stricklybojack
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What is the general history of Thermador quality? Still good at this point?
What is the general history of Thermador quality? Still good at this point?
Thermatronic II by Thermador $100 (San Diego)
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. Most customers that had/have those ovens absolutely love them. I do know of 1 club member that has either this model or one very close to it.You might find this hard to believe, but John told me that the recession did in micro-thermal ovens. Nobody makes them anymore. Studies showed that many owners had them because they were TOL, but rarely took the time to study what combination cooking could do or how to do it. No doubt today's households addicted to take out and convenience foods do not feel the need for such sophisticated cooking appliances. This is another case where we, like Dilsey in The Sound and the Fury, have seen the first and the last of many appliances large and small that pushed the envelopes of sophistication, style, design and performance.
Thermatronic II Thermador wall ovens
These came out in 1977 and were built in this size till around 2000 at which time TD came with an all digital controlled Micro-Thermal wall oven that was 30" wide.
The oven in the ad is one of the best ovens EVER made, you can forget even the great GE wall ovens once you have cooked in a Micro-Thermal oven.
The main advantages TD offered in these ovens over GE and ALL other wall ovens was.
1 These ovens vented outdoors with zero clearance 4" vent pipe just like a clothes dryer [ NO odor or smoke during the SC cycle and greatly reduced heat and odor during cooking ]
2 No messy oven door gaskets to get worn and stained.
3 BEST of all these TDs can cook with steady [ non pulsed ] Microwave power at either 3 or 5 different power levels, Alone, With bake heat or during broiling.
4 these ovens pre-heated quickly and when used with MW assist can cook some foods in anywhere from 1/3 to one 1/8 the normal cooking time, and best of all the results are often BETTER than cooking the slow way.
I would recommend one of these ovens to anyone who wants one of the best ovens ever built, PERIOD.
These came out in 1977 and were built in this size till around 2000 at which time TD came with an all digital controlled Micro-Thermal wall oven that was 30" wide.
The oven in the ad is one of the best ovens EVER made, you can forget even the great GE wall ovens once you have cooked in a Micro-Thermal oven.
The main advantages TD offered in these ovens over GE and ALL other wall ovens was.
1 These ovens vented outdoors with zero clearance 4" vent pipe just like a clothes dryer [ NO odor or smoke during the SC cycle and greatly reduced heat and odor during cooking ]
2 No messy oven door gaskets to get worn and stained.
3 BEST of all these TDs can cook with steady [ non pulsed ] Microwave power at either 3 or 5 different power levels, Alone, With bake heat or during broiling.
4 these ovens pre-heated quickly and when used with MW assist can cook some foods in anywhere from 1/3 to one 1/8 the normal cooking time, and best of all the results are often BETTER than cooking the slow way.
I would recommend one of these ovens to anyone who wants one of the best ovens ever built, PERIOD.
ovrphil
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The one I found last year in Boston was three times the cost but it included a cooktop(not so desirable?), so a hundred ….well, it's gone now.
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Vintage Thermador Double Oven, Vintage JennAir Stove top (Southern NH)
Ad reads: "Classic Look. Best of the old days. $200 per unit or $300 for the pair. They don't make them like this any more. Circa 1979 Vintage Thermatronic II double oven by Thermador. Ready to bake. Vintage JennAir electric stove top. Used once. Center downdraft. Came with house and...
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warmsecondrinse
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Would you believe it took me 10 minutes to find out what a micro-thermal oven is?
http://articles.latimes.com/1988-03-24/food/fo-456_1_california-kitchens
How are these different from Advantium ovens?
Jim
http://articles.latimes.com/1988-03-24/food/fo-456_1_california-kitchens
How are these different from Advantium ovens?
Jim
ovrphil
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hey thanks Jim - I seem to remember seeing these once back when, but forgot about them(so expensive!)…thanks for the link.
Hi Phil Thanks for posting these ovens, The Jenn-Air down-draft Electric cook-tops were actually very good good and versatile cooking appliances, I have enjoyed mine.
Hi Jim, interesting article on cooking appliances from 1988, I loved to comments about how they thought that halogen surface elements were so great, as it turned out they offered almost no advantage over regular smooth top electric elements [ and have ministerially disappeared from the market, LOL ].
The difference between the Advantium ovens [ which are still made ] and these full sized Micro-Thermal-[ and sometimes ] Convection ovens is the lack of interior size and most of all they are not Self-Cleaning. The GE Advantum and other Over-The -Range and counter-top Micro-Convection can do some really good fast cooking , But they quickly become a huge mess and a fire hazzard because of all the impossible grease filled areas, as a result few people use them much at their full potential.
By contrast in my TD wall oven I often warm up left overs without even covering them because if something pops and sprays food on the oven interior I will never have to clean it, as it will be burned away the next time the SC cycle is run.
