The debate of which is best front or top loading washer design

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Saw this article from Huffington Post. Experts passing judgement on which is better. Top loading or front loading washer design.

Nothing new really. Was a little worried about stacking a front load washer on top of a drier. Sure that wouldn’t end well. Can you imagine an out of balance spin. Mind you these days it is very rare to have a FL have an unbalanced spin.

Interesting read all the same.

 
At the end of the day, it all comes down to user preference. For me, I'd love to live in a place where I'd have both a top loader and a front loader. But if I had to choose between the two, I'd hands down get a front loader. Ever since my parents got their first front loader, we never looked back.
 
my honest opinion on the subject

My honest opinion on the subject is it all depends on the buyer choice and need like for exemple say you have a family or work on a farm that requires doing load of laundry on regular bases or construction worker, with heavily stain clothes or have children that suffer severe allergy on certain season the choice would go with a front load washer because of sanitize cycle but if your only a family of 2 with light to normal soiled clothes maybe a top load washer would be the choice, so in the end the choice of a washer is base on one needs.
 
never owned one...

All my washing machines have been top loaders and have been generally reliable except for a star-crossed Kenmore (Whirlpool) '70's something machine.
Front loaders do have their merits, such as water usage and being gentler on fabrics, however I've always harbored a doubt as to how well the tubs bearing would last.
I'm certain that by now technology has progressed where that is not an issue anymore. Call me old-fashioned, but I'll stick with a mechanical timer, water hogging, non-lid locking top loader for now...
 
Here in Australia we are lucky and have a fairly big range of both front and top loading washers to chose from. I have a large laundry room and I have 2 front loaders and 4 top loaders. I really like the choice. In the UK I am pretty sure you cannot buy regular top loaders any more. Only those horizontal drum top loaders.

My personal preference is front loading. Mainly because we live in regional Australia and are on tank water collected from the roof so we don’t have the luxury of an endless water supply.
 
This again?

It has been proven though out history of laundry machines that H-axis washers are superior in most ways to those with central beaters and so forth.

Industrial or commercial laundries never bothered with top loading machines with central beaters, but went right to what would become known as H-axis washing machines. Things got even better when Braun and others invented "washer/extractors" for commercial/industrial side of things.

Laundering involves either moving water though textiles, or moving textiles through water. H-axis washing machines mimic action of forcing water (laden with chemicals or fresh) through textiles which is far superior way of washing and rinsing clothing. It also is proven to be more gentle than bashing them about with a central beater style washing machine.

American housewives and others were largely not bothered about wash day results due to heavy reliance and copious use of chlorine bleach. Use of that substance can hide a multitude of wash day sins.

Extreme example, but you cannot do this with top loading washers.

 
I have to agree with you Launderess. FL machines are more efficient and wash, rinse and spin better than TL machines but I do have a soft spot for my TL washers especially my GE filter flo. I do use them occasionally.

The main gripe people seem to have with FLs is the issue with smelly mildew rubber. I have personally never had a smelly FL washer.
 
"The main gripe people seem to have with FLs is the issue with smelly mildew rubber."

Well if persons will insist on shutting H-axis washers up after use what do they expect?

Americans have a litany of reasons why they cannot or will not leave doors to front loaders open after washday. Everything from worries about wee children or pets crawling inside to fact that open door of washer simply doesn't jive with their idea of a neat and tidy home.

After wash day is done close door of front loader with glass portal and wait. Sooner or later condensation will start to form indicating trapped moisture that wants evaporating.

Many newer front loaders/h-axis washers now have active venting systems or designs to get around air circulation issues when door/lid is shut.

My Miele W1070 is > 30 years old. Never has had a whiff and door boot is mildew and mold free. When wash day is over door is left wide open for several hours. Afterwards left cracked open along with dispenser drawer. Ditto for AEG Lavamat front loader.
 
While I 100% do not see any way a TL would be generally superior to an FL today, I do understand why so many people get so hung up about that.

It's pretty similar to (and I don't want that to get very political, so I count on the readers to not make it) the whole electric car thing.
A "new" technology comes on the market with its limitations that generally provides major benefits - but has some major downsides to its technology not being as mature.
Things as price, different useage patterns you have to learn etc.
People pick these issue apart to an extreme degree.
But then technology advances - very quickly - and people don't realise things have changed so much that many if not most issues can be easily solved.
Of course technology can only solve so many issues - you'll always have certain things about the technology that just is different, and some will always see that as a no-go issue.

And then there is the fact that changing some people's perception of works and what not is just ENTIRELY removed from any actual connection of function and result .

