The rated #1, #2 and Absolute Last Rated Automatic Dishwashers

[combo52]

Three dishwashers (finally))

Hi Robert can't wait to come play all the apps Smity&I will see you @ christmas.( note on hot water heating systems no type of properly installed and operating system makes dust and dirt. Only forced air systems actually make the house cleaner because of the great air filters available today hot air systems are also the least dry systems when installed with a power humidifier.)

 

[volvoguy87]

Forced air and dust.

When properly maintained, a forced air system filters the air, unfortunately, so many people don't change their filters as often as they should, nor do they use sufficiently high-quality filters. My parents' filters are only changed when I visit and have time do it for them. They have 3 furnaces and they have gone over a year between filter changings.
I like hot water and steam heating because it tends to be more forgiving of less-than-perfect maintenance. Also, the silence of a properly-bled hot water system is wondrous to behold.

I love the dishwashers Robert. I just need to get a KD-12 too,
Dave

 

[polkanut]

How about bringing the James dw upstairs for something different?

 

[frigilux]

Beautiful machines, all three! How cool to have three different dishwashers to choose from when the table gets cleared. I'd be sitting in front of that KA watching cycles all the time.

And how long are the cycles on those vintage machines----30 minutes, maybe? Awesome!

 

[spiceman1957]

Robert,

These machines are in such pristine condition. what a fine collection you have. What was the reason why Consumer Report didn't like about the Youngstown? From what you were saying, it an efficient job in cleaning. Oh, I hope you were kidding about that Kitchenaid wash arm weighing 600lb ?

 

[tomturbomatic]

Details on the dishwashers

If you go to the CONSUMER ARTICLES button on this site and tab all the way down to the 1952 article on dishwashers, there are pages of reading matter. They so disliked the Youngstown that they did not put in the cycle time, but I think I remember that it took 9 minutes for one wash and two rinses. I could be and probably am mistaken, but I think that time was given in an ad for the machine. I did not time the one I watched; it was too exciting to look up at a clock, but it was a fast cycle. Then the lid popped up.

You have to remember that when they were testing these machines, dishwasher detergents were very primitive. The detergent manufacturers were still looking for non sudsing surfactants. Monsanto came out with All as a low-sudsing detergent for clothes washers as part of this quest. DW detergents were largely water softening compounds then so Robert is able to get much better cleaning out of these machines than the people who were testing them back in 1952. One of the companies that my father represented had come up with a way to add a stable dry form of chlorine to their institutional DW detergent formula in the late mid-50s. To protect it from moisture, it was packed in one pound metal cans. Friends who had some of these very dishwashers were amazed at how the cleaning results improved when we gave them this stuff. Anyone who has tried a poor DW detergent or some of the no-phosphate formulas knows how important a good detergent is to good results from machine dishwashing.

 

[Unimatic1140]

And how long are the cycles on those vintage machines----30 minutes, maybe? Awesome!
Eugene, the Youngstown runs between 9 and 11 minutes depending on the water pressure at the moment since it has metered fills. The KitchenAid has 1 flush, 1 wash, 2 rinse and dry which runs about 35 minutes and the Hotpoint with 1 flush, 2 washes, 2 rinses and dry runs about 40 minutes. The Youngstown is perfect for a day of baking as you can keep washing things and use them again in no time flat.

Oh, I hope you were kidding about that Kitchenaid wash arm weighing 600lb ?
Totally John, but it is really heavy, maybe 15lbs to 20lbs.

Tom is correct about dishwasher detergents. You cannot say oh I remember that dishwasher from 40 years, it was a terrible cleaner as dishwasher detergents have improved so much over time. We would really need to retest all the machines now to get an accurate rating. Although the Hotpoint and KitchenAid are close in cleaning ability, both powerful and excellent, the Youngstown really isn't that far behind with modern detergents.

 

[stevet]

Shhhhh!

Robert, about insulating the Hotpoint.. What would be wrong with using fiberglass bats on it and securing them in place with some sort of banding or duct tape? It is not flammable per se and what part of the machine would get so hot that you have to worry about igniting something on the outside tank surface?

Have you tried checking out "DynaMat?" They have all sorts of insulating materials for appliances listed on their website.
You might also see if you can find those bituminous pads like the new machines use and maybe they come with self adhesive backing so the job would be easier for you. I know that they will certainly stop the ringing sound that the tub makes when the water hits it.

http://www.dynamat.com/

 

[Unimatic1140]

Oooohh, thanks Steve, that is a really interesting idea. I'll have to peruse their catalog.

