paulc
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Thanks for the info, certain sounds like an interesting machine.
Top loader HE washer with agitator ...AND DRYER combo
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Considering that an ordinary top loader from Electrolux with no hot water costs generally 1200-1300 reais , I don't think that 3400 is just "a little more"!!
BTW , a Samsung or LG front loader washer/dryer costs 2100-2200 nowdays!
http://www.fastshop.com.br/LAVADORA-E-SECADORA-DE-ROUPA-85KG-SAMSUNG,product,SGWD8854RJF,202.aspx
BTW , a Samsung or LG front loader washer/dryer costs 2100-2200 nowdays!
http://www.fastshop.com.br/LAVADORA-E-SECADORA-DE-ROUPA-85KG-SAMSUNG,product,SGWD8854RJF,202.aspx
Everything at Fastshop is much more expensive than on any other store.
It's a premium store, with all the fancy stuff one would wait.
Also, it's a brand new model in Brazil it's too normal to put outrageous prices on new things. After a few months, the price decreases a lot.
The expected price for it is 1800 reais (900 dollars)
Considering the price of a dryer, for a consumer that would probably use it only a few times per year, it's a deal! (and won't waste more space than a standard top loader.
It's a premium store, with all the fancy stuff one would wait.
Also, it's a brand new model in Brazil it's too normal to put outrageous prices on new things. After a few months, the price decreases a lot.
The expected price for it is 1800 reais (900 dollars)
Considering the price of a dryer, for a consumer that would probably use it only a few times per year, it's a deal! (and won't waste more space than a standard top loader.
The 6 hour cycle caught my eye also. That might be a deal breaker.
THis cycle is ok with the habits here.
Most of the users start the washer at night and go to bed.
By the morning they hang the clothes to dry.
Instead of hanging and wait even more time to get the clothes ready, the load will be 100% dry by the morning.
And power consumption is almost irrelevant because it's balanced by the energy that won't be used as most of the clothes won't need to be ironed.
Most of the users start the washer at night and go to bed.
By the morning they hang the clothes to dry.
Instead of hanging and wait even more time to get the clothes ready, the load will be 100% dry by the morning.
And power consumption is almost irrelevant because it's balanced by the energy that won't be used as most of the clothes won't need to be ironed.
verizonbear
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Marketing to USA
I remember reading an interview with a Whirlpool marketing executive on why combos are not marketed in the US. She stated that market research shows the average turnaround time ( wash to dry completion ) that US consumers tolerate is 1 hour and 30 minutes. Now a 220 volt or Gas VENTED large capacity unit may be marketable if it had a 1000 or more RPM spin. I think combos are catching on, but it's more a a niche market than mainstream.
I remember reading an interview with a Whirlpool marketing executive on why combos are not marketed in the US. She stated that market research shows the average turnaround time ( wash to dry completion ) that US consumers tolerate is 1 hour and 30 minutes. Now a 220 volt or Gas VENTED large capacity unit may be marketable if it had a 1000 or more RPM spin. I think combos are catching on, but it's more a a niche market than mainstream.
Well, consumption and drying times is almost the same as in a standard front loader washer dryer.
The only difference is that it's a top loader with a center post agitator which brazilians love.
People won't need to switch to a front loader and "change habits" to enjoy the benefits of awasher/dryer combo.
Personally, i prefer front loaders, i love front laoders and I will always like them, but we have to do things thinking of consumers. That's what Electrolux's slogan says.
For the brazilian consumers that want an agitator washer, Electrolux has more than 10 completelly different models, each one with it's pros and cons. there are also front loader washers, front loader dryers, front loader washer/dryer combos and an impeller top loader. Now, it's simply one more option for our consumers to choose. And the whole range goes from the very cheap washer to the premium top loader W/D combo. A perfect match to each kind of consumer.
The only difference is that it's a top loader with a center post agitator which brazilians love.
People won't need to switch to a front loader and "change habits" to enjoy the benefits of awasher/dryer combo.
Personally, i prefer front loaders, i love front laoders and I will always like them, but we have to do things thinking of consumers. That's what Electrolux's slogan says.
