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Case in point:
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Grab it while you can 
Well, considering the prices they are asking ($17 for shipping???) I could probably turn my stash into ready cash.
And then refill at the Grocery Outlet that's about a five minute walk from here.
And then refill at the Grocery Outlet that's about a five minute walk from here.
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To be fair, both UPS and USPS raised their rates as of the first of the new year.
Also the stuff isn't exactly light, nor will those large boxes fit any of the "flat rate" USPS "Priority Mail" boxes.
To be fair, both UPS and USPS raised their rates as of the first of the new year.
Also the stuff isn't exactly light, nor will those large boxes fit any of the "flat rate" USPS "Priority Mail" boxes.
STOCK UP!
Although I'm getting excellent results with non-phosphate Finish Powerball Tabs and Cascade Complete Gel, it's obvious from the many complaints lodged that others are not. I suppose it's a combination of water hardness/quality and dishwasher action.
I'm surprised this hasn't happened already: Some of you alchemists mix STTP (among other things) into your dishwasher detergent to improve results. Why not bag that up and sell it for a healthy profit on Ebay? With disappointment in current detergents running rampant, you might find a sizable clientele for it!
After all, people like Paul Deen rake in the bucks (6-oz. jar for $8) by simply mixing salt, black pepper, garlic powder, and granulated onion and selling it as House Seasoning. It would be far less expensive to make it yourself, but people like buying things ready-made.
Just a thought..
I'm surprised this hasn't happened already: Some of you alchemists mix STTP (among other things) into your dishwasher detergent to improve results. Why not bag that up and sell it for a healthy profit on Ebay? With disappointment in current detergents running rampant, you might find a sizable clientele for it!
After all, people like Paul Deen rake in the bucks (6-oz. jar for $8) by simply mixing salt, black pepper, garlic powder, and granulated onion and selling it as House Seasoning. It would be far less expensive to make it yourself, but people like buying things ready-made.
Just a thought..
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i emailed P&G a couple of months ago and asked if cascade for foodservice had phosphates in it and they responded back and said "all of our detergents are phosphate free due to the phosphate ban"
Shipping not the whole point, exactly
I can buy the same stuff (in a phosphated 5.1 lb residential green box) at the local Grocery Outlet for $7 a box.
The eBay folks are selling it for $15 a box. That's over a 100% markup. Walmart territory, with none of the overhead.
But hey, if they can make a few bucks and make a few suckers happy, who am I to complain? I'm just saying, I could get in on that action as well.
There is apparently a huge amount of this "banned" stuff in the pipeline. I have a sizable stash I accumulated over the summer. But last time I checked a month ago, it's still on the Grocery Outlet shelves.
Eventually I will have to start doctoring non-phosphated dw detergent with STPP, the same as I do with non-phosphated laundry detergent. But unless I start selling off my stash of phosphated Cascade, that will take quite a while.
I can buy the same stuff (in a phosphated 5.1 lb residential green box) at the local Grocery Outlet for $7 a box.
The eBay folks are selling it for $15 a box. That's over a 100% markup. Walmart territory, with none of the overhead.
But hey, if they can make a few bucks and make a few suckers happy, who am I to complain? I'm just saying, I could get in on that action as well.
There is apparently a huge amount of this "banned" stuff in the pipeline. I have a sizable stash I accumulated over the summer. But last time I checked a month ago, it's still on the Grocery Outlet shelves.
Eventually I will have to start doctoring non-phosphated dw detergent with STPP, the same as I do with non-phosphated laundry detergent. But unless I start selling off my stash of phosphated Cascade, that will take quite a while.
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The markup is not 100 percent from a real world business prospective. Markup is often based on the selling price tool thus an Item that costs 1 dollar and sells for 2 has a 50 percent markup. With this alternate definition 100 percent markup is an item costs zero and sells for infinity; and never can go above 100. In lay terms and in some industries too markup is when N item costs 1 and sells for 2.
The person who sells that item has costs too; paypal grabs something. He had to travel and spend time to buy it; and wait in line at the post office to mail it. If one ignores actual costs and labor then every persons business would be making gobs of money; in reality few are and the whole country is in debt.
