The last designs il post on here..i bet everyone is tired of them now.

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this is most likly the last time i will post some of my appliance designs on here and as the thread title suggest i think everyone is almost fed up with them.

however having just completed this collection last night that i am really happy with i felt i had to post it.

Any opinions and advise is appreciated, the more the better.

anyway...here it is: The Winter Collection of Appliances by ADAMS:
First the Range together then separately as you can see them better separate.

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internals

now that you came up with attractive exterior design,time to design the machinery
underneath before going into production!:D Are they going to be properly U.K.
made appliances?
 
Heyas Ariston4life.

What would an instruction manual look like for them? I've noticed some appliance manufacturers use the manual as a selling feature to show off the features and functionality of a machine so the user can use it more effectively.

From my point of view, the washer and dryer would be very confusing to operate and a manual would be required reading. The Dishwasher looks a bit more intuitive to operate, but still has a few buttons I would have to read up on.

Then again, the design philosophy between European and North American machines are completely different. I've always found a lot of European designs to be very non-intuitive. For example, some symbols which are fairly universal in Europe don't exist in North America. (Like the symbols found on V-Zug washers.) Or using letters or numbers to signify cycle types, but the description on the front panel is very short or not there at all. Like I might see "Cycle F-Sup. FabriCare". What is that? What does it do? Why would I want to use it?

Perhaps if you wrote operators manuals for these concepts, it would help you think about the ergonomics of them and perhaps would make them more North American friendly. :)
 
It can and will be done... The manuals that is..

Thdy will be Made either in Ireland or the UK

As to their internals... Think... Bendix 7147A. Only better and they would have a lifespan of a miele machine
If ariston hadnt already used it our slogan would be
... On and on and on...
Check back later for manuals and any other info that is requested.
 
I apologize for the lengthy post...

I just thought I should comment on another thing in this thread, since I was thinking about it.

At a lot of companies, there are entire research teams dedicated to figuring out how to make their products more ergonomic and intuitive to use, while reducing the amount of possible user error which could happen if the user doesn't read the manual.

One of the biggest philosophies at Apple for example, is that they wanted to make the computer extremely intuitive and simple to use, for someone who doesn't understand computers. This is exactly why they've become so big as a company.

One of the things I've learned in life is that if someone can find out an incorrect way to use a machine, they will. This especially applies to appliances.

Just to put things into perspective, here's a video of someone with an LG waveforce washer who attempted to wash a king sized comforter using the default "Cottons" setting.

The problem was, both the person was wrong and the machine was wrong. The person should have known to use the "Bulky" cycle, but they didn't, presumably because they didn't read the manual. On the other hand, the machine should have known there was an unusual problem and compensated for it, but it didn't.

The end result is disaster. Even worse, it's things like this that can destroy a company because an engineer didn't think that this could happen.

So, even though I think it's great that you are drawing up these designs, the problem is, you shouldn't be using what you see in your house as an example. You should be rethinking how one should interact with their machines. You have to make them "Idiot Proof" while still allowing for enough functionality and features for the more advanced user to utilize.

There are people at Ariston and Indesit who get paid to think of things like this every day. When the engineering staff meet up with these designers and product teams, they determine these exact answers to these questions. The companies that make a product easy to use are the ones that sell the most product, right?

It's one thing to propose a washer for example, which spins at 2000 RPM. How do you stop a user from telling it to spin that fast with a load of very heavy items, which could potentially destroy the machine? Better yet, how do you engineer the machine to take that user error into account so it doesn't do that?

One individual I read about in another forum was complaining about how his Miele washer had destroyed all of his clothing. It turned out he was using Persil and the default cottons setting with all of his clothing, expecting it would wash all of his laundry perfectly. Of course, the hot water made the coloured items bleed into his whites and the Persil faded everything. From the users perspective, the machine was a piece of junk, but the machine only did was it was told to do. The machine wasn't really suitable for the user because the user didn't know how to operate it properly.

What the user ended up doing instead was getting rid of his Miele and getting a conventional Top loading Speed Queen washer, because it had the settings he knew what to do with.

In your drawings, what I see above would be something I would see in a European Household. To me, it's bizarre, strange, confusing and complicated. For you, you've seen designs like this all of your life so you know what to expect and you would know how to use it. What I see is something which a typical North American wouldn't be used to.

So, before you open up your graphics program and start drawing out what you'd like to see in your house, ask yourself, "How would I design something to be idiot proof, yet give me all of the functionality I wanted?" Better yet.. Think of the process behind what you would like to do when you do laundry.

What would you do when you approach the machine? What buttons would you want to push, dials to twist, etc and in what order? What would you expect to see on the display? What sort of feedback would you expect from the appliance?

To put things into a clearer perspective, how would you do it if you never ever did laundry before in your life and didn't know anything about it?

