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noticed recent model cars all seem to have overly bright blue glaring white LED illuminated displays and instruments-like there are 2 or 3 smartphones in the dash:can't be good for the eyes or night vision I would think...Older BMWs and mid-'80s up Pontiacs used to have red dashboard illumination to better preserve night vision and 1994 Opel SAAB 900s had a feature where just the speedo could be lighted(in green IIRC) for dark driving...
 
OK Millennial,

Recognizing what constitutes today's target demographic, it comes as no surprise that making dashboards look like an array of screens would be what sells.

 

I bought a very low mileage 2012 car about a year and a half ago because I wanted normal dashboard lighting, no touch-screen controls for anything, I didn't want headlights that blind oncoming traffic, and most of all, an engine that shut off every time I came to a stop.  I'm intentionally not putting a lot of miles on this car because I don't want to be stuck with a millennial-mobile any sooner than I have to.

 

A friend of mine had placed a deposit on a Model 3 Tesla.  She went to test drive one before making her commitment to buy and found that 1) A single screen in the center of the dash operates everything (inefficiently, no doubt, as with any touch screen), and 2) There is no radio -- only subscription streaming services.   She asked the Tesla rep how she was supposed to listen to baseball games while in the car and was met with a shrug.  She opted to get her deposit back.
 
The first thing I look for in a car with LED screens is how to turn them off at night due to the glare from them.  I am a vampire, have been working nights for almost 28 years and do not like a lot of lights in my face...didn't even before I started working nights.  I dim the dash lights down and turn off the radio screen.  Much more comfortable on my retinas which have issues anyway (central serous retinopathy).
 
Funny..

 

<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: 14pt;">When I first started reading this thread my first thought was "no disrespect but ya'll have too much time on your hands...."</span>

 

<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: 14pt;">But then I thought a little more about it and realize some folks spent 1 hour plus in the car going to and from work and I guess if you spend this much time in the car these things could be really annoying.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: 14pt;">We have a 2012 and a 2019 in the garage.  What I find most annoying about our new car is not the type of lights on the dashboard but instead the fact that the damn car practically drives itself.  There are more annoying beeps when I get too close to this or don't do that.  Luckily, I work from home so most of my driving is up the street and back.  The only real advantage to having these features was we got a significant discount on our auto insurance which was a surprise to me.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: 14pt;">BTW,  the first thing I do after I start the car is hit the button that disengages that annoying feature of turning off the car at stops.  The car has the ability to have profiles for each driver where you can set all kinds of default settings except that one.  I wish I could set it so it doesn't engage when you start the car but it's not an option.  I'm sure it must save some minuscule amount of gas but over time is it good for the starter?  I don't know, maybe it doesn't hurt it much.  Time will tell I guess.</span>
 
is it good for the starter?

It's good for selling you a new starter and about a dozen more batteries than you'd need otherwise.

 

With the engine off, doesn't the aircon quit also?  9 months a year here, that would be a dealbuster and a damnable nuisance having to 'remind' the car of that every time you get in it.

 

I strenuously hope my 86 Celica lasts the rest of my driving life.
 
A/C

 

<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: 14pt;">We have the same issue here in Arkansas with the A/C at the stops.  Honestly, I haven't paid that much attention but I don't recall getting warm at the stops at the times I haven't shut off that feature.  Seems the air continues to run and now that I think about it, I think it switches the engine back when the car calls for A/C.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: 14pt;">I'll have to pay attention the next time I'm in the car.  As far as having to buy more starters....you're probably right.  We're under warranty for four years and purchased the extended so hopefully I won't have to buy one on my own.</span>
 
 
My hybrid, of course, starts/stops/starts the engine under various situations.  The A/C (power steering, brakes) are electric so aren't affected.  Six+ years, no failures as yet.  Engine does need to run for heat but not continuously depending how much heat is needed.
 
