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Great qustion Oxydolfan

Actually, many many good disposed of machines, top load or otherwise, do go on to reconditioners and rebuilders.

Many a store and individual in Charlotte has made their livings doing this. I think with the more "disposability" of the newer machines and the cheaper (relatively speaking) prices of some top loaders, there may not be as much of a niche as there once was with used appliances, but MANY do go on to have second lives.

The situation varies in municipalities throughout the country, but here our disposed of machines that do go to the landfill/crusher are set-out for a while for others to scavenge parts from. In some cases I have heard where people have arranged "deals" with the site managers for whole machines.

When machines are hauled away by appliance stores such as BestBuy, HH Gregg, Sears, whatever...they usually have deals arranged with local people to pickup their stache each evening or specific days and the haulers can sell or dispose of the stuff at their leisure, almost always to guys like me who like to tinker and repair/restore.

I rebuilt more than 50 Kenmore and Whirlpool belt-drive washers in the 90s for fun. I arranged a deal with the Sears store manager in town at the store that was responsible for all the appliance distribution in Charlotte. When I found out they were putting ALL their haul-backs into a compactor like that in the video, I gasped and asked if I could have them instead.

I was shocked that nobody had asked this before, but the manager was thrilled to be able to decommission the compactor and lower his liability insurance. It was a small personal victory for me to see the compactor itself hauled away!

A friend of mine, who repaired and sold appliances for a living, lived nearby the Sears store. He went by there every weekday to get whatever Sears had accumulated. Sometimes he'd get me to help. I always wanted to keep EVERYTHING, but he'd occasionally force me to dump something in the crusher that probably did belong there. We did this for about 6 or 7 years until Sears changed their distribution method and farmed out the deliveries to an outside company as a cost savings. But, for the time we had the deal, we saved hundreds and hundreds of good washers, dryers, and refriges from going to waste. I went thru the 50, plus I have 30 more still to work on. That's 80 machines, and my friend I bet went thru a couple hundred a year, at least.

As a side bonus, at least as I see it, the parts divisions of Whirpool, GE, Maytag, etc. got a deal too because we had to purchase repair parts for those machines. I spent thousands on Whirlpool FSP parts that would have otherwise gone unsold, and I am pretty sure that those who got my washers would NOT have bought something new if they didn't get mine.

I know similar stuff like this happens all over. Yes, some good stuff does get dumped and wasted, but it isn't as bad as it might first appear, thankfully.
 
.... but that just prolongs wash day?

Good point but...
From a personal point of view, my wash day is just about every day.
AEG front loader... put a load in before going to work then when back from work, into dryer.
Simple as...
Does there have to be a "Wash day" nowadays?
Maybe FL's do work with todays lifestyles?
(Don't get me wrong, I would love a good old Hotpoint TL!!!)
Peter
 
Peter, I don't think that was Laundress' point. I think she is only saying that if you always used half loads then doing the laundry will take twice as long! Apologies if i'm wrong!

I tend to do all the linens on one day since i do enjoy doing the washing and all! Clothes and such just get done when i get home. I'm a bit cagey about leaving the washing machine on when i'm out.

On a somewhat unrelated topic... I realise now that top loaders are not just things that beats clothes to death. I don't want one or anything because i like my FLers too much!

David
 
just my little input!

Hi David.. Another appliance lover on the west coast. That can't be bad!!

The post was just my view on washday.... I would love a day solely for indulging myself in my favourite pastime but work, relationships etc get in the way lol!!

Hope Sunday goes well !
Peter
 
In my area FL machines aren't moving real fast either.Yet Best Buy has that super expensive Stainless Steel cased FL LG washer and matching dryer on display.Don't think ANYONE in Greenville is interested--hell the price of that WD set is more costly than most peoples wardrobes!and with some of the horror stories about LG-don't thnk I would want to spend over $6000 for a WD set from them.My thinking its best for the globe to keep all of those older machines going--rather than getting crunched or going to the dump.The WD set that got crunched in the link could have found another home-some folks would have been tickled pink to have them.
The krusher shown in my link is a McNelious manual side load trash truck.Its on a Peterbuilt chassis.The person that filmed the video operates the truck and compactor shown in the film clip.Its amazing what he kushes in his truck-you would want to drive his route before him and collect the goodies he krushes!At present I want to get a BD WP or KN washer but can't find anymore here-the swap shops don't run into them anymore-other folks here want them too!I am on a waiting list so as to speak.
 
