The Case of the Mystery Hoover 61

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fnelson487

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OK - This is the first time I have started a thread. I took a beauty shot of that chrome 61. Did a little tune-up and took a picture with the 6200 tool set which goes beautifully. This machine would have been sold with the 6100 set with the braided hose. First question Mr. Hooverland Jeff - was the belt on the 61 different than the Convertible. I stopped at the Hoover Store today and that's what they gave me but it appears too short. Jeff - what is the serial number range on these machines? I think this was stripped of it's paint and buffed up. I don't think that they were sold this way.
 
Ask and ye shall recieve

Fred,
I can definately tell you that 61 was not sold that way new. I can tell from the pic the bumper is not original, and that beautiful polished aluminum is the work of a vac shop.
Someone spent ALOT of time making that 61 look like that.
Its beautiful!
Now for stats:
Model 61 was in production from August 1946 to January 1950, replaced my model 62. By itself it sold new for $89, with tools $107
Total sold: 383,972 units. The serial numbers start at 1,300,001 and end at 1,687,300. The end number in my book is hard to read.
I have an extra set of 6100 tool I will be happy to give you.
Jeff
 
serial numbers

Its fun to have all those numbers and see where they fall in the run.
Not sure how many 61's they made at a time, but at the same time they were also cranking out model 28's as fast as they could too.
In the first 60,000, Its reasonable to guess thats the first 9 months or so of production.
 
OOPS belts

Fred I forgot about the belts!
Today model 61 would use belt #49258, the standard convertible belt.
years ago there was a larger belt for the 60-61-62-63-64 and 29, they standardized and went to just the 49258 belt when they started shipping cleaners from the factory with the belts attached.
I have more info on this to show you when I see you.
 
The original belt

Jeff,
I had trouble posting earlier about the original belt that went to almost everything pre the 31 and 65 and all the later models.

That earlier one was #44783. I have been told that it was slightly thicker than the later one. I have a bunch of those but I do not use them as they are too hard the bearings.

I did tell Fred I would bring him some next month so he would have some original belts for those earlier models. I use the standard convertible belts and Eureka belts and I leave them unconnected unless I use the vacuum regularly since the pull on the bearings is just too much for those old babies.
 
I have a similar vac to the first one in the lineupa 425 or something -always forget what its # was. Got it from a neighbor in my area.Was his mothers.-and got a #28 from him. Both work well.
 
belts

Charlie,
The 44783 has a slightly smaller diameter, but is also much softer than the 49258.
Today the 44783 is specified as the lightweight commercial belt.
I use 49258's for everything, they stand up to the all bristle brush rolls I like so much.
I used the stretched out ones on the older cleaners, and on my Sanitaires.
Believe it or not, a stretched out Convertible belt gives awesome service on a Sanitaire!
 
Fred that 61 is just beautiful. Can't remember if you have told us where you got this beauty or not. One would just wonder why someone would go to the effort that it must have taken to do this. Terry
 
Softer?

Jeff,
It sure doesn't seem softer but I trust you on what you say. Those 44783s seem really tuff but the ones I have are later models direct from the factory and maybe after a few turns they get softer!

I did try to use the Kirby Omega Miracle Head last night, (ON THE CARPET!), and the belt snapped within less than 60 seconds. It was an older, original belt and I guess it had to happen. Horay, that Kirby still makes the orignal belt for that machine and for that attachment.
 
Beautiful machines Fred and Greg! I know you guy`s are really proud of these and who wouldn`t be?
 
Beautiful 61s Greg

With everything I saw during the gathering at your house, my attention was drawn to all the fabulous washers, dryers and dishwashers and all the great people. When I was in that part of the basement (now I remember you had one at the bottom of the stairs) I was waaay to preoccupied with that fabulously organized set of appliance literature you have. Those are beautiful. It is hard to find them in that kind of condition since the paint is usually scraped somewhere along the way. All of your toys are well-kept and organized. What a great kid you must have been.
 
I too was amazed to have found both 61's within a few months of each other, and come to think of it, both at houses in relatively the same area of town. One of the attachments sets had been nailed to a wall in the basement but I ripped it down and dragged it home. I haven't brought home that many vintage vacs, are you implying they aren't all this nice? ;-)
 
Indeed Greg

That's the fun about vintage vacs to find them in pristine condition or restore them to pristine condition. We do those restorations the same way you do with the washers, etc. Sometimes it takes a few machines to make one good one. I know collectors who get the old machines and pile them up all over unrestored. Yuk! Nothing worse than a dirty old sweeper. I was trying to determine if you were thinking I said all of YOUR stuff was not that nice. Absolutely not! Everything I saw at your house was perfect. Great job!
 
No, no... I thought all vintage vacs should be found in mint condition - joking of course. I've done nothing to one of the 61's pictured, but I did disassemble, clean and restore the other (with the replacement bag). The other one I've never even touched, dusted it and put it downstairs - I don't think I've ever plugged it in! Thanks so much for your glowing compliments on my collections, if you were here now you'd have a different tune to sing however - I've sort of let things slip a bit...
 
