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That's right, it was the Turboglide. I think it was similar in design to the Dynaflow and Flightpitch Dynaflow transmissions. The Dynaflow had the P-N-D-L-R shift sequence like the old Hydra Matics but the Flightpitch had a P-R-N-D-G, ("G" instead of "L" or "S" and the reverse between the "P" and "N")... Both Pontiac and Olds used the "S" and "L" many years while Buick used either "L" or "L2" and "L1" for the low gears.

G was for grade retard. The regular Dynaflow had two ranges but it didn't shift by itself. If you wanted to accelerate fast, you had to manually shift it to "L" to get more performance. The GR on the Flightpitch and the Turboglide was just to be used to slow the vehicle. Unlike the Hydramatics with their simple fluid couplings (some had two) and more speeds, the Buick transmissions had complicated torque converters and didn't change gears (they were a kind of CVT transmission). The new Turbo Hydra Matic / Super Turbine transmissions for 1964 incorporated both the torque converter and the gear changes... They are very strong transmissions and they are also easier to service. Those with the variable pitch stators are really good transmissions.

About 1963 Canadian cars, I have seen this interesting ad on Kijiji. I have seen 1964 Wildcat 4 door sedans with similar Electra 225 trim built here but this car is a 1963 and it's probably unique... The ad says it's a LeSabre but the car has some Wildcat exterior trim, no emblems and Electra 225 interior trim.[this post was last edited: 5/4/2012-16:09]

http://montreal.kijiji.ca/c-autos-e...uick-LeSabre-Special-Sedan-W0QQAdIdZ375436020
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Interesting LeSabre.  The ad says it was custom built, so they could have very well pulled parts from all Buick models.  I much prefer the body of the 1963 Buick to those of the 1964 Buick; especially the Wildcat 4-door hardtop.

 

Regarding the Hydramatic transmission - the sequence was N-D-S-L-R.  No park.  "Park" was added in 1956 with the Jetaway Hydramatic.  Until then, the car was started in Neutral and to park the car you were instructed to shut off the engine in Drive, pull the transmission selector down into Reverse, and set the hand brake.

 

Lawrence
 
I didn't know that older Hydra-Matics didn't have a Park! The only car I have driven with an Hydra-Matic was a friend's '59 Cadillac, and these do not have the "S". If I remember well, they have P N .DRIVE. L R or something like that.

Here's a Canadian 1964 Buick Wildcat 4 door sedan in a junkyard. Similar to the '63 above.



 
Digging way back in the brain, I think you also could push start the early hydros. I sort of remember reading dear Aunt's 54 Caddy manual that gave instruction. Get up to speed, key on, drop into low? It was fun watching all 5' nothing of her pilot that behemoth around Coral Gables.
And speaking from experience one did not want to pull a Powerglide out of park with the engine off and have any hope of getting it back in!
 
That '61 Olds . . .

Such a nice year at Oldsmobile, especially after the studied garishness of the '58-'60 models. It's a shame most of them have disappeared from the road. '62 is really nice as well.
 
Buick and the CVT . . .

There is a reason Buick went their own way with automatic transmissions for so many years. Back in the '30s many attempts were made to provide some form of automation for shifting using a variety of methods: vacuum shift assists, pre-selectors where one selected the next gear using a tiny lever and the gearbox would then change to it when the clutch was pushed, etc. At GM Cadillac and Oldsmobile were the lead divisions for what became the Hydramatic. GM had pioneered the synchronized manual transmission starting in the late '20s but saw the need to move beyond that. As a part of this program experiments were going on with both automatic shifting planetary transmissions and fluid couplings. The Ford Model T had used a manual planetary transmission with two speeds controlled by a foot pedal so all the engineers would have been familiar with the concept; one of the advantages of a planetary gearbox is that it can be shifted under load without a separate clutch. Fluid couplings were also being studied, these allow a car to remain in gear and idling at a full stop and also can smooth out rough shifts. Daimler in England used fluid couplings (they called it the "fluid flywheel") with their manual transmissions for many years in the pre-war era as the coupling made it very easy to drive smoothly, a nice feature on the large luxury cars they specialized in. The first GM automatic was introduced by Olds in '37 using the automatic planetary gearbox but a conventional clutch, which meant the driver still had to de-clutch to stop, and the shifts could be rough. For the first Hydramatic they combined the fluid coupling with the planetary gearbox, which allowed the elimination of the clutch pedal and gave very smooth shifts. It was the first successful true automatic transmission, introduced for the 1940 model year.

