Wow Robert, it is always fun to see your kitchen and all the fun toys. I just love that pink KitchenAid mixer on the counter!!! Cooking at your house is always so fun as there are so many dishwashers to pick from to do the clean up!! Thanks so much for sharing.
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sudsmaster
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The video of the pimpalicious pink KA front loader is great. That machine appears to be very similar, internally, to my '58 KA top loader, which also lets out a torrent of wash water. If one removes the racks, the drumming on the lid can be heard through one's stomach... The light and the picture window make it all worthwhile. Someday I might fab up a plexiglass lid for the KD2P, with a little fluorescent light shining in from the back. I need to redo the custom hinges anyway, at some point, since I've since figured out how they are supposed to work from the hinges on the Variflex.
The video of the pimpalicious pink KA front loader is great. That machine appears to be very similar, internally, to my '58 KA top loader, which also lets out a torrent of wash water. If one removes the racks, the drumming on the lid can be heard through one's stomach... The light and the picture window make it all worthwhile. Someday I might fab up a plexiglass lid for the KD2P, with a little fluorescent light shining in from the back. I need to redo the custom hinges anyway, at some point, since I've since figured out how they are supposed to work from the hinges on the Variflex.
Robert, Thanks for the beautiful photos. That lower rack from the 14 series sure improves the loading versatility of older models. Have you ever tried starting the KitchenAid at the rinses to give a prerinse or prewash while getting the load up to temperature and then restarting it? I found it really improved the results with not quite freshly soiled loads.
The blocked holes in the top of the Jet Tower probably make for better observation during the cycle also. People in the time period of the Youngstown might not have been using plastic utensils, but they tended to eat eggs, oatmeal, Farina, Ralston, cream of wheat and rice and those foods had to be washed off the dishes before placing them in a dishwasher where they were initially exposed to such hot water because it cooked those foods onto the dishes. When we began shopping for a dishwasher in the late 50s, my mother's friends who had older dishwashers, especially those who had Youngstown and Apex machines, emphasized the importance of choosing a machine with a prerinse before the wash so that the heat sensitive foods could be loosened with somewhat cooler water before the main wash. Of course, by then, there were no modern dishwashers that held water at 180F for the initial fill, but a neighbor who had a Kenmore put breakfast plates with eggy residue in her machine ONCE without getting rid of the extra egg. As the tale made its way around the neighborhood, the egg was blown up into the glasses above the plates and almost welded to the glass by the time the cycle was complete. We did not rinse for the MobileMaid, but mom did wipe the egg off the plate with a paper napkin as she loaded the machine.
In case anyone was wondering about the collar around the Hotpoint's impeller, the theory was that during the washing and rinsing the water level was high enough that the finer screen at the top kept food particles (floaters) from being recirculated and kept stray hard objects away from the edge of the impeller. When the motor stopped and the machine drained, the large holes at the bottom of the collar allowed stuff to go down the drain. The machine fills from an overhead spray and the cycle starts with a flush period of the water raining down over the dishes with the drain open so that helped warm the dishes and carry away some of the more easily removed soil before the first wash. Hotpoint had some smart people working on their dishwashers.
Robert, You did not do any sound insulating of the HP? They can really benefit from that.
Thanks again for sharing.
The blocked holes in the top of the Jet Tower probably make for better observation during the cycle also. People in the time period of the Youngstown might not have been using plastic utensils, but they tended to eat eggs, oatmeal, Farina, Ralston, cream of wheat and rice and those foods had to be washed off the dishes before placing them in a dishwasher where they were initially exposed to such hot water because it cooked those foods onto the dishes. When we began shopping for a dishwasher in the late 50s, my mother's friends who had older dishwashers, especially those who had Youngstown and Apex machines, emphasized the importance of choosing a machine with a prerinse before the wash so that the heat sensitive foods could be loosened with somewhat cooler water before the main wash. Of course, by then, there were no modern dishwashers that held water at 180F for the initial fill, but a neighbor who had a Kenmore put breakfast plates with eggy residue in her machine ONCE without getting rid of the extra egg. As the tale made its way around the neighborhood, the egg was blown up into the glasses above the plates and almost welded to the glass by the time the cycle was complete. We did not rinse for the MobileMaid, but mom did wipe the egg off the plate with a paper napkin as she loaded the machine.
In case anyone was wondering about the collar around the Hotpoint's impeller, the theory was that during the washing and rinsing the water level was high enough that the finer screen at the top kept food particles (floaters) from being recirculated and kept stray hard objects away from the edge of the impeller. When the motor stopped and the machine drained, the large holes at the bottom of the collar allowed stuff to go down the drain. The machine fills from an overhead spray and the cycle starts with a flush period of the water raining down over the dishes with the drain open so that helped warm the dishes and carry away some of the more easily removed soil before the first wash. Hotpoint had some smart people working on their dishwashers.
