autowasherfreak
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I think she looks quite stylish for being BOL. Happy that she found a new home.
The Pile coughs up another wonderful find...
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I must say,
That one good looking Kenmore! Maybe I'll get down to Charlotte one day and see it.
That one good looking Kenmore! Maybe I'll get down to Charlotte one day and see it.
24" BB KM WASHER
Great little washer save I am glad Gordon is getting this one now I won't have to worry about mine disappearing when Gordon visits. I have the slightly more deluxe version of this machine with the self cleaning , infinite water levels and 5 water temp combos. Your machine would actually have warm rinses on the hot and warm settings. The best inlet valve to use on this machine is the WP PT # 258277 this is the yellow colored valve. This has no flow restrictor unlike the MT inlet valve that was installed, both valves are the same quality. They are both made on the same assembly line by Dole a divisor of Eaton corp. The reason a washer occasionally lasts this long is a combination of very good care, good installation, very light use and of corse an excellent machine in the first place. A brand new WP or MT DD washer treated the same way will easily last 40 years with very few problems. Quality of build is aprox 5 times better today than it was in 1969 and materials are much longer lived today. The avarage WP washer was long gone after 12 years in the late 1960s, MTs were usually kept a few years longer partly because of the higher initial cost and of corse due to a high quality drive line. One other thing to keep in mind is an older machine like this if put in regular weekly use of a half dozen loads or more per week will not last another 40 years, in fact when we have sold these older pristine machines we have seen them go down hill very fast. Unless you do a complete tear down and replace the parts that usually fail, then they usually don't last all that long.
Great little washer save I am glad Gordon is getting this one now I won't have to worry about mine disappearing when Gordon visits. I have the slightly more deluxe version of this machine with the self cleaning , infinite water levels and 5 water temp combos. Your machine would actually have warm rinses on the hot and warm settings. The best inlet valve to use on this machine is the WP PT # 258277 this is the yellow colored valve. This has no flow restrictor unlike the MT inlet valve that was installed, both valves are the same quality. They are both made on the same assembly line by Dole a divisor of Eaton corp. The reason a washer occasionally lasts this long is a combination of very good care, good installation, very light use and of corse an excellent machine in the first place. A brand new WP or MT DD washer treated the same way will easily last 40 years with very few problems. Quality of build is aprox 5 times better today than it was in 1969 and materials are much longer lived today. The avarage WP washer was long gone after 12 years in the late 1960s, MTs were usually kept a few years longer partly because of the higher initial cost and of corse due to a high quality drive line. One other thing to keep in mind is an older machine like this if put in regular weekly use of a half dozen loads or more per week will not last another 40 years, in fact when we have sold these older pristine machines we have seen them go down hill very fast. Unless you do a complete tear down and replace the parts that usually fail, then they usually don't last all that long.
Andy, just now getting ot this. It's not BOL that's for sure, more like a 24" Kenmore 500 is what I'd call it. I neger really liked these low end Kenmores vey much. But, now that we don't have anything like this now, I couled sure love it too.
Gordon, don't you think the water level needs to be adjusted up some? The way it was washing and sloshing water around in the movement around the tub, reminded me of about 3/4 water level on our Kenmore 800. I would think one would want water higher than the top of the agitator fins still being slightly exposed.
Gordon, don't you think the water level needs to be adjusted up some? The way it was washing and sloshing water around in the movement around the tub, reminded me of about 3/4 water level on our Kenmore 800. I would think one would want water higher than the top of the agitator fins still being slightly exposed.
laundryshark
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SWEET!!!
Another cool Kenmore demo added to my Sears Kenmore and Whirlpool computer folder. Thanks a ton for sharing this!--Laundry Shark
Another cool Kenmore demo added to my Sears Kenmore and Whirlpool computer folder. Thanks a ton for sharing this!--Laundry Shark
lordkenmore
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"It's not BOL that's for sure, more like a 24" Kenmore 500 is what I'd call it."
