Unilever plans more cuts as sales rise

Automatic Washer - The world's coolest Washing Machines, Dryers and Dishwashers

Help Support :

I've been using

Wisk lately, and I really am liking it. Been using the regular, and the HE, and the 3x version. All of them clean very well.

I hope that when the dust settles that whomever makes them won't fluck up the formula too badly.

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
"Seems to me that Huish is making their detergents for C-P."

Huish's products seem to be of a much higher quality than those from Manhattan Products, who manufacture the new "Dash" liquid as well as the "Everyday Elegance" liquids for WalMart.

If I'm not mistaken, Huish supplies products under the Sears and Kirkland labels as well.
 
"Do those of you who use liquid HE detergents feel that Wisk is as good as Tide or Cheer?"

I've found Gain HE to be the best, followed closely by Wisk, Tide, and Cheer HE liquids, but they perform almost exactly the same (in my soft water), so I'd say the best thing is to pick according to price and personal preference.

Cheer HE liquid seems way less harsh on colors.

Gain and Wisk HE seem to be the best stain removers.

The Tide HE liquid is way sudsier than all the others, even Gain HE, which comes from the same company.

All HE can seem irresistable when it is steeply discounted, but I've found it's pretty much useless on muddy-from-the-garden-type stains and isn't very effective on tomato sauce splatters (I'm a sloppy cook), so I've given up on the present formulation.

For lightly-soiled loads that need more of a freshening than a scouring, I've been using the plain All powder from Walgreens, which is almost as good (but not quite) as Tide powder but is less harsh on fabrics and dyes.

The real shocker was the Arm & Hammer powdered products, which work just as well as the Tide powders, yet cost way less and are low-sudsing. They are harsh on colors, though.
 
I much prefer Wisk HE to liquid Tide HE. In my experiences Tide has proven to be an incessant little sudser, and its scent does not seem to diminish much after drying. Wisk, however, produces little to no suds and leaves behind a sweet clean smell that doesn't overpower.

Also, like Scott noted, it seems like Wisk HE usually has the price advantage as well.
 
Unilever Canada

Maybe Unliver Canada can take over the United States as a part of their territory. The Canadian laundry line-up is very well respected. The products work well and smell great (lemon scent)!

The US Unilever Laundry products have been going through a transition of having no identity. All doesn't stand for anything and Wisk dropped its famous, albeit annoying, commercial about ring around the collar. All should have been taking their free and clear product to the bank and even transitioned to become an organic product. Wisk should have never dropped their powdered detergent because lets face it - not everyone likes liquids and as someone else stated.... Tide needs competition.

The only thing All and Wisk have had as an advantage is the 3X formula which makes some people feel happy.
 
Thank all of you for your answers on the detergents. I had no idea that liquid HE Wisk was so good. I agree that liquid HE Tide is too sudsy and it sure smells bad. I have a one dollar off coupon for ALL 3X detergent and was wondering if I should buy some or if it is just a waste of money. Has anyone tried to clean heavily soiled fabrics with Arm & Hammer HE liquid? It has a pleasant fragrance, but I do not know how effective it is. I believe it contains no enzymes. I find that liquids can not be depended upon to stay HE in a wash heated above 140 so I keep my favorite powder HE Tide for that.

I bought some Purex powder on a 2 for 1 sale at Wrong Aid. It has something for odor removal. Things smell nice after washing. Boosted with STPP and borax, it seems to clean my sheets very well. It is only for use in the top loaders. Tom
 
"Wrong-Aid"-------

Tom is killin' me again.

Tom, I think Georgedon tried some of that 3X All farkuckt, and it turned out to be VERY high sudsing----All, high sudsing?-----who knew?

I recently converted someone from Arm & Hammer Liquid to Viva powder, because her laundry was not getting clean. One load did it and she has now "seen the light"!
 
Yeah, but Geodon has a solid tub SQ and a Westy FL. Both are really splashy machines and can whoop up a good amount of suds regardless what detergent is used. True, the ALL 3x does get a good head of suds going in my Miele "to-hee", but they do rinse out well.

Those Chinese surfactants aren't sudsy; the lead keeps the suds making down...
 
Well, I guess that the "trouble" is that companies like to cheat the customers. It's not that they don't know what to make, when one gets some laundry detergents from Europe, made by the same companies, they work extremely well here. It's that they want to cut costs. Well, there you are. Instead of manufacturing the best stuff they can, we in US get the second, third or forth best.

Case in point: I know an awful lot of people who don't own their own laundry equipment and they used to *love* the tablets because they could carry just a few pouches to the laundromat, but the tablets disappeared anyway. Why? "Because they don't dissolve" is the usual answer. Well, yes, *originally* the tablets were made in Europe to be put inside a "dispersal net" inside the washer basket, not in the dispenser. Not too long after, they came out with the version you could put in the dispenser. *After* that, we got the tablets in US, and you had to crush them if you wanted to use them in the dispenser. The only one that dissolved fast enough in the dispenser was the Purex Tablets. How much do we want to bet that we got the formulas that needed the dispersal nets (which they never had here) when they could have had the improved version here from the start given what they already knew?

Liquids only seem "convenient" if you pretreat all the stains. But we seem to be heading towards liquid-only detergents in US. You know what is *really* convenient for me? It's to just put the clothes in the washer, put the detergent on the dispenser, select a cycle and let the *machine* do the work. That's what I can do with really good detergent, and it's what doesn't work with a lot of the detergents here, particularly the liquids.