The person who sells that item has costs too; paypal grabs something. He had to travel and spend time to buy it; and wait in line at the post office to mail it. If one ignores actual costs and labor then every persons business would be making gobs of money; in reality few are and the whole country is in debt.
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Thanks for the explanation of seller price markup.
This would explain why I thought the woman who used to do quotes for an IT reseller I worked for was doing the margins wrong. She insisted it was correct, and had a little hand held circular cardboard "calculator" to show me. I let her know I still thought it was misleading, but if that was the business standard I wasn't going to argue about it. Same here ;-)
Of course, when it comes to salary increases, the percentage is calculated from the base, not from the final figure... go figure.
Anyway, you're right, I'm probably not going to go into the vintage dw detergent reselling business any time soon. I figure it has a limited time frame, and there might be issues with quality (which I can't control) as well payment etc. And, technically, it might be illegal to sell the stuff to people in states where the stuff is now banned. Not sure about that.
Thanks for the explanation of seller price markup.
This would explain why I thought the woman who used to do quotes for an IT reseller I worked for was doing the margins wrong. She insisted it was correct, and had a little hand held circular cardboard "calculator" to show me. I let her know I still thought it was misleading, but if that was the business standard I wasn't going to argue about it. Same here ;-)
Of course, when it comes to salary increases, the percentage is calculated from the base, not from the final figure... go figure.
Anyway, you're right, I'm probably not going to go into the vintage dw detergent reselling business any time soon. I figure it has a limited time frame, and there might be issues with quality (which I can't control) as well payment etc. And, technically, it might be illegal to sell the stuff to people in states where the stuff is now banned. Not sure about that.
To Be Fair (Again)
At least the seller is being honest about pricing, and starting his auctions at what he deems a fair price to cover his costs. Other fleaBay sellers will start an auction at *99 cents), the whack the winning bidder with all manner and sort of "handling" charges, plus goose the the shipping price as well. All in an effort to recoup their costs which they feel weren't covered by the low winning bid.
Indeed over the years there were many heated debates (ok, rants, *LOL*), about sellers who charged vastly inflated postage costs, only to have an item arrive in some box they found on the street with a few sheets of last Sunday's paper as "packing". Or worse, if you dared to question them you got a well reasoned abuse saying they have to "cover their costs" and or "pay for their time....".
Uh HELLO! You don't nickle and dime customers because you don't know how to price your cheap tat correctly.
Methinks eBay heard these complaints loud and clear, and made changes to their system. One can for example leave feedback regarding shipping costs and timely manner. Also the system is set up now to more incorporate accurate USPS, UPS and now FedEx pricing.
At least the seller is being honest about pricing, and starting his auctions at what he deems a fair price to cover his costs. Other fleaBay sellers will start an auction at *99 cents), the whack the winning bidder with all manner and sort of "handling" charges, plus goose the the shipping price as well. All in an effort to recoup their costs which they feel weren't covered by the low winning bid.
Indeed over the years there were many heated debates (ok, rants, *LOL*), about sellers who charged vastly inflated postage costs, only to have an item arrive in some box they found on the street with a few sheets of last Sunday's paper as "packing". Or worse, if you dared to question them you got a well reasoned abuse saying they have to "cover their costs" and or "pay for their time....".
Uh HELLO! You don't nickle and dime customers because you don't know how to price your cheap tat correctly.
Methinks eBay heard these complaints loud and clear, and made changes to their system. One can for example leave feedback regarding shipping costs and timely manner. Also the system is set up now to more incorporate accurate USPS, UPS and now FedEx pricing.
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I still thought it was misleading
RE "She insisted it was correct, and had a little hand held circular cardboard "calculator" to show me. I let her know I still thought it was misleading, but if that was the business standard I wasn't going to argue about it. Same here ;-) "
Here I have found that each industry can use a different definition; thus it is really silly to assume that there is only one way.
In a lay sense; folks who assume that there is only one way are not exposed to dealing with as many industries.; thus their way is the only way.
