Timer repair for Kevin's Apex washer

[washerlover]

I don't want to duplicate what others have said but what the heck: AWESOME! You have inspired me to tackle my Maytag Highlander washer timer that seems to be dead. And a question: what type of lubrication did you use on the gear that was "glued" stuck? Thanks again for the wonderful posts.

 

[statomatic]

Wow! great job.

 

[syndets2000]

kewl...

...like I saw it mentioned earlier, this site is a treasure trove of information, and display of peoples knowledge and skill- your repair was an example of that- I have never seen an Apex in person, but on some videos, I have heard it referred to as ..." one of those nervous washers.." How fast is the spin speed? Wonder why these never really caught on? Robert

 

[ken]

Bump

I found this thread very interesting and informative. And Id like to know if others who commented that David had given them incentive to rewind the coils in dead motors they had gave it a try?

And Kevin: Whats the status on the Apex?

 

[turquoisedude]

Funny you mention timer motors...

I am bordering on desperation over those Ingraham timer motors these days... I have three dead ones and I had to pluck a good one out of a working machine to save another...

David, if you are willing to take on the rewinding a few, please let me know. I am very serious about this and I will pay for your services, of course!

 

[jetcone]

This is a good thread

<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>it should always be "local"

 

[ken]

@jon

I agree. It would be good if there was a "reference section" here to archive such threads. They could then always be available and easily found to be used as teaching tools for machine restoration.

 

[d-jones]

Wow guys, thanks for tuning into this thread again after so much time has passed. It's nice to see that it hasn't been forgotten. I've also wondered if anyone else had decided to give this a try, so if anyone did, please chime in and let us know how it went.

 

Paul, I've actually been wondering if this repair would be repeatable. As I mentioned higher up in the thread, that plate with the six metal posts attached to it could have been really difficult to reassemble, but it wasn't, so now I worry that I just got lucky. Consequently, I think I'd like a chance to try this again. If I remember correctly I believe I even asked Robert if he had any dead ones laying about that I could work on, but as fate would have it he didn't so I just let it go. Anyways, send me a message through the private message system and let me know what you have in mind.

[this post was last edited: 4/29/2014-22:58]

 

[combo52]

Old Black Timer Motors

These old timer motors that were made by the E.Ingraham Co. seem to be failing as time has gone on, back in the 60s-70s it seemed that we seldom saw one of these motors fail. The early motors made in the late 40s had the cover soldered in place, and between 9-49 and 11-49 they stared to have an easily removable cover that was held in place by the brass nut around the pinion shaft.

It seems that there was some type of contamination during manufacturing of these motors that is causing the copper windings to corrode and fail over time. I guess this is not surprising as most items manufactured in this time period were not made nearly as well as items are made today, we should get the E. Ingraham Co. to do a recall of these poorly made motors, LOL.

The good news is that the later smaller silver motor design that came out in the mid 50s is a perfect fit on these older timers and so far this newer design TM does not seem to be failing like the earlier ones. Because the newer TMs fit my older machines I personally have no need to try to fix these old black ones.

David I think it was quite an achievement that you successfully fixed one of these early motors and if you want more of them I have a whole pile of ones that have no motor continuity, let me know and I will send you some, otherwise they will eventually end up in the metal recycling bin.

John L.

 

[ken]

@john

How do you go about finding the correct newer silver timer motor for a particular application to replace an older black one? Is it all done by cross referencing the original TM part number?

Say for example you have a 1950s Kenmore washer with a dead timer motor. Ive read that newer Whirlpool timers will work but up to what year? And is it all models or only certain models?

 

[combo52]

Timer Motor Replacement

Hi Ken, I just use the next generation timer motor that was used on Mallory timers, they were used starting on machines in the mid 50s and on into the 60s and well beyond in many machines. This newer design motor has the power leads coming out of the TM casing instead of having two terminals on the side of the TM that the power plugs into. All you have to do to install these newer motors is splice the power wires and turn the orignal mounting plate that held the orignal TM to the escapement upside down and reinstall the two tiny nuts that hold it in place.

Part #s for this are probably fairly useless as almost every one of them is NLA if you try to look them up that way.

 

[d-jones]

John

Would you happen to have a photo of one of these timer motors so people will know what they're looking for?

 

[jetcone]

Yes

a photo would be most helpful I think.

 

I think I know the ones he's talking about but they were made in a window between the black motors and the later silver motors with combined escapements. It was a short window,I don't think I have any around.