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Hi Eugene,
Thanks so much for the information. I am so surprised to hear that the new models have recirculation and I agree that is what they all need with very little water. As far as the spinning does it give good spins between the rinses and does it go into spins rather fast or take forever to balance. The horrible LG took forever to balance and that is what took so much time added. It would be nice if they made this into a combo.
Best Of Luck
Peter
 
Power Shower

I wonder how long it will be before the government mandates a recirculating pump in our showers. The basin will fill with 3 gallons of hot water and then recirculate it through the showerhead for 5 minutes. Then it will drain and give you four short cold sprays. When you step out of the shower, you will have to walk through a Dyson body dryer. No more towels.

Malcolm
 
Peter---I really like the spins between rinses. They gradually wring out the excess suds/water, then ramp up to approx. 600 rpms. I believe this is part of why it rinses well with only two rinses. The balancing protocol is brief for the spins between washes/rinses, but the one for the final spin can take awhile. The longest so far is about 12 minutes. I'm learning to just walk away and let it do its thing. The pump shuts off during the balancing acts. In fact, the pump usually shuts off about a minute or two into the final spin, then kicks in again when it ramps down at the end. Energy-saving and pump-saving, as well.

Malcolm---Re: Showers; Don't give anyone any ideas!! You may be saying "You heard it here, first!" in a couple of years, LOL.
 
Yes......The spinning between the rinses is GREAT! My duet spins on medium between rinses, then 1000 rpm on the last; though sometimes it doesn't quite make it to medium spin speed which I think is 600 rpm on some loads. I've never figured that out. I'm so AFRAID if anything ever goes wrong with my Duet that I KNOW I will be disappointed in the amount of water these 2010 and future model machines use since I've tweaked mine to use more water. I don't think you can tweak the newer front loaders. When I say "tweak" I'm not talking about a drastic increase, just a subtle increase with much more sloshing but not too much as to compromise cleaning. Unless I overlooked it, wait til you see the clean washer cycle. I'm sure it will be a trip to watch.
 
Frigidaire vs Electrolux?

Is there any difference between this TOL and the Electolux touchwave?

About that shower thing... They have already thought about it over here ^^ but due to building requirements and health regulations those things won't be possible.
 
Sounds like a very similar cycle

to my new SQ. I upped the water level especially after Terry & Greg kept raveing about liquid tide and I saw its disastrous effects on FL'ers. The SQ burst spins up to 700 RPM's 4 times between washes and rinses. The pump shuts off during the bursts then starts up again and you can hear the water chugging down the drain pipe.
It must have a strong pump because I was taking the hose out to check the clarity of the rinse water and only partially inserted it back in the drain stand. Next wash it flew out and shot water all over the place just like the old Westy Slant fronts do!
 
Peter---Yes, there is an extra (3rd) rinse option called Freshwater Rinse. I only use it when I add liquid chlorine bleach to a load, since it dispenses in the first rinse. Otherwise, I haven't found it necessary to use either the Max Fill option or the extra rinse in order to get good rinsing results.

Jon---I'm estimating the between-rinses spins at 600 on my machine. I'm not exactly sure how fast it goes. It looks roughly like the same speed as my toploader, which was 618 rpms. I don't think I'd raise the water level in the machine---even if I could---as it seems to be washing and rinsing very well where it's set. I'm afraid if I try to raise the level, I'll get sudsing issues in the rinse cycles with my hyper-soft water. I hope Speed Queen can get wider distribution, as in the old days when there were SQ dealers everywhere. Everyone at AW.ORG who owns one says they're built like tanks, and seem very happy with them.

Askomiele-- I don't know enough about the Electrolux line to comment on how close the Frigidaires are to them, but I'm guessing the wonderful changes to the new Frigidaire line were handed-down from the high-end Electrolux models.[this post was last edited: 8/25/2010-11:08]
 
I think the only way to increase the water level is to lengthen the hose between the tub and the digital pressure sensor, which is what many washers seem to use these days.

As for purging the hot water line: I have the service manual - only five pages - attached. It actually is for the Electrolux washers, but since the IQ Touch and the Frigidaires basically look identical, I think it might just work on the Frigies as well.

