Top loader HE washer with agitator ...AND DRYER combo

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Finally some news update, pictures and technical details.

1) the machine has two agitators to move the clothes.
2) the secondary agitator is also used to move the clothes during the wash, increasing A LOT the rollover action.
3) it can wash and dry the same amount of clothes. 12kg of dry clothes (7kg considering wet clothes)
more news at electrolux website. If you need some help translating, please ask me and I'll be glad to help.

 
Electrolux Washer-Dryer Combo

Thomas,

Thanks for the updated information! There are a couple of questions:

What is the listed price for this machine in Brazil?

Is the machine larger or wider in size than a typical top-loading washer?

Thanks again.
 
Lo and behold, I can read almost all of that (though I can't "speak" B. Portugese).

Still not clear how it 'tumbles' to dry. Can't just leave the ropas glommed up on the spin drum.
 
aribilab

looking pics 3 and 4 in the link it appears there are plastic paddles attached to the agitator going halfway up the side of the tub. Maybe these are used to move the laundry through the tub when drying?
 
T/L Combo

It still seems incredibly inefficient. Also, if the Electrolux/Frigidaire quality there is anything like here with the toploaders, I'd rather head off to the creek for laundry next week.

Still begs to differ... Why? a F/L would provide an easier alternative and have more capacity probably to boot, not to mention water savings. I like T/L machines, but I'm not sure how onboard I'd be with this.

An odd bird indeed...

-Tim
 
Price: I don't know the retail price yet. For me, it costs 400 reais (considering I can buy it straight from the factory using an employees only sales channel). Anyway, the retail price will be a little more expensive than a standard top loader washer but won't be as expensive as a front loader washer/dryer. Of course, the retail price will be much higher for the next months,as it's a state of the art machine.

Size: It's the average size for top loaders in brazil. The biggest drum available in Brazil washes up to 15.2 kg, according to ABNT standards. most of the machines are between 10 and 12 kg capacity.
By the way, I did a mistake above. The capacity is 12kg dry to wash and 12kg wet to dry (7kg dry to dry)

The experior size (footprint) of this machine is exactly the same as any ordinary top loader washer in Brazil.

How does it dry?
The machine has two agitators. The main agitator is like the one on any other top loader. the second agitator is around the main agitator and covers whe whole bottom of the machine. It has some low profile fins that "wipe" the drum.
Both agitators run during the wash and the drying cycle. During the wash, the second agitator helps increasing rollover, and during the drying, it helps moving the clothes using random movements of it, the first agitator and the drum, plus the air jets (strong blades of air) that make the clothes float.

The only SMALL chance to get clothes pancaked against the drum after the spin is if a too small (less than 1kg) load (and coincidently very small garments like socks only) is washed. In this case, the user has to release the clothes manually from the drum.

It doesn't remove wrinkles as well as a tumble dryer, but it also doesn't create creases or jams the clothes into a huge ball.

This machine also has the highest cleaning rate in Brazil, considering cold water washes. It has no internal heater and it's cold fill only.

As I said, it's a whole family of washers. (and will also be launched in the U.S., Canada and other countries, just like the whirlpool world washer.) Other versions will also be made. This one isn't HE yet. (it has the Wateraid drum, but more holes were made on it for this version) The HE version has the same drum with only a few holes and the wateraid recirculation system, that recovers the water from the gap between the drum and the tub.
Although, this version already has the ecorinse option (spin rinse that works)

Considering high end models from competitors, it's the "créme de la créme".

Whirlpool has the Brastemp Vantage. It's the same american Whirlpool vantage, but retail price is higher than 7 thousand american dollars, only the washer, plus more than 8 thousand dollars for the dryer. (The price is simply ridiculous and I don't think they will find any consumer stupid enough to pay the same as a brand new car for a washer and a dryer)

Lg top loader... I don't need to say anything about it... :(

Panasonic has aquabeat... same as LG... giant blender...

GE's best machine is a standard top loader made by Mabe. The same models available in Mexico, with minor differences.

.... and none of the machines above dry.

Drying times:

The machine can take almost 8 hours to finish the longest cycle (considering wash and dry) but the power consumption is very low. It won't be annoying if the user starts the washer at night. By the next morning, the clothes will be ready.