Robert, You did not do any sound insulating of the HP? They can really benefit from that.
Thanks again for sharing.
turquoisedude
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Three dishwashers ARE better than one...
And I keep telling hubby that all the time... LOL
The new arrangement looks stunning, Robert!! That Hotpoint looks brand-new - what a neat concept having a front load-impeller wash dishwasher. And that KitchenAid is totally awesome. You must have repainted it, if that is the one that you had posted previously (after having engineered the door window). The Youngstown Kitchens is unique, too! You have three fun choices to deal with dishes - simply wonderful!!
And I keep telling hubby that all the time... LOL
The new arrangement looks stunning, Robert!! That Hotpoint looks brand-new - what a neat concept having a front load-impeller wash dishwasher. And that KitchenAid is totally awesome. You must have repainted it, if that is the one that you had posted previously (after having engineered the door window). The Youngstown Kitchens is unique, too! You have three fun choices to deal with dishes - simply wonderful!!
Robert, You did not do any sound insulating of the Hotpoint? They can really benefit from that.
No Tom I haven't and I've been thinking of doing that, the problem is I have yet to find some high-temp, non-flammable insulation. Of course I haven't looked except at Home Depot, so I probably should get on that.
No Tom I haven't and I've been thinking of doing that, the problem is I have yet to find some high-temp, non-flammable insulation. Of course I haven't looked except at Home Depot, so I probably should get on that.
Have you ever tried starting the KitchenAid at the rinses to give a prerinse or prewash while getting the load up to temperature and then restarting it? I found it really improved the results with not quite freshly soiled loads.
No I haven't Tom, of course if I did that I would have to open the door fast to add detergent and that would let out some of the heat. I try to never open the door once its started to keep as much heat in as possible.
I found a very interesting design flaw in the KitchenAid that one could not see without a window. During the 45 second pre-rinse flush the way the fill flume is angled to spray the water upwards and outwards to cover the entire machine, the incoming hot water drips have a tendency to wash detergent out of the detergent cup and down the drain before the machine goes into the fill cycle. It gets so bad sometimes that it washes 50% of the detergent down the drain before it has any use. I try to strategically place something above the detergent cup to shield it from the pre-flush if at all possible.
No I haven't Tom, of course if I did that I would have to open the door fast to add detergent and that would let out some of the heat. I try to never open the door once its started to keep as much heat in as possible.
I found a very interesting design flaw in the KitchenAid that one could not see without a window. During the 45 second pre-rinse flush the way the fill flume is angled to spray the water upwards and outwards to cover the entire machine, the incoming hot water drips have a tendency to wash detergent out of the detergent cup and down the drain before the machine goes into the fill cycle. It gets so bad sometimes that it washes 50% of the detergent down the drain before it has any use. I try to strategically place something above the detergent cup to shield it from the pre-flush if at all possible.
Wow Robert, really nice kitchen... and three dishwashers? I really love the "pimped out" Kitchenaid. Just AWESOME!
I'd love to come by sometime to checkout your collection!
Kevin
I'd love to come by sometime to checkout your collection!
Kevin
christfr
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love the machines!!!!! love that vid looks like so so much fun.. am so so glad that youngstown has a good home..such a cool machine!!!
KA design flaw
Robert, I think you will find that the little screen box for the detergent will fit between the bars in the top rack, maybe in the middle toward the front. Hobart put it there in the KD2P because you cannot get to the lower rack and silver basket with the upper rack loaded and in place. If you put it there, the detergent will not be flushed away. When I got my KDS14P, I found that the detergent dispenser allowed much of the detergent for the main wash to be flushed out during the prewash. I tried several things and finally managed to deflect the water that was robbing the main wash of its detergent.
When I start the KD2P in the rinses and then restart it, I measure out some detergent into a small container. As soon as the purge is over, I barely open the lid, dump in the detergent and restart the machine. Very little heat escapes, but the tank and the load are very hot so the wash water temperature is not cooled. If you tried this and added the detergent after the purge, you could just dump the measured amount down the inside of the door which would not require opening it very far or for more than a couple of seconds.
Robert, I think you will find that the little screen box for the detergent will fit between the bars in the top rack, maybe in the middle toward the front. Hobart put it there in the KD2P because you cannot get to the lower rack and silver basket with the upper rack loaded and in place. If you put it there, the detergent will not be flushed away. When I got my KDS14P, I found that the detergent dispenser allowed much of the detergent for the main wash to be flushed out during the prewash. I tried several things and finally managed to deflect the water that was robbing the main wash of its detergent.