It is a lot like the 500...although not exactly the same as one 500 of that era I use. Still, it's probably much closer to that 500 than the BOL.
Having used simple machines like this, I have to say they really do pretty much everything I'd ever need to do.
It is a lot like the 500...although not exactly the same as one 500 of that era I use. Still, it's probably much closer to that 500 than the BOL.
Having used simple machines like this, I have to say they really do pretty much everything I'd ever need to do.
redcarpetdrew
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100 vs 500
If you watch the video, you'll see that the inside of the lid says it's a 100. Since I don't know, I'll aak what the difference between a 100 and a 500 is...
Spray and Wash, huh? I always wondered what took out all those panel faces.
RCD
If you watch the video, you'll see that the inside of the lid says it's a 100. Since I don't know, I'll aak what the difference between a 100 and a 500 is...
Spray and Wash, huh? I always wondered what took out all those panel faces.
RCD
lordkenmore
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"Since I don't know, I'll aak what the difference between a 100 and a 500 is..."
I'm using what I is, as far as I know, a 1969 500. The major differences:
-Size of machine (29")
-Water level control (3 levels)
-Agitator (although I don't know if the one currently present was standard for all machines.)
There are also cosmetic differences, which is to be expected, given Sears in that era. (If it weren't for vintage washers, and sometimes seeing old cars on the road, it would be so hard to believe there was a time when everything didn't look the same. Sigh.)
I posted info about this machine a year or so ago under my old screen name. Link to my old post:
I'm using what I is, as far as I know, a 1969 500. The major differences:
-Size of machine (29")
-Water level control (3 levels)
-Agitator (although I don't know if the one currently present was standard for all machines.)
There are also cosmetic differences, which is to be expected, given Sears in that era. (If it weren't for vintage washers, and sometimes seeing old cars on the road, it would be so hard to believe there was a time when everything didn't look the same. Sigh.)
I posted info about this machine a year or so ago under my old screen name. Link to my old post:
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lordkenmore
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There is also a matching Kenmore 500 dryer, which will probably get hot with rage unless mentioned.
Link to the post about the 500 dryer:
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Link to the post about the 500 dryer:
The Kenmore 500 Dryer
In another thread, I posted pictures of the Kenmore 500 washer I'm using. It has a friend--a matching 500 dryer. (Model # on Id plate is bit hard to read, but it's somethinglike 110-6908510w00). I don't use it, since I air dry. Like the washer, it appears to be cosmetically worn, but it does...
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Kenmore 100, 200, 500, etc.
The Kenmore series numbering scheme, which was alternately called 50, 60, 70-series, or 500, 600 and 700, etc. is Kenmore's way of placing models in a hierarchy, just as Maytag did with their various series. The higher in the line, the fancier.
Kenmore often offered a number of machines within the same series, and especially in the 1960s, offered machines from several different model years simultaneously. For example, I know that the top-of-the-heap 1963, 1964, and 1965 Lady Kenmore washers were all available at the same time at a point in 1965. Oddly, the 63 was considered an 800, while the other two were 900s series machines. This was done to elevate the 3-speed washers above the rest in a new class of their own. HOWEVER, what determined a Kenmore 900 in 1964/1965 did not necessarily determine what was a Kenmore 900 in 1968, etc.
A Kenmore's specific series can be gleaned from it's model number. In this case, Andy says the model number is 110.6704112. The S and the W00 are not part of the official number, but the W means white. Anyway, when I heard this model number over the phone, I realized that this machine was the second in a series of 100 series washers. The first is 110.6704100. I have not had time to study the difference between the two models, but this machine started life as a 6704110, and had been revised twice. It's actually a 1967 model, and the first 6704110 had the black bakelite agitator. Upon changing to the plastic gold version, this would account for one of the model revisions.