Diagnostic Mode

Alex
 
I remember reading Electrolux consumer reviews (Best Buy I think) and a number of reviewers wrote that the purchased it partly because it featured the reversible door, and a left-hinged door would not work in their installation situation. So it appears to be an exclusive feature among all US models. The new Frigidaires appear to offer just as good cleaning and possibly more water/energy efficiency, and almost as much capacity (bear mind mind, 3.5 cu ft was the largest Frigidaire until introduction of these new modesl) but people who need a door that hinges on the right will have to buy Electrolux.
 
I mentioned earlier that when you choose the ADD STEAM option to a cycle, the washer drains/spins after the wash and fills to begin the 20-minute "steaming". I just found out, while washing a load of whites tonight using the HEAVY cycle, that the steam portion of the cycle is also considered the first rinse! The screen says ADDING STEAM for the first 15 minutes, then the recirculation pump kicks in and the message changes to RINSING. I had liquid chlorine bleach in the dispenser, and it dispensed in what was now the 2nd rinse. I'd chosen the FRESHWATER RINSE option, so there was one more rinse after the bleach had been dispensed.

This explains why, when I washed whites with the steam option a few days ago--- and having forgotten to add the extra FRESHWATER RINSE---I found the clothing had a noticeable bleach scent at the end of the cycle. The bleach had dispensed into the second (final) rinse of the cycle!

Having made this unsettling discovery tonight, I'm amazed at how little chlorine scent there was (I used almost 1/2 cup of bleach) after only one more rinse.

Ergo, if I want two rinses after the bleach has been dispensed, I should not use the ADD STEAM option. Or, I'll have to run a RINSE & SPIN cycle, afterward.[this post was last edited: 9/2/2010-22:43]
 
Frigidaire!

Eugene thanks for the information, seems like they have made a lot of changes. My mother has the GLTF2940FS for over 5 years and she Loves it. On that model you can get up to 4 rinses. Seems these energy savings are crazy. I am surprised that the instruction book doesnt say anything about this and also I see no documentation about recirculation that you spoke about. But most of all I assume you give the machine a thumbs up.
Thanks
Peter
 
Peter---It has cleaned everything I've thrown at it without a problem, and I haven't been using the extra rinse (except when using chlorine bleach) or the MAX FILL options.

I'm just glad I figured out this "steam option as first rinse" business. It only matters if you've added liquid chlorine bleach to the dispenser.

The recirculation jet is awesome, and I'm sure it's what allows the machine to use so little water. I think the recirculation feature is the reason why these new machines are called the "Ready Wash" system. I read a few days ago that these four new Frigidaire models took the top four places in the Energy Star Efficiency Ratings.

I'd also love to know what the G-force is in that huge tub when it's spinning at 1300 rpm.
 
Frigidaire (adding bleach)!

Actually another way to add bleach is add it to the main wash dispenser with some water to flush it the last 5 to 7 minutes of the wash cycle.
 
I'm not even sure that will work, Peter, as whatever I pour into the dispenser may sit in a sump until the recirculation pump kicks in. For instance, when the machine first begins to fill, most of the incoming water is routed to the dispenser, while a little is allowed to trickle in via the fill nozzle (this is not coming from the dispenser). After about 10-15 seconds of fill time, the water shuts off, the recirculation pump kicks in, and the soapy water is blown all over the load.

Every time a product is supposed to be dispensed, the recirculation pump is on--for pre-wash, wash, bleach (first rinse), and fabric softener (2nd rinse).

I'll try pouring water into the dispenser later in the wash cycle and see if it goes directly into the the tub or not.
 
Steam = 1st rinse. So that's why the manuals for both the Frigidaire and the E-Lux say that rinse water temperatures will be elevated when adding steam...

FWIW, the large Miele washer, with its .8 cu.ft. smaller tub has a G rating of 520 when spinning at 1300 rpm.
 
Lawrence---Here's a full-length photo of the new set. I didn't get the pedestals, as I decided to use the top of the machines as a folding area. I've had the pair for a few weeks now, and they are performing flawlessly. Considering a new top-of-the-line LG washer is $1800, I feel I received good value for the dollar paying $1800 for these TOL units.

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Eugene that's a very nice washer pair seems like your enjoying this washer does the recirculating water jet stays on the whole time it washes ?
Have you had to add any water or wish too?
How is the balancing act on this guy ?

Off topic...
How are your new babeies the cats...
Glad you got the washer.

Darren k.
 

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