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This tell all about the test kits

and they sell them too. Only $13.00

 
Dan, that is after the water runs through the R.O. plant. But water is precious here(I live in the desert near Mexico)it does eat plumbing, fixtures, etc. At least the city sends the state required notice of whats in the water. I couldn't imagine the water before the R.O. plant was built(I think it was twenty years ago).
 
Many thanks for all the good info! We were definitely using too much, and will scale back how much extra we put into the final rinse.

Also thinking about reformulating the powdered soap mix. We've experimented with different proportions of Fels/Washing Soda/Borax/STPP, and have probably been using too much there as well. Thinking of trying 1 bar Fels to 1 cup each of the soda/borax and 1/2 cup of the STPP. We found a cheap food processor in a thrift store (six bucks!) and its only job is "laundry soap making"...it stays with the laundry supplies...much better than using my Cuisinart!

And we've had good luck ordering from this eBay seller, for those who do eBay...she's prompt and ships Priority Mail...saves us a few bucks in the end:

 
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works wonders!!!

This stuff works great! I received this stuff today. I put in the compartment in the front loader and it's done. Now all I half-to do is try it in the dishwasher.
 
When Using Soap For Laundry

It is best to follow old school laundry advice to deal with hard water.

Add whatever one is going to use to soften water first, let the machine run a bit, then add soap, or soap based detergent mixture.

In the case of STPP, better to let the phosphates go to work binding hard water minerals and such before adding soap so latter can be fully used as "detergent", rather than also working to soften water.
 
The glass are coming out still a little "milky looking". The dishes are coming out a lot cleaner. The only thing that helps with that is stuff called "The Works". I use a little bit at the start of the first cycle. I was hoping to replace it with stpp. I put the finish tab in and fill the rest of the dispenser with stpp.
 
Cloudy Glassware In The Dishwasher

Has two main causes,one can be reversed, the other cannot.

First cause is mineral deposits due to hard water. This sort of film is easier to prevent and remove. The second is called "etching", and once begins is permanent.

To test for the former, take a "cloudy" glass and put it to soak in undiluted white vinegar for five minutes. After the alloted time, remove the glass and wipe dry.If the cloudy residue is gone, then your problem is due to mineral hardness in the water, and you will have to make the proper adjustments. In this case it is important to adjust the amount of dishwasher detergent used in ratio to water hardness.

If the film is not removed by the above test, then you have what is called etching, and this is harder to prevent. Normally etching is caused by too much detergent, in too soft water and dishes washed at too low temperature.

Basically what is happening is the glass is slowly being worn away/reacting to the alkaline substances in the wash and rinse waters. Adding more STPP is not always the solution as most automatic dishwasher detergents contain STPP to begin with. Adding more packaged water softener,while not adjusting the detergent dose, leaves excess STPP/alkaline levels with nothing to work on, so it goes to work on your glassware.

Check your dishwasher's owner's manual for information on how to deal with etching, if indeed this is the case. Or, read up on the Internet for solutions.

Long story short: if the cloudy glassware is caused by mineral deposits, then deal with water hardness,or use a product such as "Glass Magic" along with your dishwasher detergent. However if the cause is due to etching, it may harder to prevent.

L.
 
I used lime-away and the glasses are gleaming. I have used glass magic before and it works OK, it is like using the stpp. With using stpp there is no sediment inside the glasses, so it makes the detergent work a lot better, but does not completely solve the hard water problem. I do use jet dry at the max setting. Also the restaurants in town don't have slightly cloudy glasses also, it's not just me.
 
Lime Away

Is a mild acid, therefore if it is removing the "cloudyness" from your glassware, you have a problem with hard water deposits (minerals). Since the restaurants in town have the same problem, all signs point to local hard water.

Problem with hard water in dishwashers is you need to have treated water for all cycles, IIRC. Even if adding STPP or something to the wash cycles, the rinse or rinses are using untreated water (hard water), which can leave a film that will dry onto your dishes.

You may wish to look into a whole house water softening system.

L.
 

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