For the brazilian consumers that want an agitator washer, Electrolux has more than 10 completelly different models, each one with it's pros and cons. there are also front loader washers, front loader dryers, front loader washer/dryer combos and an impeller top loader. Now, it's simply one more option for our consumers to choose. And the whole range goes from the very cheap washer to the premium top loader W/D combo. A perfect match to each kind of consumer.
mrb627
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Whirlpool Combo
I always thought that if Whirlpool built a Combo that was 30 - 36 inches wide, it would also be more stable during spinning. Perhaps dump the wash/rinse water to a holding tank in the base and only pump it out at the end of the cycle after the spin. The drum could be bigger too, allowing a full size load to be processed.
Malcolm
I always thought that if Whirlpool built a Combo that was 30 - 36 inches wide, it would also be more stable during spinning. Perhaps dump the wash/rinse water to a holding tank in the base and only pump it out at the end of the cycle after the spin. The drum could be bigger too, allowing a full size load to be processed.
Malcolm
Interesting John
That is awesome if WP is actually field testing WP Combo's. I bet they will be great and have many of the features as the original WP Combo's. One thing that comes to mind would be the constant spray during the wash and rinse.
Why have you not tried to get one of the combo's to field test for WP. I am sure that they know your input would be very valuable. It is not like you don't know how all of their current to very earliest machines work!
Brent
That is awesome if WP is actually field testing WP Combo's. I bet they will be great and have many of the features as the original WP Combo's. One thing that comes to mind would be the constant spray during the wash and rinse.
Why have you not tried to get one of the combo's to field test for WP. I am sure that they know your input would be very valuable. It is not like you don't know how all of their current to very earliest machines work!
Brent
Some More Questions
Thomas,
Thank you for the detailed explanations that you have given. There are a couple of questions that remain:
Is there a fan or blower that moves air in the tub to assist in drying, along with the movements of the agitators?
How quiet or noisy is the machine when it is running? This is a big concern for many of us if the machine is operating late at night for more than two or three hours.
Thanks again!
Thomas,
Thank you for the detailed explanations that you have given. There are a couple of questions that remain:
Is there a fan or blower that moves air in the tub to assist in drying, along with the movements of the agitators?
How quiet or noisy is the machine when it is running? This is a big concern for many of us if the machine is operating late at night for more than two or three hours.
Thanks again!
The machine has two blowers
one of them is heated and is what dryes the clothes.
the second is only for the "air blade" on the bottom of the tub. it gets the air from the tub (already hot)and make the clothes float.
The machine is as silent as a standard front loader washer/dryer, maybe a little bit more noisier due to the air flow on the exaust, but it's not annoying.
I can say it's even less noisier than a standard dryer, because there arent so many buttons, zippers and other hard surfaces surely banging on the drum on every tumble.
of course there are some of these noises, but much less as the whole load isn't tumbling 100% of the time.
one of them is heated and is what dryes the clothes.
the second is only for the "air blade" on the bottom of the tub. it gets the air from the tub (already hot)and make the clothes float.
The machine is as silent as a standard front loader washer/dryer, maybe a little bit more noisier due to the air flow on the exaust, but it's not annoying.
I can say it's even less noisier than a standard dryer, because there arent so many buttons, zippers and other hard surfaces surely banging on the drum on every tumble.
of course there are some of these noises, but much less as the whole load isn't tumbling 100% of the time.
And during the wash, the only noise one can hear is the water falling from the dispenser during the fill and the turbulence caused by the agitator.
During the spin, only the water from the clothes being sprayed on the tub and the pump cavitating (it turns on and off several times to reduce even more the noise).
During the ecorinse (spray sinse) it's obviously more noisier too because of the water falling straight on the clothes and spraying randomly almost everywhere
The motors can't be heared at all, even if you run it next to your ear and there's absolutelly no transmission. (one double motor for the two agitators) and other to spin), all of them direct drive.
The machine also has a balance sensor and uses the drying movements to balance the load during the spin if it's out of balance.
During the spin, only the water from the clothes being sprayed on the tub and the pump cavitating (it turns on and off several times to reduce even more the noise).
During the ecorinse (spray sinse) it's obviously more noisier too because of the water falling straight on the clothes and spraying randomly almost everywhere
The motors can't be heared at all, even if you run it next to your ear and there's absolutelly no transmission. (one double motor for the two agitators) and other to spin), all of them direct drive.
The machine also has a balance sensor and uses the drying movements to balance the load during the spin if it's out of balance.
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