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Fred, All the advice that everyone has given has its merits. You will have to be the judge as how to best apply it. I like the Self Defense training advice the best. Nothing surprises an opponent like running into someone who knows the martial arts. I was totally amazed when one of my best friends showed me some moves. It gave me a whole new prospective on what they can do to the uneducated opponent! Made me see all that UFC stuff in a whole new light. You don't have to be built like Brock Lesnar to get your point across.

But here's another thought!

I have personally met Andrew in Orlando..and please forgive me, Andrew, but Fred, I would suggest you have him come and visit you and show up at school with him one day. He is one imposing figure both in size and intelligence. He would definitely make an impression on the bully and your friends.
Hope you resolve the crisis in a safe and sane manner.
Steve
 
i might just take the "George Washington" method

punch and run away, punch and run away
this was very affectinve with the british
he would just get tired of chasing me
 
"fredfred,"

I deal directly with students, parents, and school personnel every day. No matter what other advice you hear or read, you need to go to a guidance counselor, advisor, vice-principal, or whomever is in charge of the anti-bullying initiative in your school. Schools take bullying very seriously now, and you need to have it documented that you're being bullied, even if it's 'just' verbal so far.

If your school doesn't have an anti-bullying initiative, first, shame on them. Second, go to someone in an administrative position and report the threats.

You need to do this ASAP, before anything physical ensues.

Good luck,
Chuck
 
Well.....

If your profile is correct, and you are really 14 years of age.
Talk this over with your parents. See what they can do to help you.
If your parents can't help with advice, talk to a guidance councilperson at school and see if they can help.
If they can't help...seek a social worker.
I find it concerning that a person of the age of 14 is seeking advice from Adults on the internet. You need more of a home type foundation at your age to help you deal with crises in your life at your age.
Brent
 
I think you should be praised!

For trying to handle your own problems. Every one does not have parents they can "run too" guidance persons at schools are in this day and time are so out of touch with what is really going on and most of the time only try to cover thier ass. Social Workers take days to see if you can get one at all. And then they will most likely tell you to bring your parents.. You ARE doing the right thing by trying to solve your own problems. Heres to you !!!!
 
Brent,

I do believe that 'fredfred' was vetted and found to be a genuine person of the age he claims. Mayhap I am wrong here, but so I remember it.
Times have changed enormously since our youth, it is not at all unusual for people to be active at ages our culture considers far too old or young. Think about it for a moment - I've been using one form or the other of bulletin board or electronic based communications since the 1970's. I teach people less than half my age how to communicate effectively in an all-virtual world.
Yet the stereotype in our culture is still that a man my age should be, if at all, using the seek-and-ye-shall-find method to write 'thank you for the pics (I guess, grampaw couldn't get them to open)' on an ancient MAC because anything else is beyond my limited skills...
At the opposite extreme, I fear a large number of the 'adults' posing online are, indeed children...the parents of whom I should dearly like to sit down and scream at: Do you know with what dangerous criminals your 11 year daughter is pen-palling???
As long as fred sticks strictly to business, I don't see why he shouldn't ask our opinions. No, they don't replace the far better situation in which his parents counseled and advised him.
Things in school aren't what they were in our youth. Discipline and reforming of aggressive bullies has given way to punishing the victims and politically-correct 'understanding' for the thugs. Fred needs to have adults take notice of his situation before things explode. Remember, everyone in the US is in some sort of 'protected class' except gays.
 
"guidance persons at schools are in this day and time are so out of touch with what is really going on and most of the time only try to cover thier ass. Social Workers take days to see if you can get one at all. And then they will most likely tell you to bring your parents.. You ARE doing the right thing by trying to solve your own problems"

Versus:

"RIGHT ON!!! TELL IS LIKE IT IS !!!" referring to "Fred needs to have adults take notice of his situation before things explode"

I'm confused, Lee. Are you saying he should or shouldn't enlist assistance from adults on this?? You've said both.

I agree with Keven that the world isn't the same now as it was when a lot of us were in similar situations. It's a lot different now, and these things need t be dealt with appropriately. I'm NOT in favor of parents and other adult getting involved where they don't belong, but there are times when it's necessary nowadays!

(IMHO) Chuck
 
Great advice....
What hero here is going to go with him and help with this. Let alone have the legal right to do so.
Also, if the situation gets out of hand, and something terrible happens, which one of you, with your different opinions is going to step up to the plate, and say; "he did what I said"?
The kid needs a professional to help him. He said he fells threatened, and scared. The war stories here, and advice, unless it is pointed to a professional, won't help.
If you are so concerned about Fred...As an adult, ask for his parents phone number, and call them to discuss this situation with them, and point them in the direction of your advice.
Let us know how that phone call goes, when you do it.
Brent
 
I know how it feels.......

Dear Dear Fred Fred,

I was in your same situation. Theres a lot of good advice here and I like the idea of pulverizing the little maggot the best hahah. What these guys havent seem to have tapped into is where all this takes you emotionally.

My little terroist was dealt with by my doing my best to ignore him. Started in the 7th grade and lasted until he was sent to reform school in the 11th grade. Got really hard in the 9th grade coz his sister and I became quite close friends...Go figure

Tried to talk to counslors...well, be sure not to antagonize him they said.Really, do they really get paid for this?

