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Ken, thank you very much for the link to Voice of Music!  I was wondering where parts for these older turntables could be found and you've answered the question for me!!    I'll see how brave I am after meddling with the '59 Frigidaire washer's Multi-Matic transmission.... LOL 
 
I agree, for casual listening mono is fine.   If I'm working around the house stereo is really not needed.  But... when I'm watching TV or a movie I want full surround sound.  I use at minimum 5 speakers in all my AV setups around the house and my main has 9.1speakers,  I use 7.1 of those when watching TV or a movie and the sound envelope is impressive.   There is a lot of info in the sub channels that adds to the watching experience, and I appreciate the work the sound engineers do.  If you don't know 98%+ of all HD broadcasts include a DD 5.1 feed that when fed to the proper equipment adds to the watching experience.

 

I think it would be fun to play with some vintage equipment as the OP has but I really don't need another expensive hobby.  This site has me collecting vintage Sunbeam stuff, washers and a number of other things...

 
 
Surround sound

I have never really done anything with surround sound. It would be something I might be interested in playing with. But when I consider the issue, I keep coming back to a hard reality that right now that I have limited space. Thus I have one audio system for both music and movies. But I don't want the musical performance harmed. Integrating surround sound successfully means either a lot of hassle, a lot of money, or both. And I figure it's questionable how much of what I watch would really benefit from surround sound. (Of course, a lot of what I watch does predate surround sound...)

Another thought: even with movies there is an argument for quality vs. quantity of speakers. I don't doubt that a top-flight surround sound system could be spectacular. But I'd rather have a mono system that gets the fundamentals right vs. a 5.1 "home theater in box" bought on clearance from Wal-Mart.
 
Years ago I decided to combine my 2 channel hifi with my TV system using a semi-high end Adcom surround sound processor amp. It did do some neat things when it came to watching and enjoying a movie at home.

But, after a time I realized I no longer seemed to enjoy music anymore like I had in the past. Eventually I found I had to separate the 2 systems so I could once again enjoy 2 channel hifi.

The fact that surround sound is going on while your brain is processing all that visual information can hide a lot of ills. Listening to music, with your eyes shut, does the system no such favor.

Bottom line with all audio is that each of us likes what we likes. For music for me I think more then 2 channels doesn't increase my enjoyment any with every source I have heard so far. For movies bring on a bunch of channels.

I recently saw a movie in the new Dolby Atmos system. I looked over the theater and read the spec for the standard, There were ~35 speakers in that theater including overheads (guessing at the number of speakers behind the screen), They had decent subs too, I'm not often impressed by low end extension at a theater. The spec states -3db at 31Hz from the sub, so they are trying :)
 
You know just about any decent Home theater receiver has a button on the remote that allows yo at adjust the sound field.   Mine has Mono, Stereo, Direct ( just that whatever signal it's presented with as is...) and about a dozen more sound fields.  So there is no reason to feel that your music enjoyment would be inhibited in any way.

 

 
 
Matt, I think it was due to the component itself. I did still listen to music 2-channel, even using the same speakers and amps as before. Interestingly the processor I have even had direct relay bypass to go around the internal decoder matrix even. I just found that music wasn't enjoyable. When I swapped in one of my other preamps things got better.

Heck, perhaps I was using too cheap a power cord on that Adcom, or maybe I hadn't broken the cord in fully yet... lol
 
I have listened to mono,just fine esp movie soundtracks that were recorded in the days before stereo.Same with music-like grandpaws 78's.If the material was orig mono---best to keep it that way.And keep in mind most "stereo" or even multichannel sound--is a "cusinart" mix from a studio.For that stuff-rather listen as mono.We all need to remember-the part of the sound you CAN'T control is what comes from the studio!So many of them are producing CRAP material these days.A music artist should be OFFENDED by this-Is this how he wants his material preserved for future generations to hear??Because of the JUNK produced by studios today--that is why I don't listen to new material and listen to vintage material when producers and engineers CARED how good the recording was going to be.I can so agree with KenD on these.Mono isn't so bad after all.Remember modern movie soundtracks are CREATED--Not merely recorded-again in those mixing studios.They can do a great job or a CRAPPY one.
 
>We all need to remember-the part of the sound you CAN'T control is what comes from the studio!So many of them are producing CRAP material these days.

Yes.