Several people at appliance stores in the US have told me that front loaders now outsell top loaders in the US, by what margin I don't know. One of these sources is the owner of an appliance store whom I know socially, i.e. he was not trying to make a sale.

The recent Consumer Reports comparisons, which found most of the conventional toploaders unacceptable due to poor cleaning (they now use less water but have not really been re-engineered), may accelerate the trend, particularly if more "moderately priced" machines come to market, such as Frigidaires for $500-700 rather than $1000-plus

rebates on the order of $50-150 are often involved, the true cost of buying is lower than the actual price tag. Rebates are region-dependent. In areas where water is plentiful and energy is cheap, sometimes no rebates are offered. In California, one usually receives a $35-50 rebate from the gas company (washer uses less hot water) and often $100 from the municipal water district. The latter is a government agency and is not in collusion with the manufacturers.
 
Giimicks!!

Americans Love Change and If they BELIEVE something is new and different theyll whip out their credit cards and pay Two Grand for a Monstrosity of a washer and Dryer. The Front load verses Top Load debate will go on forever but I"ll tell ya one thing..Ive survived 46 years with a Top load washer ! So I'll keep my old fairly reliable Top loader and watch the world go by!
 
The debate won't go on forever, I'd say in 10-15 years, top-loaders will no longer be made.
 
you know...

I've had front loaders for 13 years, and as far as I am concerned, they win hands down.

I PREFER ones with onboard heaters. Then, it doesn't matter how far your machine is from your hot water heater. In my last house, my ASKO 6kg machine was on the second floor, a LONG way from the heater. DESPITE using electricity to heat the water, the 95C wash used less than (IIRC) 3kw of electricity in total.

A 60C wash used about half that.

The small amount of water that the front load used made it economical to heat the water with electricity.

I also saw the longer wash cycles as a bonus, because when the clothes came out, they were CLEAN. Plus, a 1600 RPM spin out meant they were also nearly dry.

Oh yeah: machine update: We ended up going with the front loading Duet. We looked at the above mentioned Maytag as well as the Duet, but the 9400 had more cycles that she wanted - and since she does that laundry that sealed it. These were to replace a Bosch front loader that Lowes took back; neither of us were happy with its performance at all.

Nate
 
Top Loaders will still be made...

... they just won't be the Traditional Top Loader that we all know and love. F & P, Whirlpool, now even Hoover/Electrolux are all starting to make more efficient top loaders. My PERSONAL opinion, the next generation of washing machine will incorporate some sort of sonic wave vibration to get clothes clean. Kinda Like Star Trek and Sonic Showers. :)

~Brant
 
Where I live here in NY, I know of 3 different appliance stores, one where I have a good friend working, who tell me top loaders still outsell front loader by a large margin. As long as there remains demand, the machines will not dissapear. Most people like choice and variety, and not all have the same likes and dislikes. There should be room for all types of washers, not just one type. Isn't the differences in all the machines what makes them so interesting to us? If they were all the same, it would be very boring. In my immediate family, only two have tried a front loader, , one returned it for a top loader after 3 months, the other still has theirs. All my friend have top loaders, and don't intend to change. It is all a matter of preference. Perhaps if the prices of the front loaders come down significantly, they would be more appealing, by I myself would never spend what they are asking, when I get just as good a result from my top loader at a fraction of the cost. I believe these companies are trying to push the front loader because they make so much more MONEY on them. The difference in machines does not warrant the difference in prices.
 