Tried taliing to my parents DONT YOU EVEN THINK YOURE QUITTING SCHOOL...........as if I even was (tho running away from home frequently crossed my mind)(LOL)

I have no real advice for you except to try and avoid it if you can. BUT IF you do get into a frackus know that spiritually I am with you and I hope you muster up any and all little infractions that have ever been put onto you or any of us who have been terrorized by a school bully and cram it all down his freaking throat.Then like Ralphie in a christmas Story you jump his ass and dont let up until someone drags you off of him.Then wiith all the dignity you can then muster (and youll have all yours back by then and then some) I hope you tell him in a meek worried voice "Oh God Im Sorry, I didnt mean it...." followed by a deep sacastic voice more for everyone else to hear"But Im just in a f**king Pissy mood today"

Im serious when I say im there for you. Obviously I cant be there for you in reality but by reading this (and all of these) you know we are your power if you have to to face off.And one thing you have he dosent have, is we will still be here win or lose when its all over.

Whatever became of my bully? Hes in prison last I heard.Got out, broke probation got back in again....lol...

you know he really was small, I dont know why I was so afraid of him. I never knew of his sexuality but I suspect he was prolly straight . With his compact size tho hes prolly in the service industry in there waaaaaaaaaaayyyy on the bright side of the pink whether he likes it or not.
Can you say yessir Mr Bubba?!!

If nothing else I hope I have made you laugh some.but seriously My reguards buddy.I hope it works out and you come through it ok reguardless of how it all comes down.

please know if he beats you up, you will heal.If you beat him up he might just learn something.

If he gets to your soul that will heal too just coz all of us here apprecaite what your going through and like I said we will be here still standing behind you when its over.
take care my friend.

Man this mellenium, why havent we got astro projection down yet?Id love to go take down FredFreds lil menace myself. And time travel back and help my little terrorist see some light..in the form of stars.
 
Brent,

I do admit asking two professional martial arts instructors to kick a school kid's ass was not meant quite seriously.
The rest of my advice was, tho:
Talk to your parents if you can.
Talk to somebody in authority in the school to establish there is a problem.
Talk to the cops.
If he does attack you, defend yourself.
Now, if fred genuinely feels a call from me to his school advisers or parents will make the bully go away, I'll be more than happy to do so.
I can hear the conversation now:
(ring, ring)
*fred's school psychologist picks up the phone*
'Hello?, Mr. TouchyFeely here, how may I stroke you?
*I speak*
'Good afternoon, Mr. TouchyFeely. This is Professor Dr. von XXX, calling you from Germany. I am deeply concerned about threats made upon the person of one of your charges'
////
or, perhaps, I should ring his parents, directly?
////
(ring, ring)
*fredfred's mum answers the phone)
'Hello?'
*I speak*
'Good afternoon, Madam. I have not had the pleasure of your personal acquaintance, permit me to introduce myself. I am a virtual friend of your son, we met through a gay website for antique appliance nuts. You may address me simply as 'Con' as I doubt you could pronounce my names and title correctly...
///
Right, Brent, I so see that happening...not.

So, apart from telling him to go through the chain of command, realistically telling him that bullies have to be stood up to and making clear to him that, in the real world of America in 2008, the odds are better than 50/50 he will get in trouble, not his attacker...what else should we do? You're very good at bitchy, why don't you fly on down and wave your magic wand? Ruby Slippers being resoled, perhaps?
 
Keven,
You imagination is strange.
Sdlee, great sharing! Great human touch, and thanks for sharing a terrible thing that happened to you.
There are people out there in this world that can still be trusted to help a child. I have not lost faith.
The law is that a child being 2 years old in this situation, until 18, or even 21 in some states, is still a minor.
My point Keven is not a Bitchy one. If you are so concerned about a child that is a dangerous situation, then try first with his parents, then if that does not work, get in touch with the school, and on to the next if you can't get anywhere with the situation. I always see a red flag when anyone tries to help a minor, and get this "bonding" started, without letting his parents or other authorities help the situation first.
It is all so simple. People defend otherwise, for some strange motive, when a minor is concerned.
Brent
 
Brent,

I quote from your post, Post# 310298-10/19/2008-19:31
"The law is that a child being 2 years old in this situation, until 18, or even 21 in some states, is still a minor.
My point Keven is not a Bitchy one. If you are so concerned about a child that is a dangerous situation, then try first with his parents, then if that does not work, get in touch with the school, and on to the next if you can't get anywhere with the situation. I always see a red flag when anyone tries to help a minor, and get this "bonding" started, without letting his parents or other authorities help the situation first.
It is all so simple. People defend otherwise, for some strange motive, when a minor is concerned."

