Top loader HE washer with agitator ...AND DRYER combo

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Guys, I've been waiting to tell this news since about 1 year ago but I had to keep my mouth shut.

Now it's official. Last Friday Electrolux launched their brand new washer/dryer combo here in Brazil.

Now some things that will make you curious about it.

1) it's a washer/dryer combo (not a stacked dryer) the clothes dry in the same drum.
2) High efficiency, but with an agitator (it means WATER AND DECENT RINSES!)
3) The drying is not condensed, but exausted. Perfect for those who don't need condenser dryers. (and it dries fast)
4) MUCH cheaper than Whirlpool Vantage, Cabrio, LG TUrbodrum, Panasonic Acquabeat, etc... AND IT REALLY DRIES)
5) 100% designed and produced in Brazil. (The Wateraid HE technology was launched in Australia years ago for marketing tests and it worked ok)
6) Probably, this will be the only agitator washer that will be on the american market in a few years.
7) It can be used like any other standard top loader, no need to worry about HE detergents or door seals/smells or clothes being shreded by washers that look like a giant blender.
8) the tub is HUGE! (Much bigger than Cabrio or standard Whirlpool or GE)
9) One of the versions (TOL) will have an internal tank to save water (Suds saver) and will be useful to make the machine much heavier for the ultra high spin speed. Up to now, it's the fastest spin ever used in a top loader, and being much heavier than a Frigidaire Unimatic, it will NEVER jump or walk.

Finally, It's going to be launched SOON in the U.S.

More news at www.electrolux.com.br as soon as they update the website with the new family of top loader washers.
As soon as i get authorization to post pictures from it, I'll do it. Otherwise I'll post only website pictures when the machine appears there (before the end of this week)

http://www.electrolux.com.br
 
NEW FRIGADARE WASHER-DRYER COMBO

I can't wait to see details, won't it be ironic if Frigidare is the company to reintroduce Americans to combs as they were one major company that didn't make them when they were owned by GMs. I have heard from a reliable source that WP is field testing combination washers dryers here in the US.

 

I have long thought that real full sized combos would be a reality again in my life time. And with the recent popularity of FL washers I figured that the time was about here. Just think this may even solve the moldy washer problem. LOL
 
WASHER-DRYER COMBO

John I hope you are right. I just hope it will have quality behind it and not be a piece of trash like that LG I had!
On the WP FL washers they have a 4 to 6 hour tumble option after the wash - so if the machines are just tumbling I wonder why they cant dry especially being a lot already have heaters in them!
Peter
 
If I'm not mistaken also in Japan there are top loading vertical axis washer-dryer combos.
Will be this Brasilian Electrolux like the Japanese combos?

Ingemar
 
Wait a tick. This is an upright, agitator, top loading washer that also DRIES in the same tub? How the bejeebers does THAT work? I mean, I'm picturing the laundry pasted up against the tub from spin, then dried in that position. IOW, how does an upright tumble?
 
Combo!

I would really think that it would work like a fisher pakel top load dryer - still tumbles but you open from the top. Personally I would perfer a regular FL with window type washer / dryer.
If indeed whirlpool and frigidaire are working on something they will probably just export something from Europe and change the name. On the web you do see those TL type combos. I hope I am wrong and it is a regular FL combo!
 
TL Combo!

I remember maybe about 2 years ago we had a patent of the day GM Frigidaire type TL combo proto type design that was posted. Of course it was never made but it would have been interesting to see how it worked. It was TL but I think as I remember the tub was somewhat slanted. Does anyone remember this patent? I think it was from the early 60s.
 
A Japanese vertical axis pulsator top loading washer-dryer.

From what I have understood this is a hang to dry system, but I'm not quite sure because on the internet page you can see the 9.0 KG vs. 4.5 KG sign which I presume it is the washing and drying capacity. So the hang to dry system majbe can be an option. But still I dont understand how a top loader can dry the load (or half the load) without wrinkling and creasing the clothes.

http://www.sharp.co.jp/sentaku/product/tx910/
gorenje++10-24-2011-15-43-11.jpg
 
Ingemar

Thanks for posting that link, tried the translate function on google but the english made little sense! Am really curious to know how these machines dry a load without creasing to.
 
Equator!

This is a picture of the washer / dryer I had. Actually mine was almost the same except I had the series before with 5 water temps. (you know energy savings) - it used a ton of water and washed quickly and clean. The drying wasent great with the 110V but I lived with it. I am so sorry I gave it up for that horrible LG. We really didnt know how good we had it.
Peter

peteski50++10-24-2011-21-36-46.jpg
 
Well Pete,

That model (EZ3200) was made in Italy by Philco of Italy.. The current ones, since 2001, have been made in China and are horrific.The so called top loading combo was a major disaster.They couldn't get the "bugs" out of the electronic control board and couldn't even get it to run in the shop there.Equator's headquarters has relocated and are now in California.
 
splendide

the equator pictured by peteski50 is almost an exact twin to my 2002 splendide
combomatic 6100E-only difference is my splendide has a chrome door surround,
everything else is exactly the same as the equator!
This is a little 24",115v,combo with water cooled condenser dryer action.
It's my small loads daily driver and is an effective washer-dryer mode is less
effective but gets the job done given enough time...about 2hrs
 
Finally some news update, pictures and technical details.

