uhm.....i dont know what to do

[davy1063]

Also, like you said in your 3rd post.....

You have your dignity. There was a M*A*S*H episode (one of my favorite shows) where Col. Potter says to a young soldier: "Son, the only thing a man has to call his own is his Dignity, once he sells that out, he has nothing."

Dave

 

[jeffg]

Fred, go up to the guy and tell him you've accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior. Then say, "Jesus told me to become friends with you, no matter what the cost. Can I?"

It'll be a major mind fuck for him. If he accepts your offer, you'll have a new friend, and if he doesn't accept, he'll think he's fighting against Jesus Christ.

 

[fredfred9633]

aw but see mr. jeffg
i dont mean to screw up you advice and its good advice might i add. (let it be know i have accepted jusus christ into my heart)
but then when ever i would see him he would call me a pu*sy.
then i might be the one to throw the first punch

 

[jeffg]

> but then when ever i would see him he would call me a pu*sy.

Don't assume that. I took down our school's biggest bully this way. A month later he was beating *other* people up who threatened me.

 

[iheartmaytag]

Give him what he's asking for, BUT. . .

Tell him you want the Gym teacher to referee, you will meet him in the ring and it will be a fair fight. Box it out like Fraiser V. Ali.

By having the teacher present he will stop it before anything bad happens and it will keep you from being suspended. If the Gym teacher won't sanction this get together, then invite him to a local gym where there are other adults that will oversee.

He wants and ass-whoopin, give it to him without stooping.

 

[toggleswitch2]

"I may be a PU**Y, but you'll never F*** me."

BAM. Right to the moon Alice.

If you are ever really trapped and they call you gay..all you have to do is say

"Oh baby you are so right.... and we all have AIDS... now come over here and let me get some spit on it and bite you."

See how fast a bully can run with his little tail (LOL) between his legs.

 

[jasonl]

I have very little advice to offer here but...

Kudos for your faith!

and

I was picked on and teased and made fun of at school because of the way I looked and being that I wasn't very strong either, I took a different approach, RUN! It didn't help much except to get out of the situation. It's not a great strategy but it was all I could do.

Telling the teacher and ratting him out won't do a thing and it will only fuel the fire.

 

[panthera]

Jason

I agree that telling a teacher won't stop the bully from being a bully. Unfortunately, things in American schools have changed radically in the last few years.
Unless a student can present a very strong chain of evidence that he tried to avoid a fight, did not start it and was being harassed for sometime before it broke out, he will get into at least as much trouble as the asshole who starts it.
More, probably, if he is gay and the jerk who is bullying him belongs to a protected class.
Back in the day, these things were handled by the school personnel themselves. Today, we have a situation where six year olds are hauled away in handcuffs, the police are called and mandatory criminal charges filed when first grade boys say something to a girl which, when said by an adult might, possibly, perhaps, under certain circumstances be seen as sexually discriminatory...
Unless you teach or have just graduated, you have no idea how things have changed the last several years.
I'm preparing to return to the US and am working to renew my American teaching license. The political correctness bullshit and the discrimination against gay students leaves me speechless.
And we all know how unusual that is.
Nope, talking to a teacher or a counselor won't do diddly squat about the jerk, but it might well keep Fred out of real trouble and a juvenile 'justice' record.
On a side note, we had a problem with young Turkish men (a group with many 'issues', including a hatred for gays). In groups of five or six, they were ganging up on single, obviously gay men in the gay triangle in Munich. Since the police weren't reacting fast enough and the politically correct Greens running the city's responsible departments felt we 'gays' were not showing understanding for their cultural differences, several folks here banded together and, for a few months made a point of showing these young Turks the special care and attention they obviously needed. Took awhile, but today, over twenty years later, peace still reigns around Sendlinger Tor. Wish we could get a few of those gals together and send them over to help Fred...

 

[toggleswitch2]

Sin maneras, sin classe, sin virguenca.

Cultural differences?

Oh how ripe and tired that sh*t is.

The rules of the land and of society apply to EVERYONE. One does not get excused because or their subculture's twisted way of thinking or the rules "back-home"

If you'z a violent narrow-minded uneducated hate-spewing violent trouble-making hoodlum that refuses to assimilate into the (productive) larger society, you deserve what you get. And good for the locals that formed an anti-harassment gang.

Sad that some animals have to be beaten to learn.

RANT OVER.

 

[panthera]

Why, Steve,

that is just exactly the way I feel about it! And, pretty much, all of Western Europe in the meantime.
We tried the whole tolerance of other cultures thing-y. You know, while European women were deciding for themselves when and whether to marry (and whom, a minor affair, to be sure) Turkish girls were being beaten, raped and murdered in increasing numbers for not doing what their fathers and brothers told them to do.
While gays and lesbians were being granted human status and full civil rights, the Islamic world was busing hanging boyfriends in front of each other, castrating men, forcibly raping women...and a significant part of the immigrant community here took the same approach as many Christians in America have towards the christianists: They're just a small minority, not really important. Until they started beating up and stabbing gays in Amsterdam...
Except for the US, all of Western Culture is now united on the question of human rights for us as homosexuals. We can not, we must not permit those ethnic and religious minorities whose traditions permit violence against women and towards us to gain a foothold.
Still doesn't solve the problem of Fred's attacker. Hmm, wonder if any of the hunks from LPSG lurk on this site. There were quite a few in his neck of the California woods. Brewster, Irishguy, you around anywhere?