When I start the KD2P in the rinses and then restart it, I measure out some detergent into a small container. As soon as the purge is over, I barely open the lid, dump in the detergent and restart the machine. Very little heat escapes, but the tank and the load are very hot so the wash water temperature is not cooled. If you tried this and added the detergent after the purge, you could just dump the measured amount down the inside of the door which would not require opening it very far or for more than a couple of seconds.
Thanks Robert for the impeller close up!
It is awesome!
I would think that not only for the drying cycle, the wash cycle with all that hot water....the fins would provide a "wall" of water in the wash.
Sounds like it is a very good cleaner for your needs. I just imagine the sounds! I bet it sounds awesome.
Hotpoint when Hotpoint was Hotpoint.
Not to mention it looks flawless in your cooking quarters.
Thanks for the picture Robert.
Brent
It is awesome!
I would think that not only for the drying cycle, the wash cycle with all that hot water....the fins would provide a "wall" of water in the wash.
Sounds like it is a very good cleaner for your needs. I just imagine the sounds! I bet it sounds awesome.
Hotpoint when Hotpoint was Hotpoint.
Not to mention it looks flawless in your cooking quarters.
Thanks for the picture Robert.
Brent
Three dishwashers (finally))
Hi Robert can't wait to come play all the apps Smity&I will see you @ christmas.( note on hot water heating systems no type of properly installed and operating system makes dust and dirt. Only forced air systems actually make the house cleaner because of the great air filters available today hot air systems are also the least dry systems when installed with a power humidifier.)
Hi Robert can't wait to come play all the apps Smity&I will see you @ christmas.( note on hot water heating systems no type of properly installed and operating system makes dust and dirt. Only forced air systems actually make the house cleaner because of the great air filters available today hot air systems are also the least dry systems when installed with a power humidifier.)
Forced air and dust.
When properly maintained, a forced air system filters the air, unfortunately, so many people don't change their filters as often as they should, nor do they use sufficiently high-quality filters. My parents' filters are only changed when I visit and have time do it for them. They have 3 furnaces and they have gone over a year between filter changings.
I like hot water and steam heating because it tends to be more forgiving of less-than-perfect maintenance. Also, the silence of a properly-bled hot water system is wondrous to behold.
I love the dishwashers Robert. I just need to get a KD-12 too,
Dave
When properly maintained, a forced air system filters the air, unfortunately, so many people don't change their filters as often as they should, nor do they use sufficiently high-quality filters. My parents' filters are only changed when I visit and have time do it for them. They have 3 furnaces and they have gone over a year between filter changings.
I like hot water and steam heating because it tends to be more forgiving of less-than-perfect maintenance. Also, the silence of a properly-bled hot water system is wondrous to behold.
I love the dishwashers Robert. I just need to get a KD-12 too,
Dave
polkanut
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How about bringing the James dw upstairs for something different?
Beautiful machines, all three! How cool to have three different dishwashers to choose from when the table gets cleared. I'd be sitting in front of that KA watching cycles all the time.
And how long are the cycles on those vintage machines----30 minutes, maybe? Awesome!
And how long are the cycles on those vintage machines----30 minutes, maybe? Awesome!
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Robert,
These machines are in such pristine condition. what a fine collection you have. What was the reason why Consumer Report didn't like about the Youngstown? From what you were saying, it an efficient job in cleaning. Oh, I hope you were kidding about that Kitchenaid wash arm weighing 600lb ?
These machines are in such pristine condition. what a fine collection you have. What was the reason why Consumer Report didn't like about the Youngstown? From what you were saying, it an efficient job in cleaning. Oh, I hope you were kidding about that Kitchenaid wash arm weighing 600lb ?
Details on the dishwashers
If you go to the CONSUMER ARTICLES button on this site and tab all the way down to the 1952 article on dishwashers, there are pages of reading matter. They so disliked the Youngstown that they did not put in the cycle time, but I think I remember that it took 9 minutes for one wash and two rinses. I could be and probably am mistaken, but I think that time was given in an ad for the machine. I did not time the one I watched; it was too exciting to look up at a clock, but it was a fast cycle. Then the lid popped up.
You have to remember that when they were testing these machines, dishwasher detergents were very primitive. The detergent manufacturers were still looking for non sudsing surfactants. Monsanto came out with All as a low-sudsing detergent for clothes washers as part of this quest. DW detergents were largely water softening compounds then so Robert is able to get much better cleaning out of these machines than the people who were testing them back in 1952. One of the companies that my father represented had come up with a way to add a stable dry form of chlorine to their institutional DW detergent formula in the late mid-50s. To protect it from moisture, it was packed in one pound metal cans. Friends who had some of these very dishwashers were amazed at how the cleaning results improved when we gave them this stuff. Anyone who has tried a poor DW detergent or some of the no-phosphate formulas knows how important a good detergent is to good results from machine dishwashing.