My Honda Odyssey is a 2006 and the dash is all blue/white, I spend a lot of time commuting and my morning drive is always in the dark and it doesn’t bother me. I do know that when it comes time to buy a new one, I’m basically getting a base model to avoid the push button ignition and other nonsense. I’m a millennial but I’m definitely not attracted to all these new features, they’re just distracting in my opinion.
 
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I’m totally with you Eddie on this. I have a 2007 Honda Civic with just a little over 62,000 miles on it and I hope it will last forever too, and it probably will at the rate I drive now that both David and I are both retired.

I take the car in for service once a year and the year before last it needed to be in the shop for about 4 hrs. and the dealer gave me a 2017 Civic as courtesy car. OMG, that dashboard was literally loaded with crap that was totally unnecessary and distracting, especially the main board that controls the radio, heater and AC. I have always been able to make these adjustments mostly by feel, thereby still being able to pay attention to DRIVING the car! And that keyless ignition is for the birds. Give me an old fashioned key to start the car.

The car handled well and was very nice looking and comfortable, but I have no use for any of that modern technology. Soon, we will have a generation of drivers that won’t know how to drive a basic automobile, having to pay attention their surroundings because they will have become so dependent upon the car telling them what to do or doing it for them.

I guess I’ve officially become an Old Coot! In my youth I had to have a new car as often and I could manage it. Now, I plan on keeping this little Civic for the rest of my life.

Eddie
 
Features to keep us safe.....

 

<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: 14pt;">I would be lying if I said these features haven't helped on a couple of occasions to keep me safe from myself.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: 14pt;">However, they do take some getting used to. </span>
 
Reply 11

Thanks Eddie.

Welcome to the Old Coots Club. LOL

Just thought of this... With Smartphones driving being a hazard, distraction, etc...

I would think those touch screens should fall into the same category. I mean when I drive that Caddy Crossover/under... you have to look at the screen to change the temperature, music, GPS, all the same distractions of looking at a phone.. Which also brings to mind, would you get a ticket for changing stations on your SmartPhone ? Or would they make that fall into the category of texting ?

Hmmmmm...

Anyway, every time the Tacoma goes into the shop for a repair whether it be $200-1,000+ I just think to myself "It's better than a car payment".
 
Ours are dimmable

variably, and the main light switch knob has a position to disable the dimming with all exterior lights off. In automatic setting with lights on, either park/tail, driving, or full headlights, the dimming is automatic and varies with ambient and exterior brightness. Bulb light, better idea from who would think; FORD.
Son says he might get to bring one of those soon to be unveiled Electric Mustangs home and take me for a spin. Who knows, if the leases aren't to pricey in a couple or three years?
 
I don't understand why so many don't like keyless starting. I have had it on vehicles for over 7 years now and love it. The fob just stays in my pocket all the time. Lock, unlock the doors, plus rear hatch door opens. Push a button it starts, push same button it shuts off. How simple is that. Sort of like all of our appliances. How can it be good on one thing but ridiculous on anther. I guess people just like to whine over changes. I am trying not to be this way as I get older.

Jon
 
Voice recognition

 

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<span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: 14pt;">... you have to look at the screen to change the temperature, music, GPS, all the same distractions of looking at a phone.. Which also brings to mind, would you get a ticket for changing stations on your SmartPhone ? Or would they make that fall into the category of texting ? </span>

 

<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: 14pt;">Most of the vehicles with these options also have voice recognition.  I have ours set up so I can do most things with my voice so I don't find that too distracting.  As I mentioned earlier, it takes a little time to get used to it.  I have spent some time setting up Favorites for the NAV, phone calls and radio stations, etc.   Having done that I don't have to take my hand off the wheel much.  I press a button on the steering wheel and say what I need.   I'm 65 so I fall into the category of those who could be someone who doesn't want to change.  I decided a few years back that I could be stubborn and not change but that doesn't slow down change around me.  I'm the one who would lose out while the world zips on by me.</span>

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<span style="font-weight: normal;">I can open the garage with my voice and park the car (I think).  I haven't figured those out yet.  When we went through our orientation they told us we could do these things and demo'd them but I'm not quite there yet.  They are on my list.</span>

 
 
@ Chach

I get that Chach.