An old plastic circular slider rule I use to sell based markup on a 1 dollar item sold for 2 is a 50 percent markup.
The *REASON* some industries like this is it allows the business owner to understand their costs easier; when items are on the shelves already priced.
ie if new spring shirts are 50 percent markup and sell for 20 dollars; their cost is 10.
ie if dress shoes are marked up 33.3 percent and sell for 60 bucks the profits is 60 *.333 =20 dollars. If they are out of style and are on sale at cost; one sells them for 60* (1-1/3) =40 dollars. All one really knows is the stickered price and the markup.
With a Walmart unisonic XL-1018X calculator from 7 years ago; the above "markup" definition is called "margin". Thus one can punch in 40 dollar cost and 60 dollar sell and compute margin and get 50 percent. Many text books call that markup definition margin too. But in industry one has gobs of folks using the older more practical definition; one placed on a million circular slider rules floating around.
I have met college Phd profs who will argue that until hell freezes over that an item that cost 1 and sells for 2 is 100 percent markup. In their bubble world there is ONLY one definition. I have met millionaire buyers who only have only a high school education that use the 1940 circular slide rules and call 1 dollar cost 2 dollar sell 50 percent markup.
The Phd lives in a bubble, he does not deal with buying gobs of items for a living. He is free to create his sheltered little universe that only has one definition.
The millionarie buyer sees folks call the 1 dollar cost and 2 dollar sell both 50 and 100 percent margin.
He really wants to make money and thus really knows that there is more than one way to define things.
RE "She insisted it was correct, and had a little hand held circular cardboard "calculator" to show me. I let her know I still thought it was misleading, but if that was the business standard I wasn't going to argue about it. Same here ;-) "
Here I have found that each industry can use a different definition; thus it is really silly to assume that there is only one way.
In a lay sense; folks who assume that there is only one way are not exposed to dealing with as many industries.; thus their way is the only way.
An old plastic circular slider rule I use to sell based markup on a 1 dollar item sold for 2 is a 50 percent markup.
The *REASON* some industries like this is it allows the business owner to understand their costs easier; when items are on the shelves already priced.
ie if new spring shirts are 50 percent markup and sell for 20 dollars; their cost is 10.
ie if dress shoes are marked up 33.3 percent and sell for 60 bucks the profits is 60 *.333 =20 dollars. If they are out of style and are on sale at cost; one sells them for 60* (1-1/3) =40 dollars. All one really knows is the stickered price and the markup.
With a Walmart unisonic XL-1018X calculator from 7 years ago; the above "markup" definition is called "margin". Thus one can punch in 40 dollar cost and 60 dollar sell and compute margin and get 50 percent. Many text books call that markup definition margin too. But in industry one has gobs of folks using the older more practical definition; one placed on a million circular slider rules floating around.
I have met college Phd profs who will argue that until hell freezes over that an item that cost 1 and sells for 2 is 100 percent markup. In their bubble world there is ONLY one definition. I have met millionaire buyers who only have only a high school education that use the 1940 circular slide rules and call 1 dollar cost 2 dollar sell 50 percent markup.
The Phd lives in a bubble, he does not deal with buying gobs of items for a living. He is free to create his sheltered little universe that only has one definition.
The millionarie buyer sees folks call the 1 dollar cost and 2 dollar sell both 50 and 100 percent margin.
He really wants to make money and thus really knows that there is more than one way to define things.
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Ebay sell price and shipping
In Ebay auctions; ones Ebay fees are one the selling price; not the shipping.
(1)Thus If I sell and item for 40 bucks with free freight; ebay uses the 40 dollar number to calculate their fees I pay
(2)Thus If I sell and item for 25 bucks with 15 freight; ebay uses the 25 dollar number to calculate their fees I pay
(3) Thus If I sell and item for 1 bucks with 39 freight; ebay uses the 1 dollar number to calculate their fees I pay
Thus when I bought a as-is store return Haier HLP21N for 5 dollars on Ebay; the listed freight charge was 39.99. I paid 44.99 dollars for a washing machine. The cost to send the washer to me was only about 29 bucks via UPS. Thus the seller made 5 dollars on the sale and about 11 in shipping. The shipping is not subject to ebay fees; thus the seller makes more money on the shipping than the sale. The seller might get say 4 for the auction and makes about 10 on the shipping.