I had an interesting opportunity to hear some comparisons a few months ago. It was the same contemporary recording, but the samples were taken at different points in the chain. The final version was basically what would get released on CD. This final version, one assumes, was engineered to play everywhere from junk computer speakers to junk car audio to a $59 home theater in a box.

It was amazing how much sound quality got lost--and how much life got sucked out of the recording--between the second sample and that third sample.

The person doing the demo said that one reason why the vinyl LP is often better than the CD--even though it may come from a digital master--is that it may be mastered using a file that is--or is closer to--sample 2.
 
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Paul, reply #8, " the amplifier and pre amp can be installed separately in built in installations." I was wondering if that is why they included the template to drill holes? Maybe some people took the works out of the cabinet and built them in to a wall. Would definitely be the right time frame for a "built in stereo". Very cool. Makes me think of the built in TV in "North by Northwest".
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Paul, the piece you were playing had me jumping in my seat, snapping my fingers, and damn it sounds good even though there's a loss of quality by the time it reaches this iMac.

At first, I wasn't aware of what you found, but unfolding news in this thread - very cool. Glad you're going to use it and keep it as is. NICE catch!

And to comment on the stereo vs. mono: I grew up like some of you other young guys, in the 50's and 60's. By the time we got stereo, mom and dad had alot of 78rpm(sadly gone to I know not where) and many mono recordings. I didn't really crave center stage, but enjoyed the music. There's plenty of interesting stereo recordings, but to be honest, I don't really crave stereo either. That said, if the recording is fine enough, stereo or mono, it's easy to enjoy if the recording is good and the music written is great. I don't remember if Stanley Kubrick's 2001 A Space Odyssey was in stereo when I viewed it as a premiere showing at the Cinerama Theatre(now torn down, an old opera house formerly)but the sound was great, along with that unique curved screen(in 1967). [this post was last edited: 7/24/2015-15:43]
 
Really? I thought 2001 was a good looking movie but it should have won an academy award for boredom. That is, until Star Trek The Motion Picture came along and outbored it.

Star Trek II The Wrath of Kahn with Ricardo Montalban saved the Star Trek film franchise.
 
cuffs054 - Most of my friends, along with me, loved that movie. My date didn't like the movie, while I celebrated all the designs of the future. The date I took thought it was a weird movie. Maybe now with OLED's, we'll get that tablet in a flat, roll-up and lighter form than the present iPad's, etc.
This movie was and still is one of the more memorable films I've ever watched. Today, it might look like old technology now, but in 1967, it was so far ahead in effects and design/ideas.

I didn't care about the plot and looking at it today, it's pretty slow, but the visuals - designs and special effects -were plenty to keep me mesmerized. In time, Star Wars had additional help in computer power, more collaborative efforts with bigger budgets. I wonder if Stanley Kubrick was given more money and equal computer power, what he would have generated? Anyways, the visuals and designs in this movie, which for 1967 was very ground-breaking I thought, was my focus and memory.

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Going back to mono vs. 2-channel, everybody knows that Stereo is so passé. The future is quadraphonic! LOL

Actually, I do have a decent Sansui quad setup upstairs with the video projector. A flip of the switch and you've got duplicated stereo for movies and such, and the decoder will often work with modern 'surround' encoded discs. This is where Pink Floyd really shines. Dark Side of the Moon in 4-discrete-channels is something to experience.

But to be honest, a mono recording intended for a setup like Paul's is something of beautiful simplicity as well. -C

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I always wanted to hear a quad sound setup. And although I set it up with a Pioneer Laser Disc and Sony am/fm/amp in the early 90's, I never heard that 4-channel sound which is undoubtedly an experience to enjoy with records like Pink Floyd. I do have some quad vinyl albums, a few.

But Paul where are you - please tell, what album did you play there for a demo of your "new" GE system?
 
Ahh, yes... CD-4, SQ and QS  blast from the past.  I do have a selection of all of those tucked away in a cupboard some place and the CD-4 rated cartridge to play them.  However the receiver with the decoder needs new caps...
 
Phil,  you're not going to believe this, but the tune I played on the GE hi-fi is from a compilation of songs recorded from a Montreal-produced variety and dance program that was on the air from 1957 to 1960 (the French language version of The Corny Collins Show... LOL).   The song was the theme from the 1958-59 season titled "58 Special".  I thought it fit the mood of the ol' GE nicely!