As to what each series offers, that changed from year to year and still does. 24-inch machines don't always follow the convention set by the 29-inch washers either. In the 60s and 70s they often had reheated styling from previous years. I have a 1967 200 series 24-inch machine, which is the only 24-inch washer I have and it is not presently functional. It is styled just like this machine, however it has three water levels and five temps. That is a major jump for one series. Strangely, these machines are both 2-speed models, and have three cycles, etc. yet the have the BOL-ish blue tub, which in the 29-inch washers was used in the bare-bones washers only. Once a 29-inch machine got to have adjustable water levels and multi-cycles, the blue tubs were ditched in favor of the more durable speckled tubs, and ultimately the double-coated white ones.
I am not sure how long this machine was available beyond early 1969, but by 1972, the BOL 100 series 24-inch washer retained a similar control panel, but in different colors. It had single speed motor, and a two-cycle timer with Normal and Short only, still no water level selection, and no separate temp knob. Temps were set on the normal cycle as hot or warm only, cold rinse was timer-mandatory. There was no porcelain on the top or lid. By 1972, the 24-inch models followed 29-inch examples more closely and the true BOL of the 24-inch line was similar to the 29-inch brothers.
As some others have said, this particular model would have offered me all I needed if I was shopping for a washer. The lack of an adjustable water level in a machine this size for me would not be a handicap. In an 18lb it would be. I do agree that the water level will require adjustment, as it should rise a couple inches above the top of the fins on the agitator.
Gordon
The Kenmore series numbering scheme, which was alternately called 50, 60, 70-series, or 500, 600 and 700, etc. is Kenmore's way of placing models in a hierarchy, just as Maytag did with their various series. The higher in the line, the fancier.
Kenmore often offered a number of machines within the same series, and especially in the 1960s, offered machines from several different model years simultaneously. For example, I know that the top-of-the-heap 1963, 1964, and 1965 Lady Kenmore washers were all available at the same time at a point in 1965. Oddly, the 63 was considered an 800, while the other two were 900s series machines. This was done to elevate the 3-speed washers above the rest in a new class of their own. HOWEVER, what determined a Kenmore 900 in 1964/1965 did not necessarily determine what was a Kenmore 900 in 1968, etc.
A Kenmore's specific series can be gleaned from it's model number. In this case, Andy says the model number is 110.6704112. The S and the W00 are not part of the official number, but the W means white. Anyway, when I heard this model number over the phone, I realized that this machine was the second in a series of 100 series washers. The first is 110.6704100. I have not had time to study the difference between the two models, but this machine started life as a 6704110, and had been revised twice. It's actually a 1967 model, and the first 6704110 had the black bakelite agitator. Upon changing to the plastic gold version, this would account for one of the model revisions.
As to what each series offers, that changed from year to year and still does. 24-inch machines don't always follow the convention set by the 29-inch washers either. In the 60s and 70s they often had reheated styling from previous years. I have a 1967 200 series 24-inch machine, which is the only 24-inch washer I have and it is not presently functional. It is styled just like this machine, however it has three water levels and five temps. That is a major jump for one series. Strangely, these machines are both 2-speed models, and have three cycles, etc. yet the have the BOL-ish blue tub, which in the 29-inch washers was used in the bare-bones washers only. Once a 29-inch machine got to have adjustable water levels and multi-cycles, the blue tubs were ditched in favor of the more durable speckled tubs, and ultimately the double-coated white ones.
I am not sure how long this machine was available beyond early 1969, but by 1972, the BOL 100 series 24-inch washer retained a similar control panel, but in different colors. It had single speed motor, and a two-cycle timer with Normal and Short only, still no water level selection, and no separate temp knob. Temps were set on the normal cycle as hot or warm only, cold rinse was timer-mandatory. There was no porcelain on the top or lid. By 1972, the 24-inch models followed 29-inch examples more closely and the true BOL of the 24-inch line was similar to the 29-inch brothers.