But for those of us who do not have the latest technology in our vehicles as in my '04 Tacoma, I run Pandora via Bluetooth in my truck. So, when I want to change the station, I need to look at the phone.

Just wondering about if the police saw that, what would happen. I guess I will just be cautious as always and look around to see if there are any police around when Ineed to change the music.
 
Tickets

 

<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: 14pt;">I don't know if it's against the law or not here in Arkansas like it is in other states but obviously it is frowned upon I just don't think they can ticket you.  I could be wrong though. </span>

 

<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: 14pt;">I have my phone set up so when I'm driving it puts up a message for texts that Im driving and I will respond later.  Generally, I try not to pick up the phone while I'm in the car to even look like I'm talking or texting.  </span>

 

<span style="font-family: 'book antiqua', palatino; font-size: 14pt;">When I travel to PA and NJ for work I try to be mindful that it is against the law so that I'm not seen doing anything that looks like talking or texting.  Whether or not they would ticket you for looking at that screen is a really good question.  I suspect they would classify that as distracted driving just like they would if you were looking at your phone. </span>
 
I don't have any complaint about the brightness or quality of the dash/instrument lighting of any modern car I have been in. There are some designed better than others of course but I find it all works.

The BIG problem was when they decided to illuminate the dash anytime the car was running vs just when the lights were on. This has lead to a large amount of people 'ghost' driving at night forgetting to turn their damn lights on...

Were I King, the exterior lights on a vehicle would never be off when the engine is running, but that is a rant for another day.
 
Funny Keyfob Story

 


<span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: 'American Typewriter', serif;">I have a funny keyless fob story.</span>

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<span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: 'American Typewriter', serif;">A few weeks ago I was in PA on business.  My rental had a keyless fob.  I was there for two weeks so I got used to it in my bag,  jumping in the car and heading where I was going.</span>

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<span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: 'American Typewriter', serif;">It was about 4AM and I was getting in the car to head back to the airport.  I walked up to the car, pressed the handle on the trunk and it opened.  In went my luggage.  I walked up to the driver side door and opened it the way I always do.  It didn't make the normal unlock noise.  It just opened.  I didn't really think anything of it.  As I sat down, I noticed some halls drops in the console that I didn't remember putting there.  Still clueless, I started pressing the button to start the car and nothing would happen.  I couldn't figure out what was going on and I was getting nervous because I hadn’t allowed myself a lot of extra time.</span>

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<span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: 'American Typewriter', serif;">As I got out of the car wondering what my next move was, I noticed there was a car two cars down that was identical to mine right down to the color and hubcaps.  I had gotten into the wrong car because the person hadn’t locked it.  </span>

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<span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: 'American Typewriter', serif;">I had to schlep all my luggage to the other car and off I went.  Had I been using a real key I would have known as soon as I tried to open the trunk.  So, I’m not sure if this is an endorsement to use or not use the keyless fobs.  Hubby and I got a good laugh over it and I made my flight in time.</span>

 
I just recently went car shopping and negotiated a deal for my mom on a 2020 Subaru Outback after she totaled her 2015 Hyundai Sonata, and it has all the Eyesight features. I've driven it a few times so far and find that they are gonna take some getting used to. The only one I actually want for myself is the Adaptive Cruise Control, this feature just in the few times I've driven the car has saved me from frustration of driving behind lines of cars that can't decide what speed they want to go. It also has lane keep assist, lane follow, forward collision alert/emergency braking. 

 

The lane keep assist seems like it would come in handy sometimes, the lane follow (which can only be activated when adaptive cruise is on) seems to work good sometimes and other times has the car swerving like a drunk within the lines.

 

The forward collision alert actively deters aggressive driving and quick lane changes so you gotta watch out for that if you're used to driving in high traffic metros. It will beep at you then let up off the gas if you're trying to change lanes quickly, and eventually apply the brakes. 