Then start asking yourself questions like, "How would I stop the machine if I needed to?" ... Or, "What happens if I use the wrong settings or didn't push the right buttons? Or even push them at all?"

Like anything, user interface is a process. Considering that these are appliances, it should be simple, intuitive, easy to use yet flexible and powerful. The less someone has to think about what they need to do to get the machine to do what they want it to, the better.

More to the point, if a user has to delve into a 500-page instruction manual, they're not going to read it, they just want it to work for them NOW with minimal effort. This is why I asked you to think about what an instruction manual would look like for your designs.

Find someone with an Apple iPhone and just try calling your home with it. Ask yourself how many pages of instructions you had to read before you could do it. I guarantee you'll say "Zero."

FYI, Technical writers get paid well to design and write operation manuals for equipment. They provide input into the user processes and are the last point before a user calls a support line to ask about how to do something. Getting practice writing technical manuals is a very valuable skill, especially when it comes to appliance design and engineering.

If you can do that, then what is a concept now becomes a reality. If you do it right, you can change the way the user thinks before they use the machine.. and you change their thinking to the way you want them to think. That's such a powerful concept, isn't it? :-)
 
Things to think about...

Before you go any further with any other designs, look at it from my perspective.

Theoretically, I have six pairs of fictional jeans in my laundry basket. I just walked up to the fictional washer you designed.

I open the door, put the jeans in, close the door. I open up the dispenser and put in the detergent.

Now what?

Well, I see a power button so I push that. The machine comes to life. OK.. I see a dial so I turn it until I see the display say something which kind of resembles what I want to wash... Of course, I'm going to turn that dial all 360 degrees, through all sixteen positions until the display says something useful.

At that stage, I'm hoping that something saying "Jeans" or "Denim" comes up on the display, but I know that most washers work best on the cottons setting, so I'll probably just use that.

At this point, I'm not sure what to do, but I do see a button labelled with a play/pause symbol, which is something I'm familiar with, so I'll push it and hope that the machine does something useful.

Now, let's say that for your fictional machine, it uses a 2000 RPM spin cycle on the Cottons setting. A serious case of user error has now happened because, Unfortunately, page 23 of the fictional instruction manual (Which doesn't really exist, but should) says, "DO NOT WASH JEANS ON THE COTTONS SETTING!" ... So, after it tried to ramp up for the spin, the machine noticed an unbalanced condition and used a slower, delicate spin instead of destroying itself.

Unfortunately, the jeans came out wet at the end of the load and my conclusion as a user is that there is something wrong with the machine. A service call later and the lady on the phone says, "Oh, you should use position 14 for Denim. That's the "WORKCL" cycle."

Of course, at this point in time, I'm angry because nobody told me this and I was too lazy to read the manual. My next action will be to either read the instruction manual so I know better next time, or take the washer back and find something easier to use, using the excuse that it doesn't get my clothes dry.

This is exactly what a user is going to think and this is probably what will happen. This is certainly not how you want them to think.

I do technical support for computers for a living, I deal with this every day and computers are infinitely more complex. :-)

So, What do you think the solution to this problem would be? If you know the answer, that's what will pay the bills if you became a product engineer at one of these companies.
 
One last comment, I promise...

Well, it's 3:48 AM here and I'm a bit tired... I promise this is my last comment for the night and then I'm going to bed...

I apologize if I sound like I'm patronizing you Mr. Ariston4life. It's a good exercise to think about what you want something to be like and then describe it in every imaginable detail.

However, the reality of the situation is that you can say you want this, or that, or design this, that and the other thing, but until you actually do it in real life, you won't be taken seriously.

The world is full of people who talk about doing things, but they don't do them. If you have a real dream and a true dream, something you can be completely passionate about and it consumes you, then only you can make it happen.

The world is full of excuses and it's easy to let those excuses crush your dreams, but even the biggest dreamers did things that nobody said they could do, but only because they did actually do them. They put their lives on the line and risked everything so they could do it too.

There is a lot of engineering which goes into building an appliance. Any appliance. It's a lot of work and a lot harder than just drawing something in a program. There's electronic engineering, mechanical engineering, Quality Assurance, etc, etc.

If you are really serious about this and you want to make something like this a reality, go to University and get a Mechanical Engineering degree. Learn how to design something better than everyone else then build it. Get all of the right people to help you market it to the public.

You can fantasize about this all you want, but at the end of the day, results are what matter. When you know how a refrigerator works, you can build one. When you know how to fabricate a cabinet to put it in, you can build that too. As much as I hate to say this man, a drawing won't clean my clothes. :-)

I wish you the best of luck and I honestly hope that you find a career path which makes your dreams become a reality.
 
Qualin makes some good points, and all things that are worth considering when designing.

A few questions on the machines that I would ask, if they were real and I were looking to buy them:
- What's the panel in the bottom of all three machines that looks like a filter on the washer?
- What is the difference between a pots cycle and a pans cycle on the dishwasher?
- What is the difference with the timed cycles on the dryer, and why does only one have cooldown? It seems there's hot and cool selectors as buttons...

