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...and two days earlier than I had expected! I received a phone call at work from my Frigidaire dealer. He said "If you can run home and unlock your house, I'll have them in by 3:00." The phone had probably not even hit the cradle before I had grabbed my keys and was out the door.

They are a handsome pair, and at the last moment I decided to say goodbye to the top-loader as well as the dryer and front-loader. He gave me another $100 off the pair, as the TL'er is in perfect shape and only occasionally used. He'll resell it in the 'used' corner of his store.

The good news: It holds an amazing amount of clothes, and it cleans like a champ.

I should say it cleans like a champ much to my surprise, as the water temp never went higher than 110 degrees, even with options that used the heater. I was really disappointed until I saw the results, which were awesome.

The first load I washed was sheets, using the Whitest Whites cycle. It is amazing how little water there is in the tub---only about an inch at the bottom.

When you start a cycle, you hear water entering the dispenser for about 10 seconds, then a recirculating pump turns on and soapy water soaks the load. The first few minutes of the wash there is no water at all in the bottom of the tub. The clothes are fully saturated. Then it fills in a few more short bursts until there's about an inch of water at the bottom of the tub. Warm water---about 110 degrees--even when you select a hot wash. Sheets came out sparkling white.

Then, I washed a huge load of bath linens: Eleven 28" x 50" bath towels, ten 15" x 17" hand towels, and 10 wash rags (all white). I chose the Heavy Cycle and Stain Pretreat, as I'd cut myself shaving a couple of times last week, so there were some dried blood stains on the hand towels. As advertised, it filled with temp-controlled cold water, and then washed for 10 minutes, at which point the heater kicked in and it advanced to the wash cycle (no drain). To my utter shock, the water had heated to only about 110 degrees by the end of the wash cycle, even though I'd selected a hot wash.

However, I'd let it default to "Normal Soil", so on the next load (highly-stained kitchen whites plus some flour-sack dish towels which I used to wash an area of my concrete garage floor), I chose the Max Soil option, thinking it would heat the water to a higher temp with a longer wash. (It did not, by the way.) I added a Prewash (10 minutes in temp-controlled cold water, a drain and spin), then the Stain Pretreat, followed by 20 minutes of Steam. I used UK Persil Bio powder for both the prewash and wash, some Tri-Zyme in the wash and liquid chlorine bleach (which is dispensed during the first rinse.) I also opted for the extra (third) rinse. Total cycle time, about an hour and a half.

Steam Option: The washer drains and spins after the wash, then fills briefly, and tumbles for 20 minutes. I saw not one single wisp of steam anywhere in the tub. Again, disappointment. Just before the end of the steam routine, I opened the machine and the water temp was about 110, although the clothes felt somewhat warmer than the water. (The owner's manual says you may not see steam inside the washer, and that some steam may escape from a vent at the back of the washer. I saw nothing at all.)

At the end of the cycle, I pulled everything out and was astonished to find a large, old grease stain removed from a tablecloth, all stains completely removed from dish towels, chef's aprons, dish rags and bar mops, and the blackened garage floor towels all perfectly white. No chlorine smell.

I still can't explain how this was possible! I washed in much hotter water with my old front-loader, and it used far more water. The towels I used on the garage floor would have had tell-tale dark stains remaining on them with my old washer, using the same detergent and additives.

The only way I'll get a truly hot wash is to use the Sanitize cycle, apparently. I'll have to try that one on a load of whites later this week.

I also washed a big, heavy queen-sized comforter which fit easily into the machine without having to stuff it in.

The Max Fill option adds only a little extra water. Nothing to get excited about.

Somehow, this washer rinses well using very, very little water. I don't get it.

The 1300 rpm spin is awesome to watch!

Here are some pics. I'll try to get better ones later. [this post was last edited: 8/24/2010-00:39]

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The machine behaves very differently than my other front-loaders. It does a couple of brief, very slow spins to remove excess water. Then the pump shuts off, and it goes through a balancing protocol, during which it speeds up and slows down trying to get the load to balance perfectly. Then it zips up to about 400 rpms for a few seconds, stops, balances and goes into a stepped spin. The spins between the rinses step gradually up to about 600 rpms, much faster than my other washer. The pump turns on and off as needed during the spin.

Just for kicks, I did a Spin Only cycle after the comforter was done washing. The Bulky cycle has short spin, and I thought maybe I'd extract a significant amount of water with an extra spin. The pump didn't turn on 'til the machine was ramping down at the end of the 6-minute Spin Only. I guess it didn't sense a lot of water in the sump, so it stayed off.

The Energy Use tag: $10 per year with gas water heater; $12 with electric water heater.
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Interesting cycle selections. Very reminiscent of my Duet. I see it also has a "clean washer" cycle. Maybe Frigidaire is finally getting its act together.
 
Great looking machines! Odd that it didn't heat the water more than 110. I don't understand that. If I use the sanitary cycle on my Duet, it gets so hot that the washer feels like a clothes dryer running on the outside........:(......Max fill uses little extra water.......That's what I was afraid of......The Bulky cycle probably uses more. Try using bulky cycle AND max fill at the same time.....Thanks for taking the time to post all of the info.
 
YAY! Nice machines!

Wow, 110°F - that warm by Euro standards. Wonder what the "warm" setting is, not to mention "Eco Friendly"...

Very interesting about the Steam Option. So it's like an add-on step to the main wash?

What about Allergy? I think you something like 140°F to destroy allergens. How hot does it get and how many rinses are "multiple rinses"?

Is there really a recirc pump or just an additional nozzle in the boot, which the washer uses to fill? I can't remember the manual mentioning a recirc pump - although it would be great.

