matchboxpaul
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and in colour ....
excuse the sheep (the image is from a Ariel wool advert) ...
excuse the sheep (the image is from a Ariel wool advert) ...
The Creda/Electra Mission.
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matchboxpaul
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Back to the 10700 ....
... (p.s the wool advert with the 12000 in was for Persil, not Ariel).
The advert below is from January 1980, right at the start of the 10700 being on sale ....
... (p.s the wool advert with the 12000 in was for Persil, not Ariel).
The advert below is from January 1980, right at the start of the 10700 being on sale ....
matchboxpaul
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and another one ...
matchboxpaul
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and fnally ....
I think the 37405 should get a look in too (again January 1980)!
All the best people - have a great New Years Day.
Paul
I think the 37405 should get a look in too (again January 1980)!
All the best people - have a great New Years Day.
Paul
Thanks for posting those Paul.
You've prompted a couple more questions from me.
The advert for the 10700 says "Hot and Cold fill" . I lost my installation instructions, and have never found out how to rewire it for cold fill only. It hasn't mattered much as I simply used a 'Y' piece from a cold mains feed. But can it run cold fill only by rewiring the inlet valves?
How fast did the "RS" version 10800 spin? What extra features did it have relative to the 10700?
My memory tells me we got out 10700 when it came out, or at least soon after. But memory from so long ago isn't relaiable. Did I get it in 1980, or later? We definitely had it for a number of years prior to 1987, because my mother died that year. But now my memory is playing tricks on me. Can anyone tell from my serial number, when my 10700 dates from?
You've prompted a couple more questions from me.
The advert for the 10700 says "Hot and Cold fill" . I lost my installation instructions, and have never found out how to rewire it for cold fill only. It hasn't mattered much as I simply used a 'Y' piece from a cold mains feed. But can it run cold fill only by rewiring the inlet valves?
How fast did the "RS" version 10800 spin? What extra features did it have relative to the 10700?
My memory tells me we got out 10700 when it came out, or at least soon after. But memory from so long ago isn't relaiable. Did I get it in 1980, or later? We definitely had it for a number of years prior to 1987, because my mother died that year. But now my memory is playing tricks on me. Can anyone tell from my serial number, when my 10700 dates from?
matchboxpaul
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Hi Peter.
Will have a go at answering your questions, though others know more details than I do. Will have a go.
Done a bit of digging re the hot and cold fill vs cold fill.
The 10700 is convertible to cold fill only and (others correct me here) its generally a case of removing a terminal connection from the hot solenoid and fixing it to the cold solenoid ..... or something like that anyway.
Don't go experimenting, based on my waffle
Report from Ideal Home 1980 report, giving some details of the 10700 and its Hoover competitor - confirms as convertible to cold fill only ...
Will have a go at answering your questions, though others know more details than I do. Will have a go.
Done a bit of digging re the hot and cold fill vs cold fill.
The 10700 is convertible to cold fill only and (others correct me here) its generally a case of removing a terminal connection from the hot solenoid and fixing it to the cold solenoid ..... or something like that anyway.
Don't go experimenting, based on my waffle
Report from Ideal Home 1980 report, giving some details of the 10700 and its Hoover competitor - confirms as convertible to cold fill only ...
matchboxpaul
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10700 vs 10800
the 10700 had the following:
> 1000rpm spin
> synthetics button (read slow spin - reduced from 1000 to 600rpm)
> economy 75 button (reduced programmes 1 and 9 from 95deg to 75deg)
the 10800 had the following:
> 'Rhythm' 1000rpm spin (spins up to 1000rpm in stages, increasing the speed in stages, with pauses in between to redistribute the load, tumbling back and forth)
> time save button (cuts out one of the rinses and deletes the 'Rhythm' spin style)
> hold button (read spin delay - final spin held off, with clothes left in water until button released)
> synthetics button (read slow spin - reduced from 1000to 600rpm)
> mains neon light
> variable temperature dial
Creda had a bit of an unusual range to be honest and were seemingly playing a different game to their competitors, in that they only had three models, all with 1000rpm spin speed.
With Creda, their machines were differentiated on options only, whereas most of the opposition also made a much bigger thing of spin speed.
Going from one of the adverts I posted earlier, methinks they were going for a bit more of a quality market slant than flooding the market with machines, but they cut themselves out of the 800rpm market and fully loaded their 'mid-range' model.
Hoover at the time had 6 front loaders .... a budget 500 machine and a budget 800 machine, followed by 2 'standard' 800 machines (feature tweaked to differentiate them), followed by 2 ' de luxe' 1100 rpm machines (one dial controlled, the other microchip controlled).