 

All the features are nice to have, I guess, however I would only ever tolerate them as long as I can turn them off, which I can in the Subaru. I still want to be able to just drive without the car constantly intervening. 

 

It also has the auto start/stop, which I'm not really a fan of, but I've kept it on out of curiosity. Luckily that is also able to be turned off. 

 

 

Back to the original topic, I find myself dimming the dash lights on modern cars to about half brightness cuz it's just too much glare at night. Never used to do that on older cars. 
 
I've been driving a 2001 VW Passat for a few years now, that was a freebie from a family member who was buying a new vehicle.
The dash lights are one of my favorite things about it.
They have sort of a blue backlight, and the numbers and stuff light up red.
It makes for great contrast without being too bright.
This past summer, I just drove my 1986 Pontiac Grand Prix for the first time in 19 years.
The couple of times that I drove it at night, I was surprised by how dim the dash lights seemed.
Maybe they have dimmed with age, but they may have always been this way.
The gauge faces are black, and small bulbs around the edges just highlight the white numbers and the orange needles.

Barry
 
My old Malibu had fairly subdued lighting and green LCD display. My Taurus I have now has 3 color screens and the white lighted control buttons. The guage cluster is silver and blue.

I quite like the lighting and it doesn't bother me much. I did change the radio screen from black on white (daytime) to black on white (night time) and leave it there all the time. It's supposed to change automatically at dark but it doesn't. I prefer the black background anyway since the interior in my car is dark gray.

I just found recently I can turn off the radio display completely if I wanted to.

RE: adaptive cruise, etc. My car came with all of that: adaptive cruise, parallel parking, forward collision warning, backup sensors, lane keep assist and blind spot monitoring.

I don't care for the adaptive cruise and I've never used the parallel parking, but I really do like the backup sensors since they really help when backing up and not being able to see oncoming traffic. Can't be totally relied on of course, but they really do help. I also really like the backup camera, and can't imagine not driving a car with one again.

My car however, will not automatically brake if a pedestrian or car is in front. Going by how some of the cars are having issues with braking for no reason, it might be a good thing.
 
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The forward collision alert actively deters aggressive driving and quick lane changes so you gotta watch out for that if you're used to driving in high traffic metros. It will beep at you then let up off the gas if you're trying to change lanes quickly, and eventually apply the brakes.

Oh Hell to the No! I think this feature would be fine for a self driving car, but I sure as hell don’t want some on board computer second guessing my maneuvers while I’m trying to negotiate my car in heavy traffic. To have the car put on the brakes while a driver is trying to get out of a dangerous situation that requires split second judgement could be disastrous.

I’m all for changes that are beneficial and make good sense. But frankly, every driver should be able to have complete control over their vehicle at all times and be paying close attention to the task at hand, DRIVING, and not by texting, talking on the phone, monkeying around with a touch screen to change the radio, heater or A/C, or looking at a navigation system. If you don’t know where you are going, look up the directions BEFORE you leave on your errand/trip, or pull over to the side of the road and consult the navi system.

Part of being a good, defensive driver is using good common sense and paying attention to driving, not technology.

If this makes me a “whiner” and and “old coot” that doesn’t move with the times then so be it.

Rant over.

Eddie
 
Toyota Tacoma

Yes toploader, your tacoma 5 speed will probably outlive you.


The more I hear about the newer cars and the maintenance nightmares.....
the ridiculous cost of parts and the evaporating market of service personel, I'm happy I have a cheap, 2014 5 speed car with crank windows, no cruise, incandescent lamps, no power locks, no touch screen anything.
In fact.... to start it you need to turn the crank that sticks out of the grille.

OK, I'd like cruise, but can order after market.
I can honestly say I've never even turned on the radio. I don't even know if it has a CD player or an input jack. lol.