Since Ebay only charges fees on the sale price; a seller makes more money on case (3) than case (1) or case (2)
In Ebay auctions; ones Ebay fees are one the selling price; not the shipping.
(1)Thus If I sell and item for 40 bucks with free freight; ebay uses the 40 dollar number to calculate their fees I pay
(2)Thus If I sell and item for 25 bucks with 15 freight; ebay uses the 25 dollar number to calculate their fees I pay
(3) Thus If I sell and item for 1 bucks with 39 freight; ebay uses the 1 dollar number to calculate their fees I pay
Thus when I bought a as-is store return Haier HLP21N for 5 dollars on Ebay; the listed freight charge was 39.99. I paid 44.99 dollars for a washing machine. The cost to send the washer to me was only about 29 bucks via UPS. Thus the seller made 5 dollars on the sale and about 11 in shipping. The shipping is not subject to ebay fees; thus the seller makes more money on the shipping than the sale. The seller might get say 4 for the auction and makes about 10 on the shipping.
Since Ebay only charges fees on the sale price; a seller makes more money on case (3) than case (1) or case (2)
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BANNED ebay stuff
Ebay trolls for words like "banned". Thus one can have the Ebay folks shut down one's auctions; or via goodie two shoes complaining to Ebay; or the maker of the product wanting to halt sales too.
Thus an up front advert can work for awhile then ones auctions get halted.
I have seen this with grease with lead, chemicals, gun parts, racy images, super high end camera filters where the importer wants to be the only seller, on products that have been recalled too.
Thus an old gas refrigerator could in theory have its auction halted; since Ebay does not to be responsible if a poor units causes carbon monoxide deaths.
In the camera filters; it was some Heliopan filters that had Ebay removing auctions. It is OK to sell your used Heliopan filter; but not to sell new filters if they do not funnel through the offical importer.
Ebay trolls for words like "banned". Thus one can have the Ebay folks shut down one's auctions; or via goodie two shoes complaining to Ebay; or the maker of the product wanting to halt sales too.
Thus an up front advert can work for awhile then ones auctions get halted.
I have seen this with grease with lead, chemicals, gun parts, racy images, super high end camera filters where the importer wants to be the only seller, on products that have been recalled too.
Thus an old gas refrigerator could in theory have its auction halted; since Ebay does not to be responsible if a poor units causes carbon monoxide deaths.
In the camera filters; it was some Heliopan filters that had Ebay removing auctions. It is OK to sell your used Heliopan filter; but not to sell new filters if they do not funnel through the offical importer.
I don't bid on eBay auctions unless the shipping/handling price is clearly defined first.
And I won't bid at all if I think the shipping/handling fee is excessive.
And I won't bid at all if I think the shipping/handling fee is excessive.
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RE "And I won't bid at all if I think the shipping/handling fee is excessive. "
With my (Post# 500026, Reply# 14 ) examples 1, 2 and 3 your total cost is the same 40 dollars.
Thus do not buy (3) for moral reasons; ie you do not want the seller to "make money on the shipping"?
Here I worry only about my total cost; thus I view examples 1, 2 and 3 as the same morally.
I really have no magic ball to judge if the seller is right next to the UPS or post office; or is miles away and has to use a taxi.
With my (Post# 500026, Reply# 14 ) examples 1, 2 and 3 your total cost is the same 40 dollars.
Thus do not buy (3) for moral reasons; ie you do not want the seller to "make money on the shipping"?
Here I worry only about my total cost; thus I view examples 1, 2 and 3 as the same morally.
I really have no magic ball to judge if the seller is right next to the UPS or post office; or is miles away and has to use a taxi.
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Thus do *you*? not buy (3) for moral reasons; ie you do not want the seller to "make money on the shipping"?
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