Here's a vid of Goodman factory
Does not look like a Carrier facility to me.
Does not look like a Carrier facility to me.
Thoughts on the Goodman GMSS96060 furnace
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Goodman is NOT Carrier
They belong to Daikin which is Japanese.
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They belong to Daikin which is Japanese.
vacerator
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Guy's,
If you go to Google maps in Huntington Indiana, you will see the United Technologies Carrier plant there. They also brand for Rheem, and Amana, and the first video posted by washman shows about 2/3 the way through.
If you go to Google maps in Huntington Indiana, you will see the United Technologies Carrier plant there. They also brand for Rheem, and Amana, and the first video posted by washman shows about 2/3 the way through.
vacerator
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Now we are talking
air conditioning units, not furnaces.
As the Goodman website is a sales tool for them, and says they had a warehouse in Houston TX., well that is close to where Lenox is.
air conditioning units, not furnaces.
As the Goodman website is a sales tool for them, and says they had a warehouse in Houston TX., well that is close to where Lenox is.
Lennox facilities
*Lennox Industries Division Facilities Headquarters: Richardson, Texas
*Research and Development Facility: Carrollton, Texas
*North American Parts and Distribution Center: Des Moines, Iowa
*Marshalltown Factory: Marshalltown, Iowa
*Stuttgart Factory: Stuttgart, Arkansas
Both Carrolton and RIchardson are in the DFW are. Goodman is down by Houston
*Lennox Industries Division Facilities Headquarters: Richardson, Texas
*Research and Development Facility: Carrollton, Texas
*North American Parts and Distribution Center: Des Moines, Iowa
*Marshalltown Factory: Marshalltown, Iowa
*Stuttgart Factory: Stuttgart, Arkansas
Both Carrolton and RIchardson are in the DFW are. Goodman is down by Houston
vacerator
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Ok then, it is difficult to keep track of who owns who.
Does Goodman actually have a factory? They do not say.
The plant west of Indy, in Huntington is the plant which is closing, owned by UT Carrier.
There used to be three compressor companies left. Copeland, Tecumseh, and York.
The cabinets for most brands only have two shapes today. Same as with the furnaces, except for Trane. A Payne unit looks identical to a Carrier.
Do they all have Fasco motors for induction and forced air?
Daikin is Japanese, and has only been on our market a few years.
I think we will see more split units like LG and Mitsubishi make, especially in new construction.
Does Goodman actually have a factory? They do not say.
The plant west of Indy, in Huntington is the plant which is closing, owned by UT Carrier.
There used to be three compressor companies left. Copeland, Tecumseh, and York.
The cabinets for most brands only have two shapes today. Same as with the furnaces, except for Trane. A Payne unit looks identical to a Carrier.
Do they all have Fasco motors for induction and forced air?
Daikin is Japanese, and has only been on our market a few years.
I think we will see more split units like LG and Mitsubishi make, especially in new construction.
Yes Goodman does have a factory
all of it is being consolidated in Houston (non union) Texas. Dayton TN and Fayetteville TN factories are being closed.
Payne is Carrier's (UTC) contractor grade furnace.
Dunno if all of them use Fasco or not. Probably whatever is cheapest that gets the job done I would assume per corporate America standards.
Carlyle Compressor is owned by UTC
Copeland is owned by Emerson Technologies
Trane used to have a compressor factory in Texas, it made the Danfoss design that GE called Climatuff. Trane bought GE's residential central AC in 1982.
all of it is being consolidated in Houston (non union) Texas. Dayton TN and Fayetteville TN factories are being closed.
Payne is Carrier's (UTC) contractor grade furnace.
Dunno if all of them use Fasco or not. Probably whatever is cheapest that gets the job done I would assume per corporate America standards.
Carlyle Compressor is owned by UTC
Copeland is owned by Emerson Technologies
Trane used to have a compressor factory in Texas, it made the Danfoss design that GE called Climatuff. Trane bought GE's residential central AC in 1982.
my non union AC running last summer
Ain't she a peach?
Ain't she a peach?
vacerator
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It's pretty quiet!