Hotpoint and many other manufacturers had a similarly expansive range.
Whether Creda's strategy was a good one .... without the figures, I can't accurately comment BUT there was certainly scope within their three machine range for a range of at least five models, with an 800rpm version of the 10700 and also a machine in-between the 10700 and 10800 - the gap between the 10700 and 10800 has always struck me as rather a big one. The 12000 would have remained top of the range.
the 10700 had the following:
> 1000rpm spin
> synthetics button (read slow spin - reduced from 1000 to 600rpm)
> economy 75 button (reduced programmes 1 and 9 from 95deg to 75deg)
the 10800 had the following:
> 'Rhythm' 1000rpm spin (spins up to 1000rpm in stages, increasing the speed in stages, with pauses in between to redistribute the load, tumbling back and forth)
> time save button (cuts out one of the rinses and deletes the 'Rhythm' spin style)
> hold button (read spin delay - final spin held off, with clothes left in water until button released)
> synthetics button (read slow spin - reduced from 1000to 600rpm)
> mains neon light
> variable temperature dial
Creda had a bit of an unusual range to be honest and were seemingly playing a different game to their competitors, in that they only had three models, all with 1000rpm spin speed.
With Creda, their machines were differentiated on options only, whereas most of the opposition also made a much bigger thing of spin speed.
Going from one of the adverts I posted earlier, methinks they were going for a bit more of a quality market slant than flooding the market with machines, but they cut themselves out of the 800rpm market and fully loaded their 'mid-range' model.
Hoover at the time had 6 front loaders .... a budget 500 machine and a budget 800 machine, followed by 2 'standard' 800 machines (feature tweaked to differentiate them), followed by 2 ' de luxe' 1100 rpm machines (one dial controlled, the other microchip controlled).
Hotpoint and many other manufacturers had a similarly expansive range.
Whether Creda's strategy was a good one .... without the figures, I can't accurately comment BUT there was certainly scope within their three machine range for a range of at least five models, with an 800rpm version of the 10700 and also a machine in-between the 10700 and 10800 - the gap between the 10700 and 10800 has always struck me as rather a big one. The 12000 would have remained top of the range.
matchboxpaul
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p.s ignore the 850rpm top spin speed of the 10800 shown above. It's wrong - was deffo 1000rpm.
matchboxpaul
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The weirdness of Creda's range policy is exemplified by a model shown in the page below.
Have a gander at the Electrolux WH34 - would have filled the gap between he 10700 and the 10800 perfectly.
I emphasise the word 'perfectly' because the WH34 is, quite literally, a 10800 without the variable temperature, built in Blythe Bridge by Creda (on the same production line as the 10700/10800 and 12000) for Electrolux.
The WH34 was offered as Electrolux's top of the range machine, until they jumped into bed with Zanussi.
To rub salt into the would, Electrolux then retailed the WH34 'around' £9 cheaper than the 10700!
I am sure Creda could have been so much bigger than it was. Rant over! lol.
Paul
Have a gander at the Electrolux WH34 - would have filled the gap between he 10700 and the 10800 perfectly.
I emphasise the word 'perfectly' because the WH34 is, quite literally, a 10800 without the variable temperature, built in Blythe Bridge by Creda (on the same production line as the 10700/10800 and 12000) for Electrolux.
The WH34 was offered as Electrolux's top of the range machine, until they jumped into bed with Zanussi.
To rub salt into the would, Electrolux then retailed the WH34 'around' £9 cheaper than the 10700!
I am sure Creda could have been so much bigger than it was. Rant over! lol.
Paul
matchboxpaul
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the first page of the report, for the sake of completeness.
The Creda 10700, rrp circa £239 in 1980, is the equivalent of £924.45 in 2015 (Bank of England inflation calculator) ....
The Creda 10700, rrp circa £239 in 1980, is the equivalent of £924.45 in 2015 (Bank of England inflation calculator) ....
matchboxpaul
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Date codes of Creda
Creda introduced a clear as crystal date on the ratings plate, a few years after your models were on sale (i.e 1186 would be written, referring to November 1986 .... see below).
With your 10700 :
Maybe '79097' .... means (19)79 ... (September)09 ... (7th day)7?
Maybe its to do with '01477', though I do feel that, beginning with a '0', this is the machines actual number off the production line.
Can't give a definitive answer I am afraid.
Enough waffle from me - I hope the reports provide some further background history to your machine.