Vacuums are actually one of those things.
About a year before she passed away my grandma needed a new vacuum cleaner. She got a bit hard of hearing with her age so I got her a very quiet vacuum cleaner - like the quietest on the market.
And she didn't like it, barely used it. Why? Because she couldn't hear it, and she had been using noisy vacuum cleaners for 80+ years basically.

There's studies and entire departments for noise engineering, particularly in vacuum cleaners, just because many people don't believe a quiet vacuum cleaner cleans.
They often aren't even aware that's the connection - but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the return rates were significantly higher on quiet vacuums than on regular ones.

Another side bar story on that.
My mum moved into what used to be my grandparents flat in our house last year when we finished remodeling.
Now we're getting ready to rent out our old flat and thus had to get our old kitchen out.
Put it up for sale quite cheaply, and it didn't take long until someone who's first language wasn't German came and picked it up.

A few days later he frantically contacts my mum that the stove top wouldn't get hot.
My mum - not being very technically inclined - tried to communicate to them that they must have messed up installing it because it worked a few days ago.
The language barrier certainly didn't help so they just parted ways, both pretty unhappy with the situation.

And then a family friend made her have a lightbulb moment:
She's been cooking with induction for over a decade now and it just never dawned on her that the buyer probably never had.
And induction cooktops just don't get hot - that's pretty much their biggest thing.

So you have one person using the new technology as if they never knew anything else and one person just not knowing the new technology, both incapable of recognising or communicating why both sides think they are in the right - and both sides ending up unhappy.

Just that something is empirically better than something else does not mean it's seen or more importantly felt that way - and that tends to be the bigger issue today.
 
Prior to WWII top loading washing machines of all sorts were common across Europe. However, post war and the building boom that followed as many nations rebuilt themselves things began to change.

H-Axis washers as in USA had long been known in Europe but largely confined to commercial/industrial laundries.

Many things had to come together before a fully automatic front loader could be made for domestic use. In USA Bendix was first out of the gate IIRC, but housewives largely weren't impressed.

In USA fully automatic top loading washers began replacing semi-automatics (wringers or whatever) in huge part because the format was familiar to American housewives. Just as with semi-automatic washing machines American homes tended to be larger with space to put a fully automatic along with other required bits (hot/cold water connection, sink/drain, electrical outlet..).

European homes tend to be smaller and more compact, thus a washer that could do 5 kilos of laundry but yet fit under a counter in kitchen or perhaps room off it (scullery, bathroom, etc...) was ideal.

Constructa was the first IIRC, but soon Miele and others were all producing front loaders. By about 1960's or 1970's virtually all production by Miele and others of various top loaders (with central beaters) had ceased. Twin tubs with impellers were another matter.

Other bits?

Move away from soap to synthetic detergent (Persil 59, Dixan, etc....) along with use of foam controllers allowed better results in tumble type washing machines. This as opposed to post WWII Tide along with other American laundry detergents who by and large created mountains of suds.

Then you have differences in energy use.

Unlike most American homes post WWII with central hot water systems homes in Europe tend to have tankless point of use (or near) hot water supplies. It thus made more sense for a washing machine to heat whatever water it used to desired temp. This also allowed said machine to be installed anywhere regardless of distance from hot water supply.

American housewives post WWII largely clung to the old ways; that is reserving one day per week for doing a huge amount of laundry. For that you need a washing machine with comparatively quick throughput. In keeping with "Sinners Circle" laws of washing H-axis washers have more gentle action, but in compensation cycle times are longer. OTOH washers with central beaters are quicker but with perhaps more wear and potential damage to clothing.

In Europe then and still now it's not uncommon for households to do many smaller wash loads per week. This even now that larger washers have hit market that hold more than previous standard of 5 kg.

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Team front-loader since 1987, when I bought a Frigidaire-branded White-Westinghouse washer. I believe it was the last of the non-reversing machines. Currently have a 2023 Speed Queen 7009 which I’m very happy with.

Photo 1: A blast from the past, circa 2005, I believe. I had a 2002 Frigidaire front-loader and dryer, then added a top-loader in 2005 as a “now and then” washer for the fun of watching the wildly indexing tub.

Photo 2: The 7009 Speed Queen set.

Photo 3: The odd laundry/utility pass-through in the 8-plex I live in. Nice KitchenAid set across from mine. This hallway of sorts houses each of our furnaces, water heaters, and laundry equipment. There’s an identical pass-through downstairs for the four apartments down there. Have never seen a set-up like this one before. My washer & dryer are only about footsteps outside my apartment.

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