I've got a 90's Bryant high efficiency (for then) 2 ton variable speed, and a newer Lenox variable speed 2 stage furnace. They work well together.
Blower ramps up slow, no hot or cold blasts of air, and runs a good full minute or so after the outside unit shuts off to clear the ducts of cold air.
I've got a 90's Bryant high efficiency (for then) 2 ton variable speed, and a newer Lenox variable speed 2 stage furnace. They work well together.
Blower ramps up slow, no hot or cold blasts of air, and runs a good full minute or so after the outside unit shuts off to clear the ducts of cold air.
It does ok
the fan motor is a Chinese sourced "broad Ocean" label, probably the cheapest of the cheap.
It carries the freight up here with ease. It does not run constantly. Only thing is the furnace is single stage, full on or full off, no gradual ramp up on fan speed.
Goodman's are noted for weak start/run capacitors on the condensing units. I have priced out a USA made replacement that I will order soon to have a spare. They are easy to change.
Beyond that, my cost of running is pretty nil compared to the condo. With the cold weather spurts we've had, I would have a $100+ gas bill over there. Not here.
What does cost are the Aprilaire 413 filters. THey are good, last a bit, but I pay around $40 incl. shipping to get them here from an outfit in Ohio.
Get back to me in 5 years or so which will give the unit time to break down. I'm sure the doodads that make it tick are not the most durable but there are some things I know I can replace myself thus saving a service call. All the HVAC outfits around here service Goodman along with other common brands.
FYI I think you had Thermopride in mind when you said Carrier makes their outdoor units. Actually those are made by Johnson Controls (Coleman, York, Luxaire, Champion). They have facilities in Norman OK, and Witcha KS. They also use a lot of microchannel "technology" (total BS) in their outdoor coils. IIRC I think they also slap the storied "Airtemp" name on some of their stuff too.
the fan motor is a Chinese sourced "broad Ocean" label, probably the cheapest of the cheap.
It carries the freight up here with ease. It does not run constantly. Only thing is the furnace is single stage, full on or full off, no gradual ramp up on fan speed.
Goodman's are noted for weak start/run capacitors on the condensing units. I have priced out a USA made replacement that I will order soon to have a spare. They are easy to change.
Beyond that, my cost of running is pretty nil compared to the condo. With the cold weather spurts we've had, I would have a $100+ gas bill over there. Not here.
What does cost are the Aprilaire 413 filters. THey are good, last a bit, but I pay around $40 incl. shipping to get them here from an outfit in Ohio.
Get back to me in 5 years or so which will give the unit time to break down. I'm sure the doodads that make it tick are not the most durable but there are some things I know I can replace myself thus saving a service call. All the HVAC outfits around here service Goodman along with other common brands.
FYI I think you had Thermopride in mind when you said Carrier makes their outdoor units. Actually those are made by Johnson Controls (Coleman, York, Luxaire, Champion). They have facilities in Norman OK, and Witcha KS. They also use a lot of microchannel "technology" (total BS) in their outdoor coils. IIRC I think they also slap the storied "Airtemp" name on some of their stuff too.
In general beware of the variable speed DC blower motors.One of the guys that is on my shift had his fail.Replacement was like $500!!So he purchased a fixed speed replacement thru Graingers and saved about $300.Did an autoposy on the old motor-board was potted but you could see where the blown board components vented thru the epoxy potting.Sometimes that stuff catches fire!
vacerator
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re; motor quality
Ah, well, the lowest cost is par for the course with todays manufacturers it seems.
We pay good money for things and then have to pay more to improve their longevity and or performance.
All but negates the energy savings in my opinion.
Some public personalities of late have been critical of one havac maker for going to Mexico, and for Johnson Controls moving their HQ to Ireland.
I guess it's all just global enterprise shuffling around.
If I were going to make something and sell it, I would want satisfied customers who tell friends how well it is made and reliable, to get more sales.
Today, the makers are not the sellers in most instances.
The consumer is over the barrel so to speak.
Ah, well, the lowest cost is par for the course with todays manufacturers it seems.