If you mean that I and the other concerned adults here are actually pedophiles, than come right out and say it. If not, then you need to express your thoughts more clearly.
If you read my advice to fredfred again, you will notice that I strongly urge him to talk to people who are directly responsible for resolving such situations. School counselors, homeroom teachers, the police. As have most of the people here. As far as I know, that is what one does with 'children' who ask non-parents for help. Sorry, I believe you used the term 'minor'. In my culture, fred is still a child, so your imputations weigh even more grievously.
For those of us here who are teachers or otherwise work with children, this is an insult of the worst kind.
Were you able to parse a question, you would have noticed I also inquired into his not discussing the matter with his parents.
Not one single comment posted here by any of us has, in even the remotest form, suggested such 'bonding' or base motives as you are implying.
Again, either state your position clearly (if you are able so to do) or apologize for your baseless attacks upon those of us who took the time to answer a genuine question.
 
Keven, you are putting words into my mouth....

And reading into anything, but what I am stating!
When a group of adults do not encourage a child to seek a council who is educated in these areas, your are encouraging them to continue on the path for help that they are going on.
This is not only with Fred. This is with any child.
This is not the only website in the world for a child to chat about problems.
It opens up a can of worms in so many ways.
Keven, I neither owe your paranoid, defensive mind any apology for anything, nor anyone else who has taken offense for my educated encouragement.
There...I think this states my position clearly.
Thanks for the opportunity Deven.
Brent
 
Brent,

Again, I quote:
When a group of adults do not encourage a child to seek a council who is educated in these areas, your are encouraging them to continue on the path for help that they are going on.

What part of my Post# 309816-10/17/2008-07:19, implied otherwise? Here, the relevant text:
Fred, I suggest you do the following:
1) Establish a paper trail. Go to the counselor, advisor, principle or home room teacher responsible for you and make sure they take note of this threat. Make very clear that you don't want a fight and are afraid of him. Do not say you will defend yourself if attacked. If the worst happens and you end up decking the bastard, you'll need that record in court.
2)Do your best to avoid him, but if the jerk does attack you, don't pull your punches. Anytime somebody physically attacks someone, they deserve exactly whatever level of self-defense their putative victim chooses. Hit him in the solar-plexus. Hard. Never, ever fight fair. Take a look at some of the advice on defending yourself on YouTube or WikiHow. Some is over the top, some practical. But at least you will get an idea.
3) Start, now, taking a course in self-defense. Many peaceful people confuse the martial arts with violence. Bullshit. There are jerks out there, learning to protect yourself is not violence, it is deterrence.
4) Check the laws on pepper-spray, etc. Almost certainly forbidden to you in your school, but if the cops say you can protect yourself that way without getting expelled, go for it.
5)No idea whether you're gay, nor does it matter. If there is a center for gays and lesbians in your county (bound to be at your university), try talking to someone there. After Matthew Sheppard, a lot of us said, never again.
I have gathered the impression over the last months that you can't exactly talk to your folks about these things? Keep trying.
(end quote)

Brent, you are either incapable of comprehending simple English or have chosen this topic as a stand-in for another problem.

Re-read (or, have read to you) this thread again. Perhaps then, you will better understand why I find your postings so deeply offensive.
 
*Ring*Ring*
"Hello?"
"Hello, Mrs. Fredfred? You don't know me, but I'm on the same internet site that your son posts on..."
"Who are you? What website?"
"The washer collectors site..."
"WHAT!!! Fredfred, get down here! I TOLD you to stay away from the washer! What are you doing on the internet? Now you got to look at washing machines on the internet? The internet is for your schoolwork! And you are talking to strangers and THEY ARE CALLING HERE? GET UP TO YOUR ROOM! I'M CANCELLING COMCAST TOMORROW! I CAN'T BELIEVE..."
*click*
 
If only the rest of the right wing had your sense of humor..

Peter, after the election, when your capital has been seized and you, alone, are expected to shoulder the tax debt of this great country, I'll come do stand up comedy with you on the street corners. I'll be your fall guy.
Gawd strewth, I can just see fredfred's mom sitting down with a cup of tea to recover from my phone call when your's comes in. By the time the school calls, that cup of tea is not going to be quite what she'll need...
How are you coming with the whole mess, fred? Any luck talking to your parents or school authorities?
 
You guys are too funny!
I am starting to wonder if Fred is a real person.....
Brent
 
This is STILL in deliberation???

Just go ahead and beat this lil dude up already! And if you can't handle it let us know. I'll send a couple of the boyz over to show you how it's done. <:

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real? as in, those who live in glass houses...real...

Oh, I don't know - he has a sense of humor and he doesn't smell like old socks...

Which is two things more than can be said of some.

Brent, to put it bluntly, who cares whether fredfred is a bored fratboy sitting in his dorm room having himself a good laugh...or not. He can, at least, write coherently, his postings are never vicious and he's either stated or put a lot more effort into creating a 'virtual' reality, complete with age, than some 'real people' I might mention.
 
Keven,
You are the perfect example of a "Bitter Old Queen".
Your comments here, and anywhere on this site are so dismal.
You always, love to show your anger, it comes out in all of your post, no matter what you comment on. Even your humor is angry. You are a "know it all" in your own mind. You don't have me fooled, or intimated by your nasty comments, and just like "fred's" bully in his life, your "angry old woman" comments only make me laugh. I shudder to think how you are in real life.
Keep that anger flowing Bertha!
Brent
 

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