Its a shame, but no one (as far as I know) has any official brochures for this range of machines. If anyone does, please share with us - they are a great, albeit small, range of machines.
Paul
Creda introduced a clear as crystal date on the ratings plate, a few years after your models were on sale (i.e 1186 would be written, referring to November 1986 .... see below).
With your 10700 :
Maybe '79097' .... means (19)79 ... (September)09 ... (7th day)7?
Maybe its to do with '01477', though I do feel that, beginning with a '0', this is the machines actual number off the production line.
Can't give a definitive answer I am afraid.
Enough waffle from me - I hope the reports provide some further background history to your machine.
Its a shame, but no one (as far as I know) has any official brochures for this range of machines. If anyone does, please share with us - they are a great, albeit small, range of machines.
Paul
matchboxpaul
Well-known member
Before I go ....
Here is the Ideal Home dryer report from 1980, starring the 37405 ...
Here is the Ideal Home dryer report from 1980, starring the 37405 ...
matchboxpaul
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...
matchboxpaul
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and finally
Thanks again Peter for introducing your 10700 (and 37405) to us all.
Cheers
Paul
Thanks again Peter for introducing your 10700 (and 37405) to us all.
Cheers
Paul
Hi Paul,
Thanks for all that information.
I looked at the rear of the user instructions that came with the 10700, and it says 1979, but of course they may not have revised the instructions after that. But as it happens, after speaking to my uncle, I know my Grandfather died in 1978, and left my mother some money. I'm pretty certain that it was the money from that, used to buy the Creda washer and dryer. I thought we bought them early 80s but it may have been even earlier. But if I now assume that it was 1980, that makes my Creda combo 36 years old, and still in use. The dryer has nothing wrong with it at all, and has never had any work done on it. The washing machine is in need of drum bearings and a suspension leg, and has I think had a new pump -- from memory. That's not bad for 36 years and 3 house moves. Hope my meile replacement does half as well, and given that it will be doing no more than a 1/4 of the washes, it ought to last yonks and yonks.
Thanks for all that information.
I looked at the rear of the user instructions that came with the 10700, and it says 1979, but of course they may not have revised the instructions after that. But as it happens, after speaking to my uncle, I know my Grandfather died in 1978, and left my mother some money. I'm pretty certain that it was the money from that, used to buy the Creda washer and dryer. I thought we bought them early 80s but it may have been even earlier. But if I now assume that it was 1980, that makes my Creda combo 36 years old, and still in use. The dryer has nothing wrong with it at all, and has never had any work done on it. The washing machine is in need of drum bearings and a suspension leg, and has I think had a new pump -- from memory. That's not bad for 36 years and 3 house moves. Hope my meile replacement does half as well, and given that it will be doing no more than a 1/4 of the washes, it ought to last yonks and yonks.
electradeluxe
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Hi all,
Happy New Year!
And what a lovely surprise to see a Creda machine still going strong!
I'm sure whoever takes this machine off your hands will give it as much love and care as you have
Looking forward to future posts about this machine and the restoration,I will be keeping an eye out for Mike's Electra machine around the spring time!
We need more of these machines to surface!
Take care for now!!
Neil
Happy New Year!
And what a lovely surprise to see a Creda machine still going strong!
I'm sure whoever takes this machine off your hands will give it as much love and care as you have
Looking forward to future posts about this machine and the restoration,I will be keeping an eye out for Mike's Electra machine around the spring time!
We need more of these machines to surface!
Take care for now!!
Neil
Update to my earlier comments, RE: Creda 1000 10700.
Just to update this.
Not posted as have been somewhat unwell, with the first dose of flu that has made me stay in bed for over a week since I was a kid. Anyway, I now have a new Meile installed to replace my Creda 1000 10700. Which now ready to be sold.
Whilst packing/padding and draining the Creda for sale, I took the opportunity to clean out the trap under the pump. I found (corroded) £1.57 in there, in the form of a £1 pound coin, a 50p, a 5p, and a 2p. Cleaned them up in a mixture of lemon juice white vinegar and good old coke. Then I spent them in Tesco. I have no idea how long they had been there, but the £1 coin was the oldest at 1989.
I also looked under the machine to verify/confirm, exactly what motor it has, as I'd forgotten if I'd put the original back on again. (See my earlier comments).
Anyway, it has the NEW Hotpoint motor installed, that I bought(thinking the motor was making the noise) circa 3 or so years ago, -- before doing the drum bearings, which were actually responsible for the noise. It's exactly the same as the original motor I took off, which means that when we bought this back in the early 1980's, or possibly even prior to 1980, it came with a hotpoint motor.