It's interesting seeing these, I'm sure many of us have sketched machines and tech things in the past.
 
My design...

Not a patch on Luke's but here we are...

The Nolan Superwash 1500

- 1500rpm
- 7.5kg
- Super paddles
- Ultimate tumble system
- Eco wash at 25 degrees in 27 minutes
- 15 Wash Programmes
- £329 RRP

Jacob

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qualin

I see your point an value your input... however i do wish you could have waited for the manual which i am currently writing.

you said you do techinical support for computer for a living which is more complex.... i know allot about computers ive completed two years of studying to be a computer technician, i am now currently studying computer science after which i will then attend an institute of technology to get my masters degree in it. I know who complex computers can be.

next, about the fuctioning of a washing machine, you made so very valid points for me to consider which i will and implement into my next designs, i will however only post them on here if they are requested on this thread, i know all to well how mst people tend to wash everything on the one cycle...

well how about a machine that will predetermine the correct wash with the correct settings based on the amount of clothing in the drum and the type of clothing it detects and if the user accepts he or she need only press the accept button on a relitavly large and easy to understand/read touchscreen.

Jacob- thank you for your comments

Dascot- in reply to your questions-

- What's the panel in the bottom of all three machines that looks like a filter on the washer?
Answer: the panel at the base of the three machines is indeed where the filter is located in the center, however upon lifting the plinth from the bottom up will expose, screws that will allow the entire front of the machine to be removed, as an aid to an engineer should the machine ever need a repair.

- What is the difference between a pots cycle and a pans cycle on the dishwasher?
Answer- this i had to think about and then i thought, ok so pots are bulky and food can really stick to them so the Pots program washes them in 60* water and utilises the spray arms to their best to wash the pots acuratly
the pans program- pans are usualy slimy and grubby from oil and the food that may be cooked on it, so again by using hot water and utilising the spray arms and side sprays embedded in the walls of the dishwasher it will wash all dirt etc from the pans.

- What is the difference with the timed cycles on the dryer, and why does only one have cooldown? It seems there's hot and cool selectors as buttons...

Answer: i used timed instead of actual programs because it makes them more generic, however half of the dial is allocated to cottons, the other synthectics. i found with a dryer its easier just to select how long you want it to run for and not the other way around. i put seperate heat selecter buttons on the machine because allot of the time on dryers that just have the one button to select between hi and low once the text on the fascia people no longer knew wheter the machine was on high heat or low, so by having to buttons with text that wont fade they will always know the heat setting of the machine.

stay tuned for instruction manuals for the machines... and possibly one more to add to the collection.
 
My thoughts...

I like the idea of a touch screen instead of cryptic buttons. For example, like the button marked "S" on the washer. What does that mean? We all know that probably means "Spin" but for someone who doesn't know laundry, they may not know that it selects spin speed. If they did know, how do they know what is appropriate?

Before developing the solution, determine what the problem is first.

For example, how many different kinds of fabric are there? How many different ways does this fabric need to be treated and washed? How can this device accommodate those needs?

An excellent example of what Miele did for example was put in a "Beach Towels" setting on their FabriCare button. Basically, it adds a few extra rinses to get out sand and uses a high water level so that the towels can soak up the water.

Although, that's one side of it. My own Huebsch washer has Regular, Perm. Press, Delicates/Bulky, Rinse and Spin and Spin Only cycles and that's it. There's also an extra rinse switch. The company that developed it used the KISS (Keep It Simple) principle and figured those cycles would wash most clothing out there, whether they were cottons, synthetics, woolens or dedicates.

That's another thing to keep in mind when considering a design.

To answer your question:
> predetermine the correct wash with the correct settings based on the amount of
> clothing in the drum

That's a step in the right direction. There are already washers that can do that, they even have a "Load Level" indicator on the display to show how heavily loaded they are. (I think that's an awesome technology!)

> and the type of clothing it detects

Some university students are working on that. Some machines can detect soil level by circulating water through an electric eye. Detecting the types of clothing is a bit harder, but you could detect something which is unusual. For example, if the user is washing towels, they would soak up a lot of water. The machine could learn from this and determine that they must be washing towels, so caution must be made when spinning and the machine should make a lot of effort to auto-balance before ramping up the spin speed.

An excellent engineering problem would be if someone was washing bathmats. This can destroy a machine. Simply put, your concept machine could detect a user is doing this by detecting a severe out of balance condition on a low speed spin and compensate as needed by using auto balancing and pulse spins.

> accept button on a relitavly large and easy to understand/read touchscreen.

Ding! Theoretically, modern machines don't even need dials anymore, just a touch screen... but manufacturers are leaving the dial in because of aesthetics and ease of use. After all, everyone understands how a dial works!
 

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