 

Buick had a program of its' own in the thirties to develop a CVT, or continuously variable transmission that would seamlessly shift from a low ratio to a high ratio. They were using a toric drive system, basically like two dinner plates held at right angles to one another. One plate was hooked the engine, the other to the drive wheels. By varying the relative position of the plates the gear ratio could be seamlessly changed; there was no actual shifting of gears. The concept was brilliant, but they couldn't find friction materials robust enough to make the system reliable and durable. Once it became obvious that the Hydramatic was both reliable and durable GM management ordered Buick to stop spending money on the toric CVT. For a very short while right before WWII Buick therefore offered the Hydramatic, though this was after Olds did so.

 

An important part of this situation is that while Oldsmobile and Cadillac frequently worked together on projects, Buick saw them both as enemies. Buick fit into the narrow band between Olds and Cadillac, and a well optioned TOL Buick was often more money than a lower end Cadillac. Even the King of England, Edward VIII, had a Buick - that was the car he and "Mrs. Simpson" used when they left England for France immediately after he abdicated the throne to marry her. Technically, that car was a Canadian built Buick and thus a product of the British Empire. Buick also had a loyal customer base who could have afforded Cadillacs but felt them too flashy. As a result of their reputation Buick did not like to be seen following in the footsteps of Olds and Cadillac, not one little bit.

 

During and right after WWII Buick's transmission department was busy creating a new automatic that had to have three virtues: it had to be very, very smooth and thus more luxurious than Hydramatic, it had to be reliable, and it had to have no connection with the Hydramatic Division of GM. Their solution was to use a very simple two speed planetary gearbox that did not shift for itself combined with a fairly sophisticated torque converter, which is itself a more advanced form of fluid coupling. In operation it was the opposite of Hydramatic: Hydramatic relied on four gears to provide the right ratio for conditions and the fluid coupling did little other than add some smoothness and let the car sit still while idling, while Dynaflow didn't shift gears at all during normal operation but relied on the torque converter to vary the theoretical gear ratio. Thus the Dynaflow was a sort of CVT, since gears didn't shift there were no shifts to be felt. In practice it worked well enough, certainly the smoothest automatic on the market. However, it was very inefficient which caused big Buicks to generally be considered inferior at acceleration to Oldsmobiles or Cadillacs. Buick refined and significantly improved the Dynaflow through the early '60s, but like the toric drive CVT it was ultimately a dead end. When GM introduced the Turbo-Hydramatic Buick finally gave up on Dynaflow, but in compensation the Turbo-Hydramatic did have a torque converter instead of the old fluid coupling, and some versions clearly took advantage of Buick's expertise in torque converters. Buick did however refuse to use any form of the name "Hydramatic" for many years and took to calling all of their automatics "Super Turbine" followed by a number.

 

Chevy also did their own thing with automatics, in their case they wanted something cheaper than the Hydramatic. Introduced in '50, that was the two-speed Powerglide. It was cheap and reliable, although by the late '50s Chevy felt the need for something more sophisticated for their upper line models. They solved that problem with the Turboglide, their version of the Flight-Pitch Dynaflow. Most Chevy customers preferred the Powerglide as it was much cheaper, and many of the cars that were equipped with Turboglide were converted to Powerglide if the Turboglide ever failed as it was expensive to repair. For these reasons, very few Turboglides exist today. 

 

 

 
 
The semi-automatic "self shifter" (or AST) transmission that Olds used in 1937-39 was made by Buick and sold to Olds. It wasn't developed by Buick and Buick didn't initially want to use it on it's own cars but it did use it one year only on it's series 40 (in 1938). Buick stopped using it after that because it wasn't smooth and Buick's torque tube didn't help to hide it's roughness... Olds used it one more year in 1939 and it was discontinued after.

