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Toggles it passes as a BobLoad. I see enough food soil on the roaster pan alone.
American(?) tradition of loading baking pans etc. upright -
Alexander, I wouldn't know how to do it any other way. I think that's one of the differences between American and foreign dishwashers. Can still do it with my tall tub Kenmore Elite (whirlpool), but did that even moreso with my old GE Potscrubber and resuolts were stellar.
Alexander, I wouldn't know how to do it any other way. I think that's one of the differences between American and foreign dishwashers. Can still do it with my tall tub Kenmore Elite (whirlpool), but did that even moreso with my old GE Potscrubber and resuolts were stellar.
I'm impressed.
Maybe it's a hard water issue, but I have never, with any dishwasher I've ever owned, including my beloved KDI-21 or the current "steam powered" Thermador, had a crock pot liner come out perfectly clean, even when aimed straight down on the bottom rack.
I also don't get results like Steve did with a roasting pan standing on its side. They have to be at least tilted, and for sure have completely unobstructed spraying action from the wash arm.
Maybe it's a hard water issue, but I have never, with any dishwasher I've ever owned, including my beloved KDI-21 or the current "steam powered" Thermador, had a crock pot liner come out perfectly clean, even when aimed straight down on the bottom rack.
I also don't get results like Steve did with a roasting pan standing on its side. They have to be at least tilted, and for sure have completely unobstructed spraying action from the wash arm.
Filters...
I have a german whirlpool , and it has self cleaning filters.
I only clean it once a month or 2 months , because it is always clean
hmm , I know the europeans are a bit smaller , but I think they clean better than the americans
I have a german whirlpool , and it has self cleaning filters.
I only clean it once a month or 2 months , because it is always clean
hmm , I know the europeans are a bit smaller , but I think they clean better than the americans
whirlcool
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Our two year old Maytag cleans very well. We never have any left over bits anywhere inside it. And we never rinse the dishes or pots/pans first.
How hot is the water going into your machine, and do you have Hi Temp Wash selected?
How hot is the water going into your machine, and do you have Hi Temp Wash selected?
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most cooked, baked & dried on food soils, stains and films are sucessfully washed away with no manual intervention. I think it can be attributed to the main wash cycle time of nearly an hour in this machine and good detergent.
The crock pot liner really was not that heavily soiled. No starchy type soils involved. It was just cooked on fatty film of beef broth. When heavy starch residue is involved, often; the liner emerges with a 'haze' that requires additional hand cleaning. Liquid Bar Keeepers Friend on a sponge wipes the remaining film away quite easily. It also works great to brighten up discolored stainless steel.
most cooked, baked & dried on food soils, stains and films are sucessfully washed away with no manual intervention. I think it can be attributed to the main wash cycle time of nearly an hour in this machine and good detergent.
The crock pot liner really was not that heavily soiled. No starchy type soils involved. It was just cooked on fatty film of beef broth. When heavy starch residue is involved, often; the liner emerges with a 'haze' that requires additional hand cleaning. Liquid Bar Keeepers Friend on a sponge wipes the remaining film away quite easily. It also works great to brighten up discolored stainless steel.
Whirlcool...
A thermometer is on Santa's list, but the water is scalding to the touch, and the water heater is set beyond the "normal" position. I do use the "Hi-Temp Wash", so it seems that should compensate as well.
Have you ever noticed a line of residue hidden beneath the door? Take a paper towel and give it a wipe to see. Tonight, I will exercise the "Sanitize" option and see if there's a difference. Chances are, it will still be running when I awake tomorrow morning.
George
A thermometer is on Santa's list, but the water is scalding to the touch, and the water heater is set beyond the "normal" position. I do use the "Hi-Temp Wash", so it seems that should compensate as well.
Have you ever noticed a line of residue hidden beneath the door? Take a paper towel and give it a wipe to see. Tonight, I will exercise the "Sanitize" option and see if there's a difference. Chances are, it will still be running when I awake tomorrow morning.
George
"BOSCH AND OTHER EUROPEAN DISHWASHERS
Are all much too small inside you would never get the size load pictured in them. Otherwise the new WP built machines with the filter probably aren't any better than the European machines, except that at least they can be repaired in place. I will never install another machine that has a filter that holds food residue in the machine that the final rinse water flows through"
Lol. Can easily fit tonnes into European dishwashers, easily similar amounts to what's pictured in threads on here, and again theres is that myth that filters hold residues for eternity. The design of filters in European dishwashers is so that it filters the water during recirculation, but once the water is drained out, the residue is drained out along with the rinse water, only leaving coarse food remains which shouldn't be there in the first place if one scrapes. The final rinse is done with nothing but clean, hot water.