Do you like the dryer? It's quite a bit bigger than your old one, isn't it?

AND: will there by videos some time later? ;-)

Alex
 
Congratulations and "very interesting". I guess what is important is the clean, dazzling, white results despite what all the water amount and water level police around here think!!!
 
Frigilux, very nice new machines. What made you turn in your indexing T/L? I sold ours to a friend after i found the MT's on craigslist. Like we always said the indexing was fun. In reality they were pretty anemic at washing a reg. load, and poor with a large load. arthur
 
Alexander---There is definitely a recirculating pump. It turns on and off during the cycle, without having added any additional water. It runs for the first couple of minutes in the wash cycle, then again about 2/3 of the way through the wash. It also recirculates for a couple of minutes during the two rinses. There is so little water, that the recirculation is needed to saturate the load. Otherwise, it would take forever for the clothes in the center of a large load to get wet.

Mark---The Bulky cycle didn't seem to use much extra water, but the recirculating jet was on during more of the cycle. The comforter was totally saturated almost right away. I can understand people's complaints about bulky loads not getting wet in the middle 'til the end of the wash cycle if their machine uses little water and has no recirculation jet.

I'll try the Allergy option and the Sanitize cycle this week. They are supposed to heat the water to higher temps (152 degrees for Sanitize). I'm dumbfounded at how the machine got everything perfectly clean in warm water last night. It's so counterintuitive. As long as it cleans, rinses and extracts so well, I just need to let it do its thing and not think about it.

The huge load of towels was dry in 40 minutes last night. A load only about half that size took 70 minutes to dry after being spun and dried in my former pair.

Amazing.

The dryer's lint filter is much bigger and the mesh much finer than on my other dryer. It feels more like nylon fabric than a lint filter.

I tried the Steam Refresh on a cotton blend shirt and a 100% cotton pair of black Docker's that I wore to work yesterday. All the big wrinkles around the abdominal area of the pants were removed, and the shirt looks great, too. YAY!! I hate to iron pants, as they can get shiny and most of mine are pleated. I also hate to wash them every time I wear them just to get rid of the wrinkles, as they start to wear and fade at the seams. I put the shirt back in the closet and will wear the pants to work again, today. I threw them in before I got in the shower, then pulled them out 15 minutes later, completely dry, wrinkle-free and ready to wear. That, to me, is worth the price of admission. And I love having a 7.0 cu. ft. dryer drum.
 
Thanks!

Good to know Electrolux is using its famous Jet System in USA now, too. I remember seeing some older videos on YouTube, where a Euro washer basically went into distribution and then sprayed the water into the drum, thus wetting the dry load instantly. Our old washer did not do this for the beginning of the wash but during the rinses: it would spray water into the drum as it was slowing down to saturate the clothes.

Here is an excerpt from NSF about the Allergy Option on NFS certified washers:

Q: What are the requirements to be certified to NSF Protocol P351?
A: The protocol specifies that washing machines must demonstrat the ability to kill dust mites and wash away a minimum of 95% of pet dander and dust mite allergen loadings in a common load of household laundry. Manufacturers may also choose to certify for removal claims for canine dander, cockroach allergen and birch pollen.
The wash water temperature is evaluated to determine its ability to kill dust mites. Published industry research has shown that dust mites are unable to survive in a water temperature of 55° Celsius (131° Fahrenheit), so the protocol requires that the wash cycle must be sustained at this temperature for at least three minutes.
NSF Protocol P351 also requires that the washing machine be designed to avoid accumulation of dirt and debris, be easily cleanable, and corrosion resistant.
 
Arthur---I had planned to keep the Frigidaire top-loader, but at the last minute, I decided I probably wouldn't use it much, and I could open up some space in my cramped laundry room. When I saw how little water the new washer used, and how cool the "hot" water temp was, I almost called the dealer and told him to bring the top-loader back. But the cleaning results were outstanding, so no problem.
 
Frigilux: if your "hot" wash temp is 110F, do you know what your hot water incoming water temp is? Does the machine appear to be using some sort of auto temp control to lower your wash temp down to 110F?
 
Jim---I thought about that today. My water heater is set at 130 degrees, but if it sits idle all day (or overnight) the water at the tap can go as low as 110. The washer uses so little water that it may be filling with mostly cool water in the line. I have a sink in the laundry room, but the hot water pipe is separate from the one that fills the washer, so I don't think purging the line at the sink will help.

I'll have to check next time I run a "hot" load to see if any cold water is being mixed in during the fill. It fills in such small bursts that it's hard to tell.

The drain portions of the cycle are almost comically short---about 5-6 seconds and all the water is gone.

I'll pay more attention to the fill and try purging the sink line to see if that gets hotter water to the washer. Or I may just need to increase the water temp to 140-150 at the water heater.
 
It sounds like it is doing its job in giving you clean laundry, so that is the most important thing. With using so little water, are you cutting back on the amount of detergent you use?

-Doug
 
Doug---I use the recommended amount, and I think the washer cleans well partly because the detergent is very concentrated in such a small amount of water. That's probably also why the first few minutes of the wash cycle uses a tiny amount of recirculated, soapy water to saturate the clothes.
 
Ages Ago Now

Remember reading some sort of professional appliance design journal about water savings and H-Axis washing machines.

Upshot was that once water use goes below a certain amount, recirculation pumps become mandatory for proper laundering results.

When one thinks of how front loading washing machines work, it becomes clear why the above is required.

If there is not enough water to saturate textiles as they are lifted and dropped, then what water there is must be "forced" through the laundry somehow.
 

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