As far as I know, Buick never used the Hydra-Matic except maybe on a few prototypes but Cadillac and Olds briefly used Dynaflow transmissions in most of their cars in the 1953 when the Hydra-Matic plant burned.
 
I had a 1961 Buick Invicta Custom 4-door hardtop that had the smoothest automatic transmission I've ever known.  It might have not burned the tires at take off, but I didn't care and I suspect people who bought Buicks didn't care either.  That was one sweet ride!  Mine was like the one in this ad but had a silver exterior with a black interior (full leather seating - not vinyl).

 

L

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-BUICK-...645?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d33327a45
 
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RickR,
Love your Olds! It reminded me of so many things. The tri-color ribbon speedometer, the adjustable speed reminder. (used to piss dear old Dad off if I set it and he didn't notice it till he fired the Rocket V8 up and the buzzer scared shit out of him). The "COLD" light. The flashing parking brake reminder. The separate AC/HEAT controls, real power antennas, signal seeking radios with foot control, auto dim high beams, and the early cruise controls! I have memories of humorous stories (to me anyway) and more trips to the Olds dealer. Wait, the 'resonators' that were behind the mufflers to make the big V8s sound deep and throaty but not upset the country club set.
 
RickR,

 

That's a mighty fine looking Super 88!  What's the story behind it?  Are you able to get it out and drive it often?

 

My Invicta - I bought it in 1978 from Don Drennen Buick in Birmingham, where it had been traded in by it's original owner for a new buick.  The car had 69k miles on it and with the exception of nicotine from the woman's smoking, was in great shape.  It had the Wildcat 445 engine, auto trans, power steering, power brakes, power windows, 6-way power seat, power antenna, factory a/c, and fold-down arm rests in both front and back.  One of the greatest features of Buicks of that era was the ability to put heat in the back seat.  I don't know how it worked, but I know it did work well.

 

L
 
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Thanks for the nice comments guys! I really like the "rocket" styling of the late 50's/early 60's full size cars.
My grandmother bought the 61 Olds new, and it was a special order car. She got it Dec. 27th 1960. I got the car when she died in 1978. I drive it often as weather permits. In the 1980's I drove it to California four times. The only trouble I ever had on a long trip was a wheel bearing failure. Fuel is too costly to use this car for a long trip today, otherwise I would not be afraid to trust it on a 2500 mile trip.

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1961 - GM

I've always felt like for 1961 the designers at GM threw caution to the wind.  They really seemed to be daring in their designs and be rather unconventional - not always successfully, either.  1962 definitely showed some retraint by comparison.  It was almost like they said "hmmm... maybe we went a little too far with that".

 

Regardless, I remain fully convinced that the 1961-1964 GM products were some of the nicest-looking cars out there.  And without exception my favorite body style is the 4-door hardtop.  Excellent proportions!

 

L
 
Once the big fins were gone the early 60's cars as a whole were nice looking. I had a 63 Rambler wagon as my first car, nothing nice to say about it, it got me around until the motor pooched at 70K. But still thought the GM cars were so much better looking and tended to stand up better in this nasty winter weather with all the salt and crap that we get here, even though my great uncle owned the local Ford dealership. My absolute favorite was my sisters 64 Olds 98 LS. That was a dream to drive, first one with factory A/C and 8 track stereo I had experienced.
 
If it was a '64 then the 8-track unit wasn't factory installed. 8-track prototypes were introduced to the public about that time but it wasn't until '66 that any were offered from the factory, with Ford being the first.

 

When I was a kid my mother's best friend went from a '63 Impala two door hardtop to a '65 98 four door hardtop. She had owned a '57 98 convertible before the Impala which I remember only vaguely. The great thing about the 98 four door was that my mother and her friend could sit in the front seat while her two sons, my sister and I could all easily fit in that enormous back seat with room left over. All before seat belts of course!
 
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