For whatever it's worth, I've never had a dishwasher that smells stale either if you open it in the morning, unless obviously it's had dirty dishes in it festering for god knows how long. Not just that but filters aren't forever being cleaned out... I did my parents last time I was there for what must have been the first time in 6 months perhaps more and there was nothing in there except for a chicken bone.
Jon
Are all much too small inside you would never get the size load pictured in them. Otherwise the new WP built machines with the filter probably aren't any better than the European machines, except that at least they can be repaired in place. I will never install another machine that has a filter that holds food residue in the machine that the final rinse water flows through"
Lol. Can easily fit tonnes into European dishwashers, easily similar amounts to what's pictured in threads on here, and again theres is that myth that filters hold residues for eternity. The design of filters in European dishwashers is so that it filters the water during recirculation, but once the water is drained out, the residue is drained out along with the rinse water, only leaving coarse food remains which shouldn't be there in the first place if one scrapes. The final rinse is done with nothing but clean, hot water.
For whatever it's worth, I've never had a dishwasher that smells stale either if you open it in the morning, unless obviously it's had dirty dishes in it festering for god knows how long. Not just that but filters aren't forever being cleaned out... I did my parents last time I was there for what must have been the first time in 6 months perhaps more and there was nothing in there except for a chicken bone.
Jon
hoover1100
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Its not that I am lazy but why have a machine that you have
Because you don't........
I've never cleaned a filter on any dishwasher we've owned...
On occasions where I have checked the filter it has always been completely empty. Never any lingering smells either.
And yes, I could certainly fit the loads pictured above into *MOST* dishwashers I have used (Excluding a Zanussi...horrible thing that was!)
Matt
Because you don't........
I've never cleaned a filter on any dishwasher we've owned...
On occasions where I have checked the filter it has always been completely empty. Never any lingering smells either.
And yes, I could certainly fit the loads pictured above into *MOST* dishwashers I have used (Excluding a Zanussi...horrible thing that was!)
Matt
Quote: I'm always amazed at the American(?) tradition of loading baking pans etc. upright - as if they were plates! One would assume these deep items don't come out clean as water only sprays up and down, not sideways.
Actually the ENDS of the spray-arms have water-jet holes at an angle to scour the corners of the machine and to spin the wash-arm.
Actually the ENDS of the spray-arms have water-jet holes at an angle to scour the corners of the machine and to spin the wash-arm.
Toggles - I actually load roasting tins/oven trays like that sometimes, and they too come out clean. Space saving too!
Jon
Jon
Good I'm glad. I never thought of it as cultural! LOL.
Listen Euro-boys. I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to have a Bosch dishwasher. Pain-in-the-butt manual-clean filter and all. No one in North America ever said it cleans bad...actually I have heard "there is no better" in terms of cleaning and quiet.
My only issue with it is that it is hard to load BASED ON WHAT I AM USED TO. There are not enough rows of tines in the lower rack, to my taste. It appears to fit far fewer dishes and pieces of crockery than I have become accustomed to.
Please don't be insulted when we critique engineering and designs we are not used to. It is not intended as an insult, I'm sure!
Perhaps a better way to measure efficiency is to measure TIME, WATER , ELECTRICITY, CAPACITY and results. To use little water yet wash few things is not to my thinking any gain in efficiency. And one (I.e. governments and testing agencies) should perhaps add in the water needed to rinse manual-clean filters (American AND European) in the efficiency ratings.
I, for one, love European products in general. Adjusting to them and paying the ridiculous prices we are charged for them is another issue! LOL My biggest fantasy is to have a set consisting of of a Euro. Miele or Asko boil-washer and a condenser dryer. I nearly faint ever time Mike K (from the UK) posts his Maytag badged Askos! *LOL*
Thanks for the post Jon. Always good to see you posting.
Listen Euro-boys. I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to have a Bosch dishwasher. Pain-in-the-butt manual-clean filter and all. No one in North America ever said it cleans bad...actually I have heard "there is no better" in terms of cleaning and quiet.
My only issue with it is that it is hard to load BASED ON WHAT I AM USED TO. There are not enough rows of tines in the lower rack, to my taste. It appears to fit far fewer dishes and pieces of crockery than I have become accustomed to.
