they can to get away from POTS (copper) landline telephone service. That means also DSL will go with end of such service.

Those who cannot (or will not) choose between VOIP, fiber, 5G, cable or whatever else are likely to be left cold. FTC and many states have given phone company their blessings in retiring copper if certain conditions are met. Those in rural areas may have more protections, but never the less it is clear POTS is going away.

Across the pond countries in Europe such as France (IIRC) are getting rid of POTS by state initiative, so people don't have a choice but to sign up for a new type of service.

Thing is in USA POTS service was and still is regulated as a public utility both at federal and usually state level. 5G, fiber and others are not and Verizon, AT&T along with rest have spent millions lobbying Congress and FTC (among others) to prevent Internet and other bits of new technology falling under regulation as public utilities.

Biden's infrastructure bill contained billions for high speed internet access and other things to bring USA into 21st century on that score. This includes pots of money for low income, rural and others to make new technology affordable. Communication companies such as Verizon are eager to get their mitts on that money, but don't want any restrictions. For instance none of them want federal government to formally define what constitutes high speed internet.
 
 
We tried the cable service (same that I have here) at mom's for a while.  Frequent outages, sister couldn't deal with it for working remotely.  Switched mom to the local (independently-owned) teleco, which has fiber optic all over there.  The cost is higher for less stated speed and they require customers rent modem/router equipment from them ... but it is much more stable.

The cable service is good for me here, but one of the service guys on a call-out to mom's place said they haven't invested as much into the system infrastructure there (smaller town) as here. 

They've forced a service plan upgrade a couple times, from 100mbps to 200mbs to 300mbps.  I get 330+ on SpeedTest.  They've sent a few solicitations for 700mbps upgrade, I don't need it but they'll probably force it at some point.

I dropped POTS in Sept 2021.
 

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