We pay good money for things and then have to pay more to improve their longevity and or performance.
All but negates the energy savings in my opinion.
Some public personalities of late have been critical of one havac maker for going to Mexico, and for Johnson Controls moving their HQ to Ireland.
I guess it's all just global enterprise shuffling around.
If I were going to make something and sell it, I would want satisfied customers who tell friends how well it is made and reliable, to get more sales.
Today, the makers are not the sellers in most instances.
The consumer is over the barrel so to speak.
I know Goodman has (unless it's closed already) a factory in Fayetteville, TN because I have seen it and my own Amana AC/furnace package unit was built there.
Fedders used to have a facility right here in my town, and GE used to build fridge compressors here too (the bad ones).
Whirlpool had a facility in Lavergne,TN, but it also closed.
International Comfort Products (part of UTC)has a facility in Lewisburg, TN
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Fedders used to have a facility right here in my town, and GE used to build fridge compressors here too (the bad ones).
Whirlpool had a facility in Lavergne,TN, but it also closed.
International Comfort Products (part of UTC)has a facility in Lewisburg, TN
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Well I do feel for the TN folks
but at least Daikin is keeping the jobs in USA, even if it is Texas. I'd rather see jobs go from state to state than south of the border.
I also forgot Nordyne, the original breeder of the infamous Intertherm mobile home oil furnace that I grew to detest with a passion.
www.nortekhvac.com
but at least Daikin is keeping the jobs in USA, even if it is Texas. I'd rather see jobs go from state to state than south of the border.
I also forgot Nordyne, the original breeder of the infamous Intertherm mobile home oil furnace that I grew to detest with a passion.
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Latest bill
March 11-April 12, actual bill.
Customer Charge - 1 Month $15.06
Price-to-Compare Commodity $1.9077 per MCF 4.96
Delivery Charge
2.6 MCF @ $7.1346 18.55
Demand (Capacity Charge) $0.6769 per MCF 1.76
State Tax Surcharge Cr .02
Total Current Charges $40.35
Total Account Balance $40.35
March 11-April 12, actual bill.
Customer Charge - 1 Month $15.06
Price-to-Compare Commodity $1.9077 per MCF 4.96
Delivery Charge
2.6 MCF @ $7.1346 18.55
Demand (Capacity Charge) $0.6769 per MCF 1.76
State Tax Surcharge Cr .02
Total Current Charges $40.35
Total Account Balance $40.35
Well 1 year with the Goodman
and thus far, no problems. Recall when I moved in 12 months ago, PA had a cold, wet spring and I was running the furnace even in May. This year might shape up to be a bit warmer, earlier.
Obviously, I cannot complain about the gas bills. None went over $60.00. Probably the biggest expense are the Aprilaire 413 filters that I buy via mail order.
House has remained comfortable all winter, even on the below zero days with evil NW winds.
2 co workers installed complete Goodman HVAC in their houses they are remodeling. Another co-worker had his Goodman HVAC for 9 years and no service calls..........yet.
I hope I can get a great many years of use before I have to call the repair guy.
and thus far, no problems. Recall when I moved in 12 months ago, PA had a cold, wet spring and I was running the furnace even in May. This year might shape up to be a bit warmer, earlier.
Obviously, I cannot complain about the gas bills. None went over $60.00. Probably the biggest expense are the Aprilaire 413 filters that I buy via mail order.
House has remained comfortable all winter, even on the below zero days with evil NW winds.
2 co workers installed complete Goodman HVAC in their houses they are remodeling. Another co-worker had his Goodman HVAC for 9 years and no service calls..........yet.
I hope I can get a great many years of use before I have to call the repair guy.
gusherb
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Excellent! The first thing to go will probably be the HSI. Ours are 10 and 5 years old and haven't had any issue yet, not even an HSI. I have a spare HSI for the older furnace, the cost of an HSI for the downstairs furnace is around $50 so haven't got one for that yet. The upstairs furnace HSI was only about $25, funny they take a different part despite being the same series of furnace by the same manufacturer.