Please don't be insulted when we critique engineering and designs we are not used to. It is not intended as an insult, I'm sure!
Perhaps a better way to measure efficiency is to measure TIME, WATER , ELECTRICITY, CAPACITY and results. To use little water yet wash few things is not to my thinking any gain in efficiency. And one (I.e. governments and testing agencies) should perhaps add in the water needed to rinse manual-clean filters (American AND European) in the efficiency ratings.
I, for one, love European products in general. Adjusting to them and paying the ridiculous prices we are charged for them is another issue! LOL My biggest fantasy is to have a set consisting of of a Euro. Miele or Asko boil-washer and a condenser dryer. I nearly faint ever time Mike K (from the UK) posts his Maytag badged Askos! *LOL*
Thanks for the post Jon. Always good to see you posting.
whirlcool
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On Maytag dishwashers the Sanitize option just raises the final rinse to a high temp as noted above. We use it because we wash dog bowls along with our own and want to be sure they are sanitized.
Quote: I have that same Maytag design, and no way would it clean as well as yours. Those standing Pyrex casseroles and baking pan would have to lean in my machine. I have a similar cutting board, loaded just as yours, that emerged with tomato seeds stuck to the top. I use Heavy Wash with Hi-Temp option and Heated Dry, trying all brands of detergents.
The hot water (for the taps) in my apartment building is generated by a tankless coil in the STEAM boiler (the heating of apartments is done by steam), the tap water is PLENTY Hot.
I still have phosphate-laden DW detergent. The neighboring state of Connecticut still sells it (with phosphates) so I stocked-up recently.
I think that due to the level of grease and MUCK, I ran a "RINSE ONLY" with two full cups of detergent BEFORE running a regular cycle with the heated wash and a cool-dry.
Honestly the only thing these energy regulations has accomplished (in my mind) is to turn fully-automatic machines into semi-automatic ones in the sense that they need to be run through more than one cycle/programme to get acceptable results.
The hot water (for the taps) in my apartment building is generated by a tankless coil in the STEAM boiler (the heating of apartments is done by steam), the tap water is PLENTY Hot.
I still have phosphate-laden DW detergent. The neighboring state of Connecticut still sells it (with phosphates) so I stocked-up recently.
I think that due to the level of grease and MUCK, I ran a "RINSE ONLY" with two full cups of detergent BEFORE running a regular cycle with the heated wash and a cool-dry.
Honestly the only thing these energy regulations has accomplished (in my mind) is to turn fully-automatic machines into semi-automatic ones in the sense that they need to be run through more than one cycle/programme to get acceptable results.
oh Allen, my germ-freak mother would just DIE! When it is YOUR pet it's a totally different thing.
I look at it this way, there have probably been FAR dirtier things in my mouth. Say my fingers for instance. LOL undertakers say this is by FAR the dirtiest part of the body. ROFLMAO.
I look at it this way, there have probably been FAR dirtier things in my mouth. Say my fingers for instance. LOL undertakers say this is by FAR the dirtiest part of the body. ROFLMAO.
I must be blessed (in the house anyway) I'm on my third high-end Fridg DW and am very pleased. They all have run daily, no pre-rinsing and all cookware goes in and it all comes out great
George, I run Lemmeshine (can get it at WallyWorld) about every two to 3 months. it removes sludge build-up, calcium deposits, cleans out the machine. You may have a Whirlpool produced Maytag, the age of your machine puts it right about the time Maytag was switched to Whirlpool based dishwahers. My Kenmore Elite branded Kitchenaid gets filthy bobloads all the time. Everything emerges spotless 99% of the time.
Two threads about German BobLoads™
http://mielelover1.iphpbb3.com/foru...uelmaschinen-f11/der-bobload-thread-t889.html
http://mielelover1.iphpbb3.com/foru...ich-unseren-spueler-immer-einraeume-t233.html
This is what I mean by tilting items forward: I don't think these items would have come out clean had I loaded them sideways. I do that, sometimes, for lightly soiled stuff but everything that sat in the oven at 400F (like the stuff below) goes in facing the jets.
http://mielelover1.iphpbb3.com/foru...uelmaschinen-f11/der-bobload-thread-t889.html
http://mielelover1.iphpbb3.com/foru...ich-unseren-spueler-immer-einraeume-t233.html
This is what I mean by tilting items forward: I don't think these items would have come out clean had I loaded them sideways. I do that, sometimes, for lightly soiled stuff but everything that sat in the oven at 400F (like the stuff below) goes in facing the jets.