 

[supremewhirlpol]

Again Robert, very nice job on the window. It's now a very special and unique Kitchenaid dishwasher.

 

[rollermatic]

beautiful kitchen and dishwashers

robert, love that hotpoint especially! and that window in your kd-12 is totally unique. just got my kd-12 i picked up in cleveland hooked up and running myself. i was amazed at how well it really does clean. and that cast iron spray arm really moves! i use mine everyday now. and it washes a load in about 20 minutes!

love your small appliance collection also, mixers especially. i just started collecting mixers myself, i'm up to 3 but will never let it go to the extreme i did with dishwasher collecting.

really love your kitchen! those pics are this site at it's best!

 

[westingman123]

>but will never let it got to the extreme I did with dishwasher collecting< Ahem, I said the same thing about vacuum cleaners, Good Luck with that.

 

[gansky1]

You guys need more stuff! I don't see nearly enough coffee pots. We'll fix that in a few weeks then...

That Dynamat is a terrific idea, may have to order some for my KDS-18 that I just put back into the kitchen last night. It really isn't that loud and the noise is part of the charm in a way.

 

[electron1100]

Beautiful Things

These are to me items of beauty, a pleasure to see and own, they create such a good time feeling.....

Brilliant as is the kitchen they live in

Thanks
Gary

 

[aldspinboy]

Robert I remember when you put the saw to that machine,I thought that you were going to destroy it lol.
The Kitchen is stunning and the machines are TRUE beauties of industrial art.
When I first got on this great site, I went to ( see it wash ) and went to the Youngstown Dishwasher and was blown away because I never seen a wash arm like that before. Does that dishwasher still has a light in it like the aid ?
The kitchenaid dishwasher I grow up with my neighbors the Morgans....
They only ran it twice for me, and the second time one of the glasses broke inside she put some glasses on the bottom rack! If she only knew...There is no mercy down there.
So after that Mrs Morgan past away and here narrow minded daughter never used it again. She used it for storage I mean bags and bags in the interior so I would go and take them out just to see and turn that heavy wash arm and wished I could turn it on. But they cut the power to it , and the dial and the large door lock was defective the inside mint. That was in the 70's and would now and then try to get the machine away from her, but she always said ( wheeen I get my kitchen done) Which never happen... so the last time I saw it was in 2003 I would look at that machine every time I was over there so total over a 100 times lol. Just like I look at your video of that dishwaher a hundred times. It simply amazes me how one motor can turn that wash arm that fast!!!
So seeing yours does feel a void.
Did you get that Kitchenaid dishwasher at an estate sale for ten or twenty bucks
that I recall ?
Well I have a Kitchenaid KDS16 that has been setting for over a year now and want to get it going at some point, it is in the basement I wanted to use it as a second one down there but need to get more hookup's Toggleswitch2 did a hookup that I thought was real cool down his basement if he could share how he did it... I would really appreciated it and your thought's as well . This want be no time soon I am still Working on the Kenmore which Robert thanks again for the cap I will be E-mailing you soon. Life has been a little crazy lately.
Here is the pic of the Dishwasher I grow up with.
( Jetcones Dishwasher.)
This is the model without the stainless, there's matched the cabinet's witch was in a light wood grain.

Darren k.

 

[aldspinboy]

Here is the KDS16 which I think Kevin here has as well.

Darren k.

 

[aldspinboy]

Pic 2.

 

[autowasherfreak]

Robert, I just love your kitchen, especially the colors. Your appliances are fantastic too. It's nice to have more than one dishwasher. I just bought a KitchenAid Custom 21 for $10.00 and I just love it. I changed the front panels to harvest gold, and this spring I'm going to paint the back and sides white unless I can find some harvest gold paint somewhere.

 

[spiceman1957]

Robert,

I was thinking after reading your thread that you should contact Consumer Reports and get them to test your Youngstown dishwasher again, this time using a modern detergent. I wish my Dad was here so that he could see your machines! He would be impressed as he took a appliance course (homestudy) and was pretty good about putting gaskets on dryers/freezers, new stove units and etc. on our appliances. Saved us a lot of money!
John