Crusher Demo

Thanks very much for sharing that crusher demo. I'll use that Online.Movavi.com utility to convert it to a file on my system. *Only at last resort,* should inferior machines be sentenced to such a horrible death. As for well-built classic and new appliances? Save them!--Laundry Shark
 
Glad that the "Krusher" film clip was of interest to some-To see more---go to "Classic Refuse Trucks" website-then go to their "Videos" section-then there is LOTS of videos showing all types of trash truck compactor mechanisms at work-In the videos section-There is one by "Rapid Assistant"they show a FL washer being Krushed in a Dennis Phoenix Rear Load trash truck.Could that poor FL washer have found another home?They delighted in Krushing it SEVERAL times-grinding it to bits.I hate seeing that fate happen to ANY Appliance that could have a second life.At the same time Krusher mechanisms are kinda fascinating-like disposers.
I also want to see the price on FL machines come down-if they are truely interested in saving water and energy-that should be the case-remember the FL machines mechanisms are actually SIMPLER than TL mechanisms.Its now on FL machines the motor is connected DIRECTLY to the rotating drum-no transmission,belts or chains.Its to the point the circuits required to operate the motor can be less expensive than a mechanical tranmssion.I have room in my laundry area for both.
 
Front loading washing machines by nature of design cost more in terms of R&D because of water soundess and balance issues.

Top loading washing machines basically are tubs with drains and pumps. Water can also drain out quite easily by gravity as well. Front loading washing machines require complicated designs to keep water in the tub (door seals), balance and distribute loads properly, as well as support the weight of several pounds of wet laundry as well.

As for direct drive versus mechanical, considering how many Amercian front loading washing machines "die" because of circut or mother board problems, and are chucked or require expensive repairs, I'd take my chances on belt driven mechanical machines.

L.
 
I am with Launderess on the MECHANICAL drives instead of electronic ones.In some of the equipment I work on here-there are mechanical drives that are over 60yrs old and working fine-bet the electronic ones won't last that long-As it is-the boards die that drive that motor-the machine is declared non-repairable-and---Krushed!The mechanical ones can be more easily repaired.I don't like to see washers resemble jukeboxes instead of washers.And the simple mechanical timers are better than the electronic ones-esp in the thunderstorm ridden area where I live-my KA dishwasher with electronic timers has gone thru two of them so far-it sits in the corner-instead use a KA18 machine that is more "stormproof"Don't have to rush to unplug it when storms come up.Its those ones that come and get'em when you are not home!
 
The waiting paid off-got my "New" old WP Dual action style BD machine just yesterday-anxious to try it when I get home from work-will try its "maiden" load!The cabinet is sort of a Biege-eggshell color-not white.and not "harvest gold"either.The swap shop had another one-that WP machine had the electronic timer console and the large Surgilator agitator.Mr Dixen-the swap shop owner--took away the failed KN machine(leaked,wouldn't spin)and took it away-he was going to salvage the motor,transmission,timer console-then the rest goes to the krusher.He was saying at the salvage yard where he takes his "dead" machines they lift them right off his truck with a crane that has a clamshell bucket-the machines get "Krushed" as they are picked up and dumpted on a huge pile.MR Dixens swap shop has a couple of FL Maytag machines-he HATES them-and yes has sent some to that krusher.His shop is in Ayden-just South of here-love to look around there-you never know what you'll find-he may not know whats in the dark corners.Couldn't find anything of interest this time-thats how I found an electrolux LX vacuum.
 
I must chime in on this thread. I think the change over to FL machines in the US will be slower than many expect, because TL machines are what we are most familiar with. As long as a good Top loader is available for a nominal cost people are going to overlook water usage for checkbook conservation. The price difference between the two types will have to be much closer before people will flock to the front of the machine.

If the time comes when they outlaw the TL machines, I will say only this. . .They will get my TL Dependable Care/Plus Maytag after they pry my cold dead fingers off the mechanical timer.
 
Tryout of my "new" WP machine is successful.so far have tried several loads in it and is A-OK.We see how long it lasts.Sounds pretty solid while it runs.I think Mr.Dixen made this one from parts of others-A KN bottom half-cabinet,tank.and upper has A WP control bridge.A machine more for users than collectors.Like it just the same.
 
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~And the simple mechanical timers are better than the electronic ones-esp in the thunderstorm ridden area where I live-my KA dishwasher with electronic timers has gone thru two of them so far-

My 6-week old new lower-MOL GE came with a defective eletronic timer RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX. The second timer was installed under warranty (also Chinese-made)does the same thing. I ahd a hissy-fit. Service will call me today. FEH!

This device may help avoid damage. It is a DIY project if you work with electricity. Add two circuit breakers (one per pole or hot-leg for American 220v) and install in your main circuit-breaker panel (UK=> consumer unit).
 
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