As some others have said, this particular model would have offered me all I needed if I was shopping for a washer. The lack of an adjustable water level in a machine this size for me would not be a handicap. In an 18lb it would be. I do agree that the water level will require adjustment, as it should rise a couple inches above the top of the fins on the agitator.
Gordon
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Now that's a steal! Great job finding it.........
Not unlike the KM600 that I brought home from the Nashville area back in March - mine wasn't quite as clean underneath but everywhere else it was mint just as this one is. Hope it brings you great enjoyment!
Not unlike the KM600 that I brought home from the Nashville area back in March - mine wasn't quite as clean underneath but everywhere else it was mint just as this one is. Hope it brings you great enjoyment!
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1969 Sears Auto.Washer BOL
This is how I remember Kenmore, Quality even for the BOL, models. What a GEM! She just looks like new and runs so quietly...What a great find and saved her from the crusher..People are simply hypmotized to Have to Buy "the new product out there", its the marketing. I was in Sears the other night and looked at He Washers, what absolute tin machines and plasticized everywhere. I could not believe I was looking at Kenmore, TOO BAD FOR THEM, their market is shrinking for sure.
http://automaticwasher.org
This is how I remember Kenmore, Quality even for the BOL, models. What a GEM! She just looks like new and runs so quietly...What a great find and saved her from the crusher..People are simply hypmotized to Have to Buy "the new product out there", its the marketing. I was in Sears the other night and looked at He Washers, what absolute tin machines and plasticized everywhere. I could not believe I was looking at Kenmore, TOO BAD FOR THEM, their market is shrinking for sure.
http://automaticwasher.org
It's not just marketing on new washers. For a technician to go out, diagnose the problem, replace the part, and test, I'm betting you're in the $100.00+ range price wise. On a 40+ year old washer, that's not really feasable for the average homeowner, when you can get a new one for a couple hunderd more.
Well, the 500 it reminds me of is more like the 1963 to 1966 or any model which had the 3 main cycles and 3 water temps like above, but without a water level selector like on your 500. Friends of the family had one that they bought after they got married in 1963 or 1964. It had the 3 pastel cycle colors. the cycles were stationary on the panel and the timer dial had an elongated pointer. It is the exact same one as found on pages 14-17 of the 1963 LK owners manual in the user manual section. I discovered my next door neighbor had a 29" model which loked very similar to above when it was placed on her driveway waiting to be picked up by a scrapper or scavenger. Had an aunt that had the very same machine. It had the platic timer dial like above as well as I do believe a similar tyep of little plastic dial that had the 3 water temp selections. All three units I'm referrring to had the old-fasshioned metal filter cartridge instead of the golden plastic one as above which matches the agitator.
70series
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Late to the party............
Was in Baltimore this weekend and just got back. Awesome find Andy. She does look new with that shine under the lid. That gold agitator is my favorite. Looks good and takes no prisoners. My aunt had a 1970 Model 500 with the same exact agitator and filter so I know it's strength quite well.
Thanks for posting the video. Yours are some of my favorites.
Have a good one,
James
Was in Baltimore this weekend and just got back. Awesome find Andy. She does look new with that shine under the lid. That gold agitator is my favorite. Looks good and takes no prisoners. My aunt had a 1970 Model 500 with the same exact agitator and filter so I know it's strength quite well.
Thanks for posting the video. Yours are some of my favorites.
Have a good one,
James
rll70sman
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24-inch belt drives
Gordon,
In watching Redcarpetdrew's video, I noticed that this 24-inch machine has spray rinses. Was that always the case? Grandma's 1981 Kenmore didn't spray rinse, but I often wonder if that had something to do with the terrible water pressure.
To update you on the 1981 machine, it's almost complete! A few weeks ago, I gave it a good cleaning inside and out, installed a new inlet mixing valve, hose clamps, and lid bumpers, and put on a longer drain hose. I did a cold water test with the garden hose on the Cotton/Sturdy cycle. Running the machine in warm weather revealed that the agitation and spin actions are still strong, which wasn't the case back in April when the temperature was only in the 40s. Thus, since the original belt isn't worn or cracked, a new one is not needed nor does the original need to be tightened. There's no sign of transmission oil "sling" on the inner cabinet, either, which was pleasing.
