The New SQ TL Washers

[johnb300m]

LOL....OMG people.
It's not even for sale yet.

You're crucifying your sacred brand because of a modern mechanism change.
And you haven't even tried them yet, because they don't wash clothes the same way they were done 100 years ago?

It's just like all the futile FL machine arguments on here.
They use less water, but all us modern FL users here keep saying they're working quite well and all our clothes are clean.
Yet some people dictate that our experiences must be wrong because they "feel so." (eyeroll)
What if these new machines perform dang good and wash like the dickens, but just don't do it the way YOU want it too?
Does that make them bad?

Mechanically, I agree with John. Looks like these things are TOUGHER than the current chassis.
That drive shaft is HUUUUGE.
It's bigger and thicker than some cars!
And there's no mode shifter on here that I see.
Hence why the agi. and tub move together, all the time.
Since it's the mode shifters that always seem to break, looks like SQ eliminated that trouble spot.

Now it's no secret my disdain for the cult following of SQ and their meager performance [ INNNN MYYYY OPINIONNNNN ]
But if they can pull this off in this MORE tank-like platform, more power to them! I'm still glad there's another US laundry maker around.

 

[duttyb11]

Oh my...

so i dont understand will the new machines tub move in the opposite direction as the agitator...will the agitator remain stationary....will this machine produce less sound and sound more like a front loader? will spin speed stay the same?

 

[agiflow2]

Johnb300m. I for one hope these do well, i will as I said have an open mind about these new washers. Speed Queen I am sure know what they are doing. This company has been around for soo long. I am sure they have studied and done their homework. If not there is always their front load washer to consider or WP flers.

 

[brucelucenta]

The one thing I would really like to see is a pic of the inside of the new machine, agitator and tub.

 

[henene4]

A few things came to my mind.

First, there is nothing in the way of a transmision or torque converter used. Thus, building these should be somewhat cheaper. So maybe they'll be abled to pass those savings on.

Second of all, these should be quieter, given that they should use an inverter type motor now and becuse there is no more transmission.

Next, one would suppose they enabled a higher spin speed. No transmission that would suffer, it is a variable speed motor anyways and the drive system should be verry rugged in general. The transmission might have to be tweaked for higher spin speeds.

Further, given that these do not have a lid lock, I am intrigued by how they'll manage to stop that drum via motor and belt. One would assume opening the lid mid spin would wear down the belt rather quickly.

And, last but not least, the whole wash&#92rinse question. A good mechanical design with poor programming will still be awfull. A spray rinse in normal eco mode is given. Agitation will be interesting, but certanly better then the Frigidaire disaster. Maybe they'll use more soak pauses and thus score better in terms of gentleness?

Who knows, we will see...

 

[agiflow2]

Actually Bob, Speed Queen dryers are fine machines. I followed the manufacturers instructions and found the spot between more and less dry * works on all loads I have dried very well. Mine has been working flawlessly since April 2013.

 

[gusherb]

My only other reservation besides the wash action/programming/water temperature etc will be the electronics driving the motor. If they're using the same boards that drive the front loaders then we already know it should be ok but if it's something completely new then nobody will know for awhile. I doubt these machines will have any mechanical issues until they're already worn out, electronics OTOH will be another story. (But you can't escape that without going vintage anymore so SQ will probably still be the best bet).

I'm eager to get my hands on a manual for these to see how they're programmed.

 

[Chetlaham]

Thank you- and looking good Nice to see they have kept the suspension and metal parts.

Any pics of the agi?

 

[maytag85]

What happened to the transmission?

Why did they get rid of the transmission, and why is the agitator bolted to the tub? Speed Queen should ignore the department of energy requirements, and they should also ignore the EPA regulations. I've lost faith in Speed Queen. I can go on and on, and on about why they should have kept the transmission.

 

[henene4]

So why and how?

Tell why they should have kept the transmission and how they should ignore legislation?

 

[maytag85]

This makes my blood boil!!!!!!!!

I makes me angry they got rid of the transmission, and how the motor is going to reverse back and forth and going to sound obnoxious while in action! The EPA/Department of energy needs to mind their own damn business, and let us have washing machines that use water, and have a transmission that allows the washer to do its job. The only place these new Speed Queen washers deserve to go is the scrap pile...

 

[jkbff]

How do you ignore a government mandate in the country you manufacture your product?

 

[henene4]

Noise

Probably gonna be way lower anyways. Less moving parts, less active time for the motor over all.

Interesting how you can hate a product that has not even yet made it to the production line...

 

[agiflow2]

The job of the federal government is to protect its people. You want more government and this is what you get.

 

[maytag85]

It almost feels like we lost our American freedom...

 

[norgeway]

This is WHY

I'm using all vintage appliances, As soon as I find a suitable fridge I will have a total vintage kitchen and laundry, I intend to keep finding more vintage stuff and store them up , surely at 52 years old I can put away enough stuff to use the rest of my life, I DONT LIKE CHANGE...if I did I would have a range and a washer and dryer that had tons of computer boards and electronic gadgets!!as it is I have nearly 1000 vacuums and over 500 mixers and blenders, tons of vintage cookware and small appliances,I intend to buy up several sets of vintage washers and dryers and a couple of real dishwashers, with any luck I wont EVER have to put up with what the government says I should use!!!

 

[maytag85]

50 years ago and up we had more freedom, and we could create whatever we wanted to, but sadly those days are over. Again, the EPA/ Department of energy and the government needs to mind their own damn business. Speed Queen was a good company until they made their new POS machines. I don't even care for Speed Queen anymore...

 

[gusherb]

And I thought I was taking the changes to the SQ TL lineup badly...

 

[Chetlaham]

Boiling blood

I do not blame Speed Queen. I blame the government for continually forcing people how to eat, think, live, feel, act, behave... ect, ect, ect, ect, ect. Society would progress more in 1 year then it has in the last 100 if free will wasn't a crime. I will leave it at that as its not the forum and I could rant to the point the server crashes. Yes I feel your pain brother, but their hands are tied.

But going back: with low water there is only so much you can do. Building a transmission with multiple revolutions and complex acceleration/deceleration (assuming that is being done here) is far to complex and there is more that can go wrong. Control boards are already used and perfected in FL washers, so I would imagine adapting them to this is a no brainier. Eliminating extra parts lowers costs and increases longevity.

I am on John's side regarding the agi tub, but in defense of Speed Queen this allows them to ditch the mode shifter which is nothing more than a part begging to fail. Can you imagine a mod sifter in a laundry mat with over loaded washers lasting as long? Not to mention a mode shifter can fail such that the agitator spins and not the tub.

But none the less I mourn the loss of a once great era. I feel your pain guys. But looking at the positive aspect we have a company that is still making long life washers. And with this design longevity potentially goes up. Yes the control board or motor might fail in X years, but can you compare that to the current transmission failing in X years? A failed control board might cost $$$$, but anyone can replace one. A transmission on the other hand requires the whole machine to be scrapped.

 

[agiflow2]

Unfortunately I can't store up old machines, let alone finding parts to keep them running. I will have to accept whatever is available at the time. Not so bad I guess. Just wish manufacturers would have longevity and quality in mind.

Funny how we must "conserve" but throw a major appliance away in under 10 years because of built in obsolescence. What a joke. Some actually believe new appliances are better in overall reliability ? How so ?

I thank God my gas range has analog mechanical controls and a full width backlight. It will suck when I have to get rid of it. Though I will say I like the look of the new Frigidaire ranges with the red accents. Pretty sharp looking.