Here's a pic of the motor in situ.
Just to update this.
Not posted as have been somewhat unwell, with the first dose of flu that has made me stay in bed for over a week since I was a kid. Anyway, I now have a new Meile installed to replace my Creda 1000 10700. Which now ready to be sold.
Whilst packing/padding and draining the Creda for sale, I took the opportunity to clean out the trap under the pump. I found (corroded) £1.57 in there, in the form of a £1 pound coin, a 50p, a 5p, and a 2p. Cleaned them up in a mixture of lemon juice white vinegar and good old coke. Then I spent them in Tesco. I have no idea how long they had been there, but the £1 coin was the oldest at 1989.
I also looked under the machine to verify/confirm, exactly what motor it has, as I'd forgotten if I'd put the original back on again. (See my earlier comments).
Anyway, it has the NEW Hotpoint motor installed, that I bought(thinking the motor was making the noise) circa 3 or so years ago, -- before doing the drum bearings, which were actually responsible for the noise. It's exactly the same as the original motor I took off, which means that when we bought this back in the early 1980's, or possibly even prior to 1980, it came with a hotpoint motor.
Here's a pic of the motor in situ.
Hotpoint motors
Hi Peter thanks for the information, will have to see how we can work out if and when the AEG motors where used etc as opposed to the Hotpoint ones.
You say your are packing ready "For Sale" are you putting it forward for open sale now ? am sure the other persons involved in the bidding are still interested if circumstances have changed ?
Thats the great thing about the vortex pumps, all that change rattling around and still carries on pumping with no damage to the pump.
All The Best with your new Miele washing machine, am sure it will give as long service as this old classic Creda did.
Cheers, Mike
Hi Peter thanks for the information, will have to see how we can work out if and when the AEG motors where used etc as opposed to the Hotpoint ones.
You say your are packing ready "For Sale" are you putting it forward for open sale now ? am sure the other persons involved in the bidding are still interested if circumstances have changed ?
Thats the great thing about the vortex pumps, all that change rattling around and still carries on pumping with no damage to the pump.
All The Best with your new Miele washing machine, am sure it will give as long service as this old classic Creda did.
Cheers, Mike
optima
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Creda 1 Thousand
Such a shame it has a standard hotpoint motor on it.
Such a shame it has a standard hotpoint motor on it.
servischris
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Creda
This fits in the thread well, I had this and another dryer dropped off on my driveway from my ex boss in the week....a Creda Debonair Sensair. Anybody got a door lol, appreciated! Must be my 3rd vintage Sensor dryer i think!
This fits in the thread well, I had this and another dryer dropped off on my driveway from my ex boss in the week....a Creda Debonair Sensair. Anybody got a door lol, appreciated! Must be my 3rd vintage Sensor dryer i think!
Creda on TV
Has anyone ever seen 'Absurd Person Singular'? It's a play by Alan Ayckbourn and it set in various kitchens on Christmas eve. I was lucky to see it many years ago but the BBC have never re-shown it.
In the first kitchen Prunella Scales is asking Maureen Lipman all about her washing machine (pic on the right). This version of the play came out in 1985 so this will be a round door Hoover Electron from this period.
In the picture on the left our dear friend Creda is shown. The machine is featured less but is clearly shown.
I got a copy of this online but its very bad quality. Hope the BBC re-show it!
Has anyone ever seen 'Absurd Person Singular'? It's a play by Alan Ayckbourn and it set in various kitchens on Christmas eve. I was lucky to see it many years ago but the BBC have never re-shown it.
In the first kitchen Prunella Scales is asking Maureen Lipman all about her washing machine (pic on the right). This version of the play came out in 1985 so this will be a round door Hoover Electron from this period.
In the picture on the left our dear friend Creda is shown. The machine is featured less but is clearly shown.
I got a copy of this online but its very bad quality. Hope the BBC re-show it!
supermaticjames
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Creda One Thousand Electronic 10700
Peter's machine that I had the pleasure of buying has now continued its story in a new thread I have created which can be found in the link attached.
Once again, thank you Peter and to everyone who contributed to this thread as if it wasn't for this thread Peter may never have got in touch about his 10700!
Kind regards,
James
Peter's machine that I had the pleasure of buying has now continued its story in a new thread I have created which can be found in the link attached.
Once again, thank you Peter and to everyone who contributed to this thread as if it wasn't for this thread Peter may never have got in touch about his 10700!