Hey Terry

I think I did tell the story of how I got the machine pictured at the top of this thread. I must have been walking up Ventura Blvd (highly unusual activity in LA) down the street from where I lived in LA and passed the local vac shop. What did I spy but this beauty lined up with some other rebuilt vacs. These machines were literally indestructible and many times rebuilt. Hoover did that for years and labeled the rebuilt machines Special. That term was later used for the lower-end convertibles. I have a pristine pink 32 Special. Anyway, imagine in 1999 a fifty year old machine being sold for commercial use. It has a replacement hood, bumper, cord and shake-out bag (which I replaced with an original Handisac cloth bag, all-in-all a beautiful matched set. I think I paid $79.00 for it and it runs like the day it came out of North Canton in 1946-47.

I understand that the machines of this era were built so well, that when they were sold rebuilt by vac shops, they would cut into new Hoover sales. I am not exactly sure of the story, some old-timers tell them, but I understand that Hoover reps would get their hands on these machines and take a sledgehammer to them to make sure they got off the market. Now, of course, they sell plastic machines that self-destruct so the the average life of a vacuum is something like 7 years. I am still in awe of how these machines were built and their ease of service. Replaceable ball bearings, etc. etc. As well as a thing of beauty - all in the eye of the beholder, but I sure do appreciate the craftsmenship and quality, and mourn the loss of the pride in quality that we see in today's Hoovers. When I stopped at the Hoover store, it was a sea of colored plastic - Yuk.
 
built like tanks

Times have changed, when that Hoover 61 was sold, you were buying a vacuum to last a lifetime. Today you're not even out of the store before they want to sell you another. I think thats the mentality of many companies today, even those who make washers.
The average life of a vacuum today is 19 months...

I get a laugh out of my mom, every time I go to my parents house my mom asks me to check the bag and belt on her vacuum, a 2000 model Hoover Elite. She loves her hoover, and treats it like it were made of gold. To others its plastic and un-interesting, to mom its a HOOVER, and she's damn proud of it.
 
19 months-at first it was 3-5 years for modern ones-19 mo is pathetic.No wonder why they are called "Dumpster vacs" at vac shops and by hi end vac salesman.Insted of fixing them-folks throw them into the dumpster and buy another-the cycle continues--Its to the point you won't have to change the bag in them-you throw out the vac with the full bag and buy another-sort of like a disposable camera!
 
What a neat story Fred. You must have been very excited the day you found it. It really makes one sad too when I go to Sears, Walmart, Kmart, or vacuum shops and see nothing but this cheap platic stuff that we all know won't be around for long. Terry
 
Beautiful machine...reminds me of the 60's commercial Hoovers (can't remember the model numbers right now...900-something?), except shinier. I can't believe you found that machine in a vac shop, fully restored! Interesting that Hoover reps would "krush" these machines in an effort to stop sales...but I bet they didn't realize that the Convertible machines would last just as long (assuming this happened in the 1960's or 1970's)!

I don't even bother looking at the vacuum departments anymore. Hoover's quality dropped, IMHO, when they released that AWFUL Elite line. I do have to admit, I don't really care much for the plastic-body Convertibles. At least on the machine I had (an orange 1980's model...near-BOL), there was a metal brush cover and fan chamber. But give me a metal-body any day!!
 
plastic yes, BUT

I'm seeing it now, and I still don't believe it.
Beginning in the late 80's Hoover dated everything, with the date being the first 4 digits of the serial number.
I always see Elites, and lately I have seen quite a few old ones, 1988 models, the year the Elites came out.
17 years old, plastic, and still in use, and in decent shape. Some people do still take care of things too.
Who would believe an Elite would last almost 20 years in regular use?
 
Soft & Light

Sounds more like the name of a yogurt than a vacuum...LOL! I think they should change it to "Cheap & Light" instead...
 
LOL

Cheap and light is right. Unfortunately it looks better in the pic than in real life, not that it's scruffed up or anything because it isn't..you just have to look at it and you can almost hear and see the brittle plastic ready to crack that's how cheap it is. Look at that hose...does that look like it's got any flex in it,, nope, hard and inflexible it is.
 
The vacuum pictured is the same model my mom has...

Who's ever Soft & Light that is, my mom has the same machine. Yes we see it as a plastic thing not worth our time. My mom is as proud of that machine as we might be of a brand new model 29 or 63...
I cringe everytime I have to work on it...however it serves a purpose. Mom will be 82 this year, and that Hoover Elite is just right for her to handle. AND it picks up dirt too!
 
The Soft & Light's mine I picked it up thrifting, the usual jammed full of dirt bag and, brushroll wrapped tightly with strings, cotton, hair, etc. Now that it's fixed it certainly does vacuum well albeit very noisy and with the shortest cord I've ever seen on a vacuum at about 8-9 feet. That could be a replacement I'm not sure. I haven't really used it only briefly. It does however make a good comparison of what was and what you get now.. still for some people they don't want anything fancier or more expensive..my mom for example has just turned 81 herself,,she needed a new vac a couple of years ago..actually I decided for her when I could see the carpet was coated in dog har, sister mentioned it too. As hard as it was to do I got her the BOL Panasonc at about $99, plain and simple, no onboard attachments either. That's tough to do when you're a vac/gadget nut, settle for the plain jane model..LOL
 
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