I did confirm what was wrong, and it was a quick fix! When I went to replace the worn-out mixing valve, I noticed the inlet hose had detached from the mixing valve because the hose clamp was corroded and broken. Both clamps were replaced with the heavier, automotive-grade clamps. Along with the fact that my grandparents had awful water pressure, now I know why grandma quit using the machine for good and took it out....
All that's left is some scraping and sanding of the rusty spots on the cabinet and top. It should be good to go for, hopefully, at least another 10 years. Mom is in need of a washer so grandma gave it to her.
Rob
Gordon,
In watching Redcarpetdrew's video, I noticed that this 24-inch machine has spray rinses. Was that always the case? Grandma's 1981 Kenmore didn't spray rinse, but I often wonder if that had something to do with the terrible water pressure.
To update you on the 1981 machine, it's almost complete! A few weeks ago, I gave it a good cleaning inside and out, installed a new inlet mixing valve, hose clamps, and lid bumpers, and put on a longer drain hose. I did a cold water test with the garden hose on the Cotton/Sturdy cycle. Running the machine in warm weather revealed that the agitation and spin actions are still strong, which wasn't the case back in April when the temperature was only in the 40s. Thus, since the original belt isn't worn or cracked, a new one is not needed nor does the original need to be tightened. There's no sign of transmission oil "sling" on the inner cabinet, either, which was pleasing.
I did confirm what was wrong, and it was a quick fix! When I went to replace the worn-out mixing valve, I noticed the inlet hose had detached from the mixing valve because the hose clamp was corroded and broken. Both clamps were replaced with the heavier, automotive-grade clamps. Along with the fact that my grandparents had awful water pressure, now I know why grandma quit using the machine for good and took it out....
All that's left is some scraping and sanding of the rusty spots on the cabinet and top. It should be good to go for, hopefully, at least another 10 years. Mom is in need of a washer so grandma gave it to her.
Rob
mrb627
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Spin Sprays
Spin Sprays were disabled in the 24" machines at some poin in time. I can only assume it was a complaint about leaking/dripping when the machine was used as a portable. A simple wire jumper across two pins in the wiring harness will add the sprays back with little effort.
Malcolm
Spin Sprays were disabled in the 24" machines at some poin in time. I can only assume it was a complaint about leaking/dripping when the machine was used as a portable. A simple wire jumper across two pins in the wiring harness will add the sprays back with little effort.
Malcolm
SPRAY RINSES IN 24' BD WASHERS
Were taken out sometime in the late 1970s for the remainder of the BD production in 24" models. We were told at the time it was to save water I don't know if it made much sense but that was the reason given during the refresher training. After the late 1970s energy crisis a number of things were done in the name of saving energy some good and others dumb. I remember that WP also took top heat out of thier electric ovens to save power and had huge numbers of complaints about poor baking results and had to go back to having top heat, it also saved no power at all. The DD washers were introduced in mid 1981 as full size 24" models. The full size BD washers were not around very long after that, they were the first BD series to be discontinued in the change over to DD washers. It will be interesting to watch the currently occurring change over away from the DD washers.
Were taken out sometime in the late 1970s for the remainder of the BD production in 24" models. We were told at the time it was to save water I don't know if it made much sense but that was the reason given during the refresher training. After the late 1970s energy crisis a number of things were done in the name of saving energy some good and others dumb. I remember that WP also took top heat out of thier electric ovens to save power and had huge numbers of complaints about poor baking results and had to go back to having top heat, it also saved no power at all. The DD washers were introduced in mid 1981 as full size 24" models. The full size BD washers were not around very long after that, they were the first BD series to be discontinued in the change over to DD washers. It will be interesting to watch the currently occurring change over away from the DD washers.