Hi Jim, interesting article on cooking appliances from 1988, I loved to comments about how they thought that halogen surface elements were so great, as it turned out they offered almost no advantage over regular smooth top electric elements [ and have ministerially disappeared from the market, LOL ].
The difference between the Advantium ovens [ which are still made ] and these full sized Micro-Thermal-[ and sometimes ] Convection ovens is the lack of interior size and most of all they are not Self-Cleaning. The GE Advantum and other Over-The -Range and counter-top Micro-Convection can do some really good fast cooking , But they quickly become a huge mess and a fire hazzard because of all the impossible grease filled areas, as a result few people use them much at their full potential.
By contrast in my TD wall oven I often warm up left overs without even covering them because if something pops and sprays food on the oven interior I will never have to clean it, as it will be burned away the next time the SC cycle is run.
ovrphil
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Hi John - I remember seeing these Advantium ovens at Home Depot's Expo store. They seemed impressive, using halogen and microwave energy to cook. It's so highly individualistic, cooking and the source to do it…I can live with a standalone oven or a stacked set like these TD's. I tend to like alot of things, so the Advantium seemed like a better idea than having a microwave alone. Though I'm a neatnick and I'd have no problem cleaning after each use, I would prefer self-cleaning on a "state-of-the-art" cooking appliances.
The Thermador Thermatronics don't show up much on CL- probably because they were expensive and people are still enjoy using them.
(how to keep your Advantium oven clean link below)
The Thermador Thermatronics don't show up much on CL- probably because they were expensive and people are still enjoy using them.
(how to keep your Advantium oven clean link below)
stricklybojack
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Looks like another..
is on the market, same price different town.
is on the market, same price different town.
Hi Phil, reading the cleaning instructions it was enough to convince me that my decision not to install a 240 volt Advantum in my kitchen was a good one, they lost me when it said CLEAN AFTER EACH USE, I would never have any oven that needed cleaning after each use, I happen to enjoy actually having friends and a life.
Hi SBJ the oven you posted in #10 is the double wall oven I have in my kitchen currently, this one is similar to the one that started this thread, but has the added advantage of a convection fan in the top oven as well as 700 watts of MW power and five MW power levels instead of three. When I did my kitchen originally I had the earlier one and overall the newer one does not offer that much advantage, but is still a great oven.
Hi SBJ the oven you posted in #10 is the double wall oven I have in my kitchen currently, this one is similar to the one that started this thread, but has the added advantage of a convection fan in the top oven as well as 700 watts of MW power and five MW power levels instead of three. When I did my kitchen originally I had the earlier one and overall the newer one does not offer that much advantage, but is still a great oven.
ovrphil
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JohnL - well, I would never clean an oven til the friends left. But I get your point! Your oven sounds great and I prefer the self-cleaning …but just saying, if I wanted it bad enough, I'd find time to clean it. Lazy I am, at times, just the same. Thanks for detailing these ovens.
The problem with Advantium and other convection microwaves is that microwave cooking makes foods spatter and pop more than just oven cooking. In a regular microwave, those can be fairly easily cleaned after each use, but in a convection or Advantium combination, you have the heat cooking the splatters onto the cavity lining as they hit. That makes cleaning them harder. I cover stuff I warm up in the microwave.
ovrphil
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Thermador double oven - $100 (Midway)
1993 model # ……?
1993 model # ……?
warmsecondrinse
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Advantium disadvantia
So that's a glaring design fault with the Advantium, no? Needing to clean it after each and every use, I mean. Maybe that's one reason why they're not popular.
Does anyone make a similar oven that only need to be cleaned when the need is plainly visible?
Jim
So that's a glaring design fault with the Advantium, no? Needing to clean it after each and every use, I mean. Maybe that's one reason why they're not popular.
Does anyone make a similar oven that only need to be cleaned when the need is plainly visible?
Jim
Cleaning Combo MW-Thermal Ovens
Hi Jim, not any more.
Hi Phil, thanks for posting the ad for the Thermador in post #14 in Winston-Salem, I called and unfortunately it was already sold, I was going to get it and install it in our W Va. home. This version of this great oven was the best looking one they ever built IMO.
Hi Jim, not any more.
Hi Phil, thanks for posting the ad for the Thermador in post #14 in Winston-Salem, I called and unfortunately it was already sold, I was going to get it and install it in our W Va. home. This version of this great oven was the best looking one they ever built IMO.
ovrphil
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Post #14 - still showing on CL but
sold? I'm sorry that didn't work out, JohnL.
I'll keep an eye out for another - whether or not it'll show up anytime sooner or later.
My pleasure.
sold? I'm sorry that didn't work out, JohnL.
I'll keep an eye out for another - whether or not it'll show up anytime sooner or later.
My pleasure.
toploader55
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I think...
Jetcone has this Model or close to it in his kitchen.
Jetcone has this Model or close to it in his kitchen.