1) the machine has two agitators to move the clothes.
2) the secondary agitator is also used to move the clothes during the wash, increasing A LOT the rollover action.
3) it can wash and dry the same amount of clothes. 12kg of dry clothes (7kg considering wet clothes)
more news at electrolux website. If you need some help translating, please ask me and I'll be glad to help.

http://www.electrolux.com.br/produt...e-secadora-intelligent-sensor-12kg-lst12.aspx
 
Electrolux Washer-Dryer Combo

Thomas,

Thanks for the updated information! There are a couple of questions:

What is the listed price for this machine in Brazil?

Is the machine larger or wider in size than a typical top-loading washer?

Thanks again.
 
Lo and behold, I can read almost all of that (though I can't "speak" B. Portugese).

Still not clear how it 'tumbles' to dry. Can't just leave the ropas glommed up on the spin drum.
 
aribilab

looking pics 3 and 4 in the link it appears there are plastic paddles attached to the agitator going halfway up the side of the tub. Maybe these are used to move the laundry through the tub when drying?
 
T/L Combo

It still seems incredibly inefficient. Also, if the Electrolux/Frigidaire quality there is anything like here with the toploaders, I'd rather head off to the creek for laundry next week.

Still begs to differ... Why? a F/L would provide an easier alternative and have more capacity probably to boot, not to mention water savings. I like T/L machines, but I'm not sure how onboard I'd be with this.

An odd bird indeed...

-Tim
 
Price: I don't know the retail price yet. For me, it costs 400 reais (considering I can buy it straight from the factory using an employees only sales channel). Anyway, the retail price will be a little more expensive than a standard top loader washer but won't be as expensive as a front loader washer/dryer. Of course, the retail price will be much higher for the next months,as it's a state of the art machine.

Size: It's the average size for top loaders in brazil. The biggest drum available in Brazil washes up to 15.2 kg, according to ABNT standards. most of the machines are between 10 and 12 kg capacity.
By the way, I did a mistake above. The capacity is 12kg dry to wash and 12kg wet to dry (7kg dry to dry)

The experior size (footprint) of this machine is exactly the same as any ordinary top loader washer in Brazil.

How does it dry?
The machine has two agitators. The main agitator is like the one on any other top loader. the second agitator is around the main agitator and covers whe whole bottom of the machine. It has some low profile fins that "wipe" the drum.
Both agitators run during the wash and the drying cycle. During the wash, the second agitator helps increasing rollover, and during the drying, it helps moving the clothes using random movements of it, the first agitator and the drum, plus the air jets (strong blades of air) that make the clothes float.

The only SMALL chance to get clothes pancaked against the drum after the spin is if a too small (less than 1kg) load (and coincidently very small garments like socks only) is washed. In this case, the user has to release the clothes manually from the drum.

It doesn't remove wrinkles as well as a tumble dryer, but it also doesn't create creases or jams the clothes into a huge ball.

This machine also has the highest cleaning rate in Brazil, considering cold water washes. It has no internal heater and it's cold fill only.

As I said, it's a whole family of washers. (and will also be launched in the U.S., Canada and other countries, just like the whirlpool world washer.) Other versions will also be made. This one isn't HE yet. (it has the Wateraid drum, but more holes were made on it for this version) The HE version has the same drum with only a few holes and the wateraid recirculation system, that recovers the water from the gap between the drum and the tub.
Although, this version already has the ecorinse option (spin rinse that works)

Considering high end models from competitors, it's the "créme de la créme".

Whirlpool has the Brastemp Vantage. It's the same american Whirlpool vantage, but retail price is higher than 7 thousand american dollars, only the washer, plus more than 8 thousand dollars for the dryer. (The price is simply ridiculous and I don't think they will find any consumer stupid enough to pay the same as a brand new car for a washer and a dryer)

Lg top loader... I don't need to say anything about it... :(

Panasonic has aquabeat... same as LG... giant blender...

GE's best machine is a standard top loader made by Mabe. The same models available in Mexico, with minor differences.

.... and none of the machines above dry.

Drying times:

The machine can take almost 8 hours to finish the longest cycle (considering wash and dry) but the power consumption is very low. It won't be annoying if the user starts the washer at night. By the next morning, the clothes will be ready.

In hot cities like mine, the drying times can be much shorter (maybe more than 50% shorter)
 
All that said, the are some points that we have to note.

1) Consumers in Brazil don't use dryers. Only a very small (almost insignificant) number of consumers have dryers at home. and if we consider only thos ewho have adryer, more than 90% never uses it, except if they really need to dry something in a hurry and it's raining.

2) Front loader technology: Consumers in Brazil still afraid of front loaders. The most dumb talks are that they leak water, one can't open the door after it fills,it won't clean, it won't rinse, and some traditions are difficult to change. "my grandmother had a top loader, my mother had a top loader, i MUST have a top loader, blah, blah, blah.

3) Nowadays, it's more than normal to see consumers starting the machine at night and hanging the laundry by the morning. This washer/dryer is attractive because it costs only a little bit more than a washer, with the vantage of drying. Power consumption is VERY LOW. One would start to set it to dry everything without being too worried about the electricity bill.
Also, it will affect positively the time. While one would hang the clothes by the morning to dry and wait even more before ironing or folding, with this machine the clothes would be ready to iron or to fold by the morning.

It doesn't take 6 or 7 hours to dry! This time is considering the whole cycle. Cycles in Brazil are much longer than standard american top loaders as all of the cycles use lots of soaking time. Some cycles can take more than 2 hours only to wash. Doing the same in a front loader washer/dryer would take the same time, plus spend lots of energy and even more water (condenser)

And finally, as I said before, some asian machines only blows cold air on clothes. The cycle would also take the whole night too, but it only reduces the drying time after the clothes are hanged or dried in the dryer. This is the first machine IN THE WORLD that really dryes the load.
 

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