Kind regards,
James
supermaticjames
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It would help if I attached the link! LOL
http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?69785_2#bott
http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?69785_2#bott
mcmurdo
New member
Hotpoint Electra at work
Here's a youtube link to a video of my washer on a final spin.
There's another on my channel of a fill and wash.
It's true the spin is rather noisy (not a fault, they're all like that!) but the wash cycle is ok, though not exactly in the league of a modern brushless machine.
The drum weight is a little loose on mine too so there's a slight buzz as the spin winds down and the weight resonates. The mounting bolts have started pulling out of the plastic outer drum, no doubt they could be epoxy'd back if it gets worse.
My washer is badged Electra as it was intended to be sold through an electricity-board outlet, however this range of machines were available badged Creda and Hotpoint too with a variety of spin speeds, programmers and button-features. I bought mine as a b-grade machine (slight dent) and it's on its 3rd set of brushes, 2nd door seal and 2nd set of inlet valves since I acquired it, back in 1996. No other repairs have been necessary. It's hot/cold fill of course, suits me as I have a system boiler. Max temp 95C, min temp 40C.
Here's a youtube link to a video of my washer on a final spin.
There's another on my channel of a fill and wash.
It's true the spin is rather noisy (not a fault, they're all like that!) but the wash cycle is ok, though not exactly in the league of a modern brushless machine.
The drum weight is a little loose on mine too so there's a slight buzz as the spin winds down and the weight resonates. The mounting bolts have started pulling out of the plastic outer drum, no doubt they could be epoxy'd back if it gets worse.
My washer is badged Electra as it was intended to be sold through an electricity-board outlet, however this range of machines were available badged Creda and Hotpoint too with a variety of spin speeds, programmers and button-features. I bought mine as a b-grade machine (slight dent) and it's on its 3rd set of brushes, 2nd door seal and 2nd set of inlet valves since I acquired it, back in 1996. No other repairs have been necessary. It's hot/cold fill of course, suits me as I have a system boiler. Max temp 95C, min temp 40C.
Rhythm Spins!!
Hello gang, hope everyone is keeping well as it’s been a while since I've been on here. I needed a refresh on Creda's history. Seems like we've had a few more Creda's come up the pipe work too... (hopefully the others can kindly share their updates here on this thread as we would appreciate it, I know I would xx)
Anyhow having refreshed my memory, I've learnt Creda continued with their 'Rhythm Spin' feature starting from the first generation right throughout the Supaspeed era as it looks like it was only installed in their de Luxe ranges. Thanks Paul for clarifying this, as he explained the workings of each machine of the 'Creda One Thousand' series. A pattern is emerging and I’m getting a little more insight to the workings of these machines and it’s history.
Reminder: When the first generation of Creda washing machines came out in the seventies the Creda Super de Luxe Electronic was the only British washing machine to use the Rhythm Spin feature... Hmm I wonder when other competitors copied this format later on the years. Bosch IVS perhaps?
You can see the 'Rhythm Spin' feature found on the link provided below. It’s the Creda's 1150 Supaspeed washer dryer and my guess is the rhythm spin is not much different on the Creda's Super de Luxe Electronic and so on. The washer dryer has now been restored and is in the rightful home of P&R.
Hello gang, hope everyone is keeping well as it’s been a while since I've been on here. I needed a refresh on Creda's history. Seems like we've had a few more Creda's come up the pipe work too... (hopefully the others can kindly share their updates here on this thread as we would appreciate it, I know I would xx)
Anyhow having refreshed my memory, I've learnt Creda continued with their 'Rhythm Spin' feature starting from the first generation right throughout the Supaspeed era as it looks like it was only installed in their de Luxe ranges. Thanks Paul for clarifying this, as he explained the workings of each machine of the 'Creda One Thousand' series. A pattern is emerging and I’m getting a little more insight to the workings of these machines and it’s history.
Reminder: When the first generation of Creda washing machines came out in the seventies the Creda Super de Luxe Electronic was the only British washing machine to use the Rhythm Spin feature... Hmm I wonder when other competitors copied this format later on the years. Bosch IVS perhaps?
You can see the 'Rhythm Spin' feature found on the link provided below. It’s the Creda's 1150 Supaspeed washer dryer and my guess is the rhythm spin is not much different on the Creda's Super de Luxe Electronic and so on. The washer dryer has now been restored and is in the rightful home of P&R.
Creda Super de Luxe 'Rhythm Spin' advert
Here's a scanned copy of the Creda's Super de Luxe washing machine and the explanation of it's Rhythm Spin...
Here's a scanned copy of the Creda's Super de Luxe washing machine and the explanation of it's Rhythm Spin...
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