The Incredible Shrinking Palmolive

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Well, Colgate-Palmolive has done it again. Those of you who use their laundry products know the drill - one day, you go into the store to pick up your favourite, and somehow, the bottle looks skinnier or something....

And when you get it home and compare it to the old one, you see what's happened. A hidden price increase has been put into effect by keeping the price unchanged, but downsizing what you get for your money.

Now C-P is doing this with its bar soaps. I'm a bar soap lover, for reasons of familiarity (I grew up with the stuff), and environment. Liquid body washes carry an environmental cost I personally find unacceptable - the plastic containers are petrochemical-based, and the product itself is largely water, which is just a leetle bit oil-intensive to ship.

My favoured bar soap has always been Palmolive Mild All-Family, which has come in a 4-ounce bar ever since I can remember. In fact, I have DVD's of the old Colgate Comedy Hour from 1951 where the "thriftiness" of the 4-ounce size is touted.

Well, my latest purchase of Palmolive was a shock. I really didn't notice anything when I reached for the soap on the store shelf. It was only when I got it home and put it next to the rest of the bars I already had (we're stocker-uppers) that I realised - C-P strikes again!

The new bar size is 3.2 ounces, for a total of 9.6 ounces in a three-pack of bars. The old size gave you 12 ounces in a three-pack. This is a whopping price increase! What really frosted me was that C-P went to a very great deal of trouble to make the new, smaller package look exactly like the old, so that you wouldn't notice in the store.

Since I've been using the new size, I have found that it lasts no time at all, creating a constant need for replacement. I complained to C-P, making my disappointment plain. I told them that an honest price increase would have served me better than the tactic they chose - everyone knows costs are increasing, and no reasonable person would hold an honest increase against them. My reward for my trouble was a bland, canned form letter and a few cents-off coupons for C-P products. The letter referred to Palmolive as having been "converted"; they couldn't even be straightforward enough to say "downsized". Such mealy-mouthed corporate-speak!

There's not much to be done about it, except to stop using Palmolive, and that would cut me out of a pleasant product. But it amazes me that a corporation would not be able to figure out that consumers would resent the change. By the way, C-P has done this to all its bar soaps across the board, including Irish Spring, Cashmere Bouquet, etc.

Here's a photo of before and after; you can see the lengths to which C-P went in making the difference hard to spot in the store:

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This happened in Brazil a few years ago..
Started with the Unilever products (1kg detergent box reduced to 900 grams but the box still the same) and Comfort softener reduced from 2 liter to 1.8 liters).
The Nestlé decided to do it with ALL it´s products (candies, chocolates, crackers, etc...)
In less than a month, 95% of all products found in a supermarket, from all brands had some kind of undersizing, but the prices still the same.

The brazilians sent thousands and thousands of letters, emails and phone calls to the manufacturers, to the press and to our governants. Finally our government had an attitude (It was a miracle) and all manufacturers were forced to continue the old sizes or redesign their packages including a huge red label with informations about the new size.

This is a situation only the consumers can solve.
USA is famous for it´s patriotism, wonderful economy and politics. I'm not american, but I feel proud of you when I watch a movie and one of the first things I see is the American Flag. The many times I visited USA, I could see it´s not something we see only on movies, but it´s part of real life.

If this bar soap brand isn´t an isolated case, It´s time for the american consumers act togeter, write letters to the manufacturers and the governants.
 
Thanks for

sharing this information Sandy. I was wondering myself what happened when I was in the store yesterday and noticed smaller bars on the shelf. Since I wasn't buying the product I didn't check it out closer for the price. Now I know. I'm glad my grandparent taught me to make soap, it looks like I'm gonna stick with the old fashioned home made stuff. Store bought is just way over priced.
 
The "make it smaller" bit really annoys me to no end. I also prefer bar soap. I've had quite a stash, and have gone through most of it, so a couple of weeks ago I bought some soap. I kept looking at the bars, thinking "Did I buy miniature soap or what?" I miss the days of the gigantic Ivory bar that you could break/cut into four bath sized bars.... Oh, I am showing my age!
 
Star Kist Tuna

Yesterday, I went to Wal Mart to get a few things, and needed to buy some tuna. I've got a few cans of the WM brand, and wanted to mix a better brand with it for tuna salad. They were all out of Chicken Of The Sea with water, so I opted for SK instead.

When I picked up a few cans, I knew something wasn't "right", so I looked at the label. Sure enough, there was only 5 oz. in the cans instead of the regular 6 that I was so accustomed to buying. But, to add insult to injury, WM was still charging the 6 oz. price. Talk about getting ripped off!
 