I can't wait to get a fully electric car. teeheehee.
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I have a 2016 Dodge Durango. It has some of the features listed here. I don't mind the lights on the dashboard. I don't think they are that bright. The radio screen though is a different story. That is bright and there is no way to shut it off. You can shut the screen off to it, but it just puts up a black screen that is lit. Makes no sense. There is also no way to shut the radio off on it. You either have to turn the volume all the way down or press the mute button. Even if you turn the screen off, the radio will still play.
I believe on the newer Durangos, they have corrected both of those issues. Another thing that the newer Durangos have, is the ability to turn on the backup camera at any time. On mine, you have to put the vehicle in reverse for the backup camera to turn on.
The on/off feature that will shut the car off, while at a red light is an ok feature. There are times where I don't mind it and then other times where I wish I didn't have it. It is supposed to have a delay before it shuts off. So once you come to a complete stop, it isn't supposed to shut the engine off until like 5 seconds or so. However I've noticed that mine sometimes will and sometimes won't. I'll come to a stop sign and see that I can just stop and go, since no vehicles are coming. So I come to the complete stop, let off the brake and then the engine shuts off and then will start back up again. I wasn't even stopped for 5 seconds, yet it shuts off and then it does it after I have already let off the brake. Then there are other times where I will be at a stop light and I'll have my foot on the brake and it won't even shut off for 10+ seconds.
In regards to the comments about the a/c working when the engine shuts off. If the engine is under a heave load, such as the a/c is on full blast, the engine won't shut off. So it is 100+ degrees outside, you get into the car and it is of course much hotter inside. The a/c is on full blast. You come to a stop light, the engine won't shut off, since it is trying to get the car up to a comfortable temperature. If you have been in your vehicle for a while and the temperature is down to a tolerable degree and you stop at a stop light, the engine will shut off, the a/c will continue to run, just not at full capacity. If the a/c needs to come back to full power, the engine will automatically start up again, so the a/c can continue to run. I'm only basing this on my Durango though, so I can't say how other manufactures work.
I was told that some of the Chevy cars do not have the button to shut the stop/start feature and that you just have to deal with it. I do enjoy having the button to shut mine off though, when I want to.

I don't have the adaptive cruise control, but have driven a vehicle with it. I really didn't care for it. It seemed to slow down way to soon, when approaching a vehicle. And no I don't tailgate.

I do have a key fob on my Durango and it is nice to not have to use a key to unlock it all the time. I just go up to the car, put my hand in the handle, as long as I have the fob, the car will unlock. You can do this from either of the front doors and even the rear hatch. The hatch is powered and will lift or lower with the press of a button. My husband likes that, so he doesn't have to worry about lifting the hatch. He has a bad back and it could cause a strain on his back if he had to.
When I go to leave for the day, I just grab the fob and put it in my pocket. I get it, push the button to start it and leave. When I get to where ever I am going, I just shut the engine off, get out and push the lock button. At the end of the day, when I get home, the key fob goes back on the key hook near the back door.
The only problem with this, is I've found myself leaving the keys in the ignition on my 1989 Thunderbird and then getting out, locking the doors. Luckily it has the keypad on the door, so I can just unlock it to get back in and get the keys. Most of the time, I realize it before I leave. One time I didn't realize it until I got back to the car.

When I first got the Durango, I would get someplace and put the car in park. With my foot on the brake pedal, I would push the button to shut the car off. I'd get out, lock the door, and leave. When I return, the car would be running. It took me a while to realize that by me keeping my foot on the brake pedal, while shutting it off, it would just restart. Because to start it, you have to press down on the brake pedal. I now just let up off the brake pedal after I put it in park.

Another thing the Durango has is the shifter knob. I'm not a big fan of it though. I've seen the memes about turning the radio up and accidentally turning the shifter knob and throwing the car into park or reverse. It doesn't actually work like that. If you turn the knob, while it is in motion, it will just give an error on the dash board that says you can't do that. I don't recall if it stays in drive or goes into neutral.

Sorry for the long reply.
 
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