If you go to the CONSUMER ARTICLES button on this site and tab all the way down to the 1952 article on dishwashers, there are pages of reading matter. They so disliked the Youngstown that they did not put in the cycle time, but I think I remember that it took 9 minutes for one wash and two rinses. I could be and probably am mistaken, but I think that time was given in an ad for the machine. I did not time the one I watched; it was too exciting to look up at a clock, but it was a fast cycle. Then the lid popped up.
You have to remember that when they were testing these machines, dishwasher detergents were very primitive. The detergent manufacturers were still looking for non sudsing surfactants. Monsanto came out with All as a low-sudsing detergent for clothes washers as part of this quest. DW detergents were largely water softening compounds then so Robert is able to get much better cleaning out of these machines than the people who were testing them back in 1952. One of the companies that my father represented had come up with a way to add a stable dry form of chlorine to their institutional DW detergent formula in the late mid-50s. To protect it from moisture, it was packed in one pound metal cans. Friends who had some of these very dishwashers were amazed at how the cleaning results improved when we gave them this stuff. Anyone who has tried a poor DW detergent or some of the no-phosphate formulas knows how important a good detergent is to good results from machine dishwashing.
And how long are the cycles on those vintage machines----30 minutes, maybe? Awesome!
Eugene, the Youngstown runs between 9 and 11 minutes depending on the water pressure at the moment since it has metered fills. The KitchenAid has 1 flush, 1 wash, 2 rinse and dry which runs about 35 minutes and the Hotpoint with 1 flush, 2 washes, 2 rinses and dry runs about 40 minutes. The Youngstown is perfect for a day of baking as you can keep washing things and use them again in no time flat.
Oh, I hope you were kidding about that Kitchenaid wash arm weighing 600lb ?
Totally John, but it is really heavy, maybe 15lbs to 20lbs.
Tom is correct about dishwasher detergents. You cannot say oh I remember that dishwasher from 40 years, it was a terrible cleaner as dishwasher detergents have improved so much over time. We would really need to retest all the machines now to get an accurate rating. Although the Hotpoint and KitchenAid are close in cleaning ability, both powerful and excellent, the Youngstown really isn't that far behind with modern detergents.
Eugene, the Youngstown runs between 9 and 11 minutes depending on the water pressure at the moment since it has metered fills. The KitchenAid has 1 flush, 1 wash, 2 rinse and dry which runs about 35 minutes and the Hotpoint with 1 flush, 2 washes, 2 rinses and dry runs about 40 minutes. The Youngstown is perfect for a day of baking as you can keep washing things and use them again in no time flat.
Oh, I hope you were kidding about that Kitchenaid wash arm weighing 600lb ?
Totally John, but it is really heavy, maybe 15lbs to 20lbs.
Tom is correct about dishwasher detergents. You cannot say oh I remember that dishwasher from 40 years, it was a terrible cleaner as dishwasher detergents have improved so much over time. We would really need to retest all the machines now to get an accurate rating. Although the Hotpoint and KitchenAid are close in cleaning ability, both powerful and excellent, the Youngstown really isn't that far behind with modern detergents.
stevet
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Shhhhh!
Robert, about insulating the Hotpoint.. What would be wrong with using fiberglass bats on it and securing them in place with some sort of banding or duct tape? It is not flammable per se and what part of the machine would get so hot that you have to worry about igniting something on the outside tank surface?
Have you tried checking out "DynaMat?" They have all sorts of insulating materials for appliances listed on their website.
You might also see if you can find those bituminous pads like the new machines use and maybe they come with self adhesive backing so the job would be easier for you. I know that they will certainly stop the ringing sound that the tub makes when the water hits it.
http://www.dynamat.com/
Robert, about insulating the Hotpoint.. What would be wrong with using fiberglass bats on it and securing them in place with some sort of banding or duct tape? It is not flammable per se and what part of the machine would get so hot that you have to worry about igniting something on the outside tank surface?
Have you tried checking out "DynaMat?" They have all sorts of insulating materials for appliances listed on their website.
You might also see if you can find those bituminous pads like the new machines use and maybe they come with self adhesive backing so the job would be easier for you. I know that they will certainly stop the ringing sound that the tub makes when the water hits it.
http://www.dynamat.com/
Oooohh, thanks Steve, that is a really interesting idea. I'll have to peruse their catalog.
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Again Robert, very nice job on the window. It's now a very special and unique Kitchenaid dishwasher.