Unilever used to sell very good formulas of Wisk, the tablets and the powder, despite not saying they were HE, were very low sudsing and cleaned stains really well. The liquid version is still ages behind and even the HE liquid version is still sudsier than the powder was.

Why are they running after a stupid strategy from P&G of having multiple scents and multiple formulas? Are they really saying that they can’t have *one* version of Wisk that cleans all the stains like the powder did and we need to run different cycles with different formulas of Wisk to remove all stains? How many scents do we need? I'd think that one unscented and one or two scents would be plenty.

Also, I knew a lot of people who were in love with a version of Snuggle (Pure & Gentle) that, while not completely unscented, was mild enough that most people, even the ones allergic to perfumes, could tolerate it. What do you know, they discontinued it. Then they release a bunch of new scents and nothing unscented. So, people who really liked how much softer the laundry was with Snuggle but didn't care for the strong scents, ended up buying Downy instead.

So, how much cheaper is it in the end to lose market share to save a few cents per package? I think they shot themselves in the foot. Also, one has to be extremely careful when one tries to copy the strategy of one’s competitor, and also when one listens to focus groups. When you call people to participate in focus groups, all they keep saying is what they think will make them look smart and/or what they think you want to hear anyway. Like, for example, no one asks the focus groups “would you like to have clean laundry that doesn’t have any perfume/scents on it?” or even “would you prefer laundry that *is* clean or laundry that is strongly scented so people know you cycled it thru the washer even if it looks dirty?” -- that’s the kind of thing we’d like to see answered. So, of course, when they ask “do you like these new scents” they get “yes” for an answer; when they say “which one of these scents do you prefer”, they get an answer -- which, more often than not, like in fashion, is the new stuff, because the focus group is bored with the old stuff. Then customers complain they liked the old scent better, so we have now at least two scents on the shelf. Can’t they say, sell an unscented version and then twelve small bottles of scents for one to put a drop or two or three in the washer as one pleases?

I think they are losing clients because they don’t have formulas that actually work any better than the competitor’s because they are trying to save money. Then they have to compete on silly stuff like how many scents they have on the supermarket shelves. Might as well compete on actual performance and regain the market share.

Also, what is so wrong with being number two when there are plenty of companies that would be darn happy to be number two, three or four? To me it smells like greed. Which brings me to the silly names the scents/perfumes have now, “Spring and Renewal” etc. What’s wrong with “Daisy”, “Rose”, “Violet”, “Water Lilly and Jasmine” etc, so you *know* what it’s supposed to smell like without having to open the package and take a whiff? Maybe they could rename the laundry detergents with scents that would make people want to buy them like “Rich”, “Stinky Rich”, “Rolling in Dough” etc. Then we could poke fun at detergents by saying that “Greed” doesn’t smell nearly as good as “Stinky Rich”. ;-)
 
Another Wisk detergent

Happened to be at the Grocery last evening. Noticed that in addition to the 3X Wisk formula, now there is a new 2X offering in several versions. I.E. High Efficiency, w/Bleach etc. The 64 load bottle was marked $9.99, the same as the 64 load 3X product.
 
Tablets and Wisk/Liquids

I never tried tablets. As a kid I remember a friend telling me his mom stopped using Salvo because the tablets made holes in the clothes. Since Salvo is ancient history, wouldn't it follow that trying tablets again would be a losing proposition for P&G or Lever Bros?

I used to like the scent of original Wisk. If I see Wisk HE on sale, I'm going to buy some. I don't like the scent of Tide HE but my partner insists that Tide is the only thing to use. He didn't feel this way when we had a top loader so I don't know how he got to be such a staunch Tide fan. Days after doing laundry I can stick my head into the tub of my Duet and still smell Tide. That stuff overwhelmed the new washer smell right away.

Even with a top loader I've been using liquids for years. Part of the reason is that powders come in a box and the area around my laundry pair and sink can sometimes get wet. Then I end up with a solid block of detergent at the bottom of the box. Liquid in a plastic bottle solved that problem.

I may get a plastic container of "Fresh Start" or other type of powder so I can use the soak & wash cycle on my Duet, but otherwise liquid will continue to be my daily driver.

I agree that Lever's marketing has been non-existent and it also seems that when there are sales, it's always P&G products. I work for a near-monopoly and yet my company saturates the airwaves on a daily basis. Lever hasn't made much of an attempt to market or promote its laundry products in a very long time. Selling them off may be the best thing that could happen for the consumer in this case.
 
I agree that Unilever should just rethink their strategy. In the long run people who do laundry just want clean clothes. Most of us on here are the ones who are opposed to having 15 varieties of one product brand; myself because they don't have my preferred scent of Lemon, others because all these new varieties smell like crap. Most companies today try to be too much (you know, everything to everyone) and in the process lose sight of their goal - which should be to produce a superior product while still making money.

The times we live in today are crazy - we've lost so much individuality that its scary. hopefully, someone will come up with a way to salvage brands like ALL, WISK and SNUGGLE. Just bring back classic clean scents and leave the exotic stuff to someone else because there are plenty of people out there who do not want to smell like febreeze or paperwhite-peppermint-mango-green apple fusion.!
 
Back
Top