 

[andrewinorlando]

hmmmm, and people wonder why there is discrimination and prejudice against certain minority groups....they bring it on themselves through word and deed. And I don't feel one bit sorry for them. Adapt, or go back from the shithole from which you came. Pretty simple.

Fred, don't hesitate to beat the crap outta him if he attacks you.

 

[stevet]

Here's a suggestion...

Fred, All the advice that everyone has given has its merits. You will have to be the judge as how to best apply it. I like the Self Defense training advice the best. Nothing surprises an opponent like running into someone who knows the martial arts. I was totally amazed when one of my best friends showed me some moves. It gave me a whole new prospective on what they can do to the uneducated opponent! Made me see all that UFC stuff in a whole new light. You don't have to be built like Brock Lesnar to get your point across.

But here's another thought!

I have personally met Andrew in Orlando..and please forgive me, Andrew, but Fred, I would suggest you have him come and visit you and show up at school with him one day. He is one imposing figure both in size and intelligence. He would definitely make an impression on the bully and your friends.
Hope you resolve the crisis in a safe and sane manner.
Steve

 

[fredfred9633]

i might just take the "George Washington" method

punch and run away, punch and run away
this was very affectinve with the british
he would just get tired of chasing me

 

[davy1063]

what started this fight?

 

[perc-o-prince]

"fredfred,"

I deal directly with students, parents, and school personnel every day. No matter what other advice you hear or read, you need to go to a guidance counselor, advisor, vice-principal, or whomever is in charge of the anti-bullying initiative in your school. Schools take bullying very seriously now, and you need to have it documented that you're being bullied, even if it's 'just' verbal so far.

If your school doesn't have an anti-bullying initiative, first, shame on them. Second, go to someone in an administrative position and report the threats.

You need to do this ASAP, before anything physical ensues.

Good luck,
Chuck

 

[a440]

Well.....

If your profile is correct, and you are really 14 years of age.
Talk this over with your parents. See what they can do to help you.
If your parents can't help with advice, talk to a guidance councilperson at school and see if they can help.
If they can't help...seek a social worker.
I find it concerning that a person of the age of 14 is seeking advice from Adults on the internet. You need more of a home type foundation at your age to help you deal with crises in your life at your age.
Brent

 

[sudsman]

I think you should be praised!

For trying to handle your own problems. Every one does not have parents they can "run too" guidance persons at schools are in this day and time are so out of touch with what is really going on and most of the time only try to cover thier ass. Social Workers take days to see if you can get one at all. And then they will most likely tell you to bring your parents.. You ARE doing the right thing by trying to solve your own problems. Heres to you !!!!

 

[panthera]

Brent,

I do believe that 'fredfred' was vetted and found to be a genuine person of the age he claims. Mayhap I am wrong here, but so I remember it.
Times have changed enormously since our youth, it is not at all unusual for people to be active at ages our culture considers far too old or young. Think about it for a moment - I've been using one form or the other of bulletin board or electronic based communications since the 1970's. I teach people less than half my age how to communicate effectively in an all-virtual world.
Yet the stereotype in our culture is still that a man my age should be, if at all, using the seek-and-ye-shall-find method to write 'thank you for the pics (I guess, grampaw couldn't get them to open)' on an ancient MAC because anything else is beyond my limited skills...
At the opposite extreme, I fear a large number of the 'adults' posing online are, indeed children...the parents of whom I should dearly like to sit down and scream at: Do you know with what dangerous criminals your 11 year daughter is pen-palling???
As long as fred sticks strictly to business, I don't see why he shouldn't ask our opinions. No, they don't replace the far better situation in which his parents counseled and advised him.
Things in school aren't what they were in our youth. Discipline and reforming of aggressive bullies has given way to punishing the victims and politically-correct 'understanding' for the thugs. Fred needs to have adults take notice of his situation before things explode. Remember, everyone in the US is in some sort of 'protected class' except gays.

 

[sudsman]

Keven

RIGHT ON!!! TELL IS LIKE IT IS !!!

 

[perc-o-prince]

"guidance persons at schools are in this day and time are so out of touch with what is really going on and most of the time only try to cover thier ass. Social Workers take days to see if you can get one at all. And then they will most likely tell you to bring your parents.. You ARE doing the right thing by trying to solve your own problems"

Versus:

"RIGHT ON!!! TELL IS LIKE IT IS !!!" referring to "Fred needs to have adults take notice of his situation before things explode"

I'm confused, Lee. Are you saying he should or shouldn't enlist assistance from adults on this?? You've said both.

I agree with Keven that the world isn't the same now as it was when a lot of us were in similar situations. It's a lot different now, and these things need t be dealt with appropriately. I'm NOT in favor of parents and other adult getting involved where they don't belong, but there are times when it's necessary nowadays!

(IMHO) Chuck