 

Last night the Tomifobia valley got treated to a blast of Ray Conniff on the GE.   I am sure that unit will sound a LOT better in the house than it does in the garage!
 
Paul, thanks for the reply. That album cover, I thought, read "Club Des...." and I filled in the rest based on a search. Variety shows were big in our childhood and teens on tv. Since Windsor, ON was next door to us, but I'm sure we never saw it on the CBC Channel 9 station available in the S.E. Michigan area of Detroit and burbs.

You are already having fun with that new component system. I love all the old "lounge music" of the 50's and 60's. We still listen to it on some local stations, even if it's always available on records.

58 Special - hmm, that was a group I liked for a couple songs they did..but not related.
 
Good eye, Phil!  That album title is 'Club des Autographes' - did you find the full episode from 1959 that someone posted on YouTube??

 

Well, I should have known better, but today I messed around with those motor mounts to see how they would affect the turntable speed.  The mount I foolishly took off crumbled in my hands (should have known...) BUT just by positioning the motor better, I figured out how I should be able to get four playback speeds.  

 

Guess what I'm going to be ordering at some point real soon??    I'm kinda glad I didn't de-commission the Emerson Hi-Fi in the parlor just yet; with the move date coming up fast, I may not get to do more serious tinkering until late August...  Still I may be able to get the GE back in service for the annual ritual playing of 'Theme from Picnic' (the long version from the original movie soundtrack, natch) on Labour Day weekend!
 
Paul, I didn't see the full episode from 1959 on YouTube, but I will check it out, thanks.

That's always one of the very first things to replace, isn't it? Motor mounts, idler wheels and/or belts, and of course removing the old hard grease and giving it a new lube job. That is a classic TT.

Moonglow is a great classic by Morris Stoloff. I like so many versions of it, too.

Moving ...is so much fun! (after everything is put away and you can listen to the stereo in peace and quiet).
 
Quadraphonic

For my high school graduation present, I got a Zenith Quadraphonic portable phonograph. I wanted a Zenith based on how good the old '47 Zenith radio-phono combo was. I quickly found out that Zenith's quality was not what it had once been. The cabinet was just pressboard covered with woodgrain vinyl, and the turntable was cheaply made. The sound wasn't anything to brag about either. I never did get to hear what quad sounded like on it, as all my records were either mono or stereo. I kept it for about 7 or 8 years, until it started sounding really bad. I then took the speakers off, and used them with a radio for a while, and discarded the rest.
 
An update on the GE hi-fi

I should have documented this but I was able to replace the motor mounts easily enough (well, for someone with very shaky hands...) and now I have all four speeds working on the turntable.  I also replaced the needles (there are 2 separate ones for 33/45 microgroove records and for 78s).  The first tests were done on Saturday night and wow does this unit sound good.  I still have it in the garage, but believe me, you could hear it all around the yard. Ray Conniff's version of 'The Way You Look Tonight' had the honour of being the first 33 RPM record played.  But last night, I thought the album in the 2nd photo was appropriate in light of what holiday it was...  

 

Next step - where to put it...  I have 3 vintage floor-model consoles in the house in Ogden already and not much room left.  I'd like the GE to go in the parlor, but then where the heck to put the Emerson console there... Methinks the Emerson is going to be relocated to the office area in the basement of St-Liboire soon.   That GE deserved to be gawked at.... LOL 

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It's in da house....

So on Saturday, I finally got around to moving the GE hi-fi unit into the room we call the parlor in Ogden.  There was a little grumbling on the part of you-know-who about "musical bloody hifis" and his suggestion as to where I should put the Emerson unit that was formerly in the parlor is unprintable but the GE is now firmly in place in the house!  

 

A barrage of records were on the entertainment program for Saturday night... Ray Conniff, Florian Zabach, Sammy Kaye, and Yma Sumac were featured performers.   It may be mono, but holy moley, does this unit sound good.  The bass response of a tube amplifier is really something else.  

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And while you won't get the same sound as being there, here's a full-on test of the system with that theme song from the 1959-60 season of the Montreal-based TV show 'Le Club des Autographes'.    Notice at about halfway through the video, the vibration of the cabinet shakes the needle selector right off the tone arm.  Whoopsie! 

 

I'm going to have a lot of fun on those long winter nights down in Ogden now.   Hubby can always get earplugs... LOL 

 

 
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