In hot cities like mine, the drying times can be much shorter (maybe more than 50% shorter)
 
All that said, the are some points that we have to note.

1) Consumers in Brazil don't use dryers. Only a very small (almost insignificant) number of consumers have dryers at home. and if we consider only thos ewho have adryer, more than 90% never uses it, except if they really need to dry something in a hurry and it's raining.

2) Front loader technology: Consumers in Brazil still afraid of front loaders. The most dumb talks are that they leak water, one can't open the door after it fills,it won't clean, it won't rinse, and some traditions are difficult to change. "my grandmother had a top loader, my mother had a top loader, i MUST have a top loader, blah, blah, blah.

3) Nowadays, it's more than normal to see consumers starting the machine at night and hanging the laundry by the morning. This washer/dryer is attractive because it costs only a little bit more than a washer, with the vantage of drying. Power consumption is VERY LOW. One would start to set it to dry everything without being too worried about the electricity bill.
Also, it will affect positively the time. While one would hang the clothes by the morning to dry and wait even more before ironing or folding, with this machine the clothes would be ready to iron or to fold by the morning.

It doesn't take 6 or 7 hours to dry! This time is considering the whole cycle. Cycles in Brazil are much longer than standard american top loaders as all of the cycles use lots of soaking time. Some cycles can take more than 2 hours only to wash. Doing the same in a front loader washer/dryer would take the same time, plus spend lots of energy and even more water (condenser)

And finally, as I said before, some asian machines only blows cold air on clothes. The cycle would also take the whole night too, but it only reduces the drying time after the clothes are hanged or dried in the dryer. This is the first machine IN THE WORLD that really dryes the load.
 
Everything at Fastshop is much more expensive than on any other store.

It's a premium store, with all the fancy stuff one would wait.

Also, it's a brand new model in Brazil it's too normal to put outrageous prices on new things. After a few months, the price decreases a lot.

The expected price for it is 1800 reais (900 dollars)

Considering the price of a dryer, for a consumer that would probably use it only a few times per year, it's a deal! (and won't waste more space than a standard top loader.
 
THis cycle is ok with the habits here.
Most of the users start the washer at night and go to bed.
By the morning they hang the clothes to dry.

Instead of hanging and wait even more time to get the clothes ready, the load will be 100% dry by the morning.

And power consumption is almost irrelevant because it's balanced by the energy that won't be used as most of the clothes won't need to be ironed.
 
Marketing to USA

I remember reading an interview with a Whirlpool marketing executive on why combos are not marketed in the US. She stated that market research shows the average turnaround time ( wash to dry completion ) that US consumers tolerate is 1 hour and 30 minutes. Now a 220 volt or Gas VENTED large capacity unit may be marketable if it had a 1000 or more RPM spin. I think combos are catching on, but it's more a a niche market than mainstream.
 
Well, consumption and drying times is almost the same as in a standard front loader washer dryer.

The only difference is that it's a top loader with a center post agitator which brazilians love.

People won't need to switch to a front loader and "change habits" to enjoy the benefits of awasher/dryer combo.

Personally, i prefer front loaders, i love front laoders and I will always like them, but we have to do things thinking of consumers. That's what Electrolux's slogan says.
For the brazilian consumers that want an agitator washer, Electrolux has more than 10 completelly different models, each one with it's pros and cons. there are also front loader washers, front loader dryers, front loader washer/dryer combos and an impeller top loader. Now, it's simply one more option for our consumers to choose. And the whole range goes from the very cheap washer to the premium top loader W/D combo. A perfect match to each kind of consumer.
 
Whirlpool Combo

I always thought that if Whirlpool built a Combo that was 30 - 36 inches wide, it would also be more stable during spinning. Perhaps dump the wash/rinse water to a holding tank in the base and only pump it out at the end of the cycle after the spin. The drum could be bigger too, allowing a full size load to be processed.

Malcolm
 
Interesting John

That is awesome if WP is actually field testing WP Combo's. I bet they will be great and have many of the features as the original WP Combo's. One thing that comes to mind would be the constant spray during the wash and rinse.
Why have you not tried to get one of the combo's to field test for WP. I am sure that they know your input would be very valuable. It is not like you don't know how all of their current to very earliest machines work!
Brent
 

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