Yeah, P&G have done this with some of the Fairy washing-up liquid range in the UK. New shape bottles that are 450ml instead of 500ml and a price increase too! They've also shrunk Fairy and new Bold laundry products but left them in the same size packaging so it's not obvious until you read the back label that you are getting less.
 
The new industry's "weapon" are the 2x, 3x, 4x, 100x, 100000000000x concentrated products.

Here in Brazil, the most popular softener is the Comfort Classic 2l bottle.
Now there's the superconcentrated formula, in a 250ml bottle.
Ok, the product is really concentrated and the user should use 1/2 cap instead of 2 caps to get the same results.
As the regular Comfort always had a strong smell, most people always used 1 cap only and got perfect results...

Now people buy the concentrated formula bottle, but most of the times they forget to use only half cap and continue using 1 cap.
It means they spend more softener without notice it.
 
Thanks for the heads up Sandy. I'm a Palmolive user too, I prefer the scent of Palmolive Gold myself. I get mine at the dollar store, so I'll have to take note the next time I make a d-store run.
 
Where Else....

....But Automaticwasher.org could you gripe about downsized bar soap and be met with sympathy? Thanks, guys!

I really dislike the new size; it just goes so quickly. I'm the only person who uses my bathroom, and I'm now going through about a bar a week. It's a real irritant.

Had they upped the price by 20-25%, I'd have said to myself, "Well, that's the way it goes," and paid it. The product was highly satisfactory before. Now, when I think of Palmolive, I think of getting less than I used to get, plus getting a bar size that's gone in a flash. That's an overwhelmingly positive perception replaced with two very negative ones.

And people get paid for pulling stunts like this?
 
Well Sandy,

I decided to check out my local Big Lots today. They too had the smaller size bars of Palmolive. This sucks big time, next up is Dollar Tree, probably more of the same.
 
Down Sizing

Is now rampant and was covered by network and local news several months ago.

From cereal boxes, to detergents, to soaps, whatever comes in packets, makers are making sizes smaller but charging a little more or keeping the price the same. In any event the net effect is consumers are paying the same or perhaps a bit more for less.

In their defence product makers claim it is their way of keeping costs down and not having to raise prices.

What one needs to do is look for either old stock or when a product is suddenly being marked down for clearance. This is a sure sign changes in packets is coming, unless of course the item is being discontiuned all together, or total product formula change. For instance just before P&G began switching all Tide liquid detergents to "2x", those 100oz bottles were reduced to clearance prices.

Often one can look at the back of the shelf to find older product, as stocking persons tend to put the new out in front and shove the older product to the rear.

L.
 
I'm surprised C-P didn't just use the old box, and pad the smaller soap bar with tissue paper.

You might considering sending your photo to Consumer Reports. They have a page in every issue where they highlight various deceptive or shrinking products. It would be better if the new "right sized" bar had some marketing spiel about how it's "More than before", but that might be asking too much if C-P took such pains to make the boxes look alike.

I have no doubt that C-P issued stern advice to all its retailers that when stocking the new bars, all of the old bars should be removed from the shelving first - so that a shopper wouldn't immediately notice the rip-off.

Of course this practice goes way back. I remember back in the 50's a friend of mine used to gripe about how the various candy bars of the day would suddenly get smaller, for the same price.
 
Another thing that gets me is the reduction in the weight of the packaging. Cereal boxes now collapse in your hand when you grab them, Saran Wrap boxes disintigrate in your hands the first time you use the box. It's aggravating. And yet these mfg's are charging us extra for "transportation" costs.

Anyone check the price of Aluminum foil lately? It has skyrocketed by at least a buck or more!
 
Sandy~

I was shopping today at Big-Lots and noticed they were still selling the original 4oz size bars of Palmolive Soap. I picked up 9 bars just in case you wanted them. If you would like me to send these up to you, email me with your address and I will be happy to put them in the mail.

Shane
 
Hi Shane:

If you bought these bars on my behalf, I'll gladly send you the money for them. I do already have a case of the 4-ouncers - as I said, we're stocker-uppers. If you use Palmolive, then please feel free to keep the bars you bought for yourself. But I'd be glad to get them if you bought them for me, so let me know.
 
Dollar Tree here now also carries the smaller bars. I wonder if C-P didn't make retailers pull their old stock and replace it with the new size.
 
I was on it in the previous century.

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