rll70sman
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What a superb machine! Congratulations and thanks for the pictures! I'm also looking for a vintage Kenmore or Whirlpool to fit the only space I have for another washer. Wow! Something like this would be great!
Updated photos on the 1963-64 Kenmore 600
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Wow Randy, that machine is just beautiful!!! Congratulations it cleaned up beautifully.
That machine is right out of my childhood, I remember seeing so many machines of that era in the late 60s and into 70s.
That machine is right out of my childhood, I remember seeing so many machines of that era in the late 60s and into 70s.
Beautiful, just beautiful Kenmore! Happy to see it was saved -
Ben
Ben
mickeyd
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Pic # 4 Waterfall filter - missing the latch--LOVE IT
What a nice close-up, the powder blue under the waterfall, with the red then beige towels and the striking black powerful 3-vane. Wonderful.
What a nice close-up, the powder blue under the waterfall, with the red then beige towels and the striking black powerful 3-vane. Wonderful.
sears9000
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I'm looking forward to seeing the video of this classic.
My aunt had this machine, along with the matching gas dryer when I was real young. I liked this machine better than the 68 800 model my parents had. I liked the waterfall lint filter, the agitator with that small cap, the speckled tub, and the sound it made. The appearance was also beautiful.
Now I have a question for Gordon, and all the Kenmore experts here, and I hope this isn't a stupid question, but I remember that the pitch of the woo woo sound that my folk's 800 model was a bit higher than the 600 model my aunt's machine. It had the traditional low pitch sound that I like better. Don't get me wrong, I like that belt drive sound regardless of the pitch. Now, if the transmission, motor and rpm, pump, belt, and the spin drive were the same in all of these machines, why would the pitch be diffrent in some of them ?
I would appreciate you taking the time to answer this for me.
Thank You, and have a nice day.
Jim.
My aunt had this machine, along with the matching gas dryer when I was real young. I liked this machine better than the 68 800 model my parents had. I liked the waterfall lint filter, the agitator with that small cap, the speckled tub, and the sound it made. The appearance was also beautiful.
Now I have a question for Gordon, and all the Kenmore experts here, and I hope this isn't a stupid question, but I remember that the pitch of the woo woo sound that my folk's 800 model was a bit higher than the 600 model my aunt's machine. It had the traditional low pitch sound that I like better. Don't get me wrong, I like that belt drive sound regardless of the pitch. Now, if the transmission, motor and rpm, pump, belt, and the spin drive were the same in all of these machines, why would the pitch be diffrent in some of them ?
I would appreciate you taking the time to answer this for me.
Thank You, and have a nice day.
Jim.
rll70sman
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Gordon, I have the same question as Jim. I thought I read one time that the pitch of the "woo-woo" is largely dependent on the size of the belts and pulleys as well as the washer cabinet. Grandma's 24-inch Kenmore space saver machine was noticely higher pitched than the wider 29-inch models that other people we knew had.
Dirt can't hide from the Smackulators on that agitator!
Congrats on a keeper - it's beautiful!
Congrats on a keeper - it's beautiful!
Jim and Rob -
It's hard to say that one item makes the woo-woo sounds exactly, it's probably a combination of things.
Motors have something to do with it. There have been GE, Delco, and Emerson motors in BD washers over the years. I always thought the later GE motors that were square (unserviceable) made a higher pitch just in operating than the Emersons.
Most of the 24-inch and 29-inch standard cap machines had split-phase motors (which were often GE), whereas the large cap machines had capacitor start motors which were usually Emerson - at least speaking to later production. The split-phase motors start a little bit more slowly, and they give off some more pleasing sounds during start up than the capacitor start motors which spring to life instantly.
The belt itself is the biggest contributor to the woo-ing, and the worn state of the belt can slow it down as it seats further into the pulleys with wear. I believe that with wear, the machine's pitch changes. However, I have four belt-drives here, some with original belts and some not, that emit four distinctly different woo-woos and they are essentially the same mechanically.
Since we know that the 'quiet-pak' machines can be largely almost silent, things like pumps and transmissions don't contribute much to the sounds. The basket drive pulley can make a lot of unpleasant noise, and the pump does make some suctions sounds when operating, especially in drain.
Mostly it's the belt itself and this can vary from one belt to the next. Belts were revised over the years. Randy's machine has a 95405 belt, which is the current number for the big non-quiet belt and was revised to be more flexible and less prone to breakage than the earlier belts. I am sure that a change in materials altered the belt sounds a little bit. The 95405 belt has been standard equipment since the mid 60s, though I don't know when exactly that it replaced the previous version.
As to 24-inch machines, I have always figured that cabinet geometry contributed to the higher pitch on them, and I have noticed this myself.
Sorry for a non-definitive answer!
Gordon
It's hard to say that one item makes the woo-woo sounds exactly, it's probably a combination of things.
Motors have something to do with it. There have been GE, Delco, and Emerson motors in BD washers over the years. I always thought the later GE motors that were square (unserviceable) made a higher pitch just in operating than the Emersons.
Most of the 24-inch and 29-inch standard cap machines had split-phase motors (which were often GE), whereas the large cap machines had capacitor start motors which were usually Emerson - at least speaking to later production. The split-phase motors start a little bit more slowly, and they give off some more pleasing sounds during start up than the capacitor start motors which spring to life instantly.
The belt itself is the biggest contributor to the woo-ing, and the worn state of the belt can slow it down as it seats further into the pulleys with wear. I believe that with wear, the machine's pitch changes. However, I have four belt-drives here, some with original belts and some not, that emit four distinctly different woo-woos and they are essentially the same mechanically.
Since we know that the 'quiet-pak' machines can be largely almost silent, things like pumps and transmissions don't contribute much to the sounds. The basket drive pulley can make a lot of unpleasant noise, and the pump does make some suctions sounds when operating, especially in drain.
Mostly it's the belt itself and this can vary from one belt to the next. Belts were revised over the years. Randy's machine has a 95405 belt, which is the current number for the big non-quiet belt and was revised to be more flexible and less prone to breakage than the earlier belts. I am sure that a change in materials altered the belt sounds a little bit. The 95405 belt has been standard equipment since the mid 60s, though I don't know when exactly that it replaced the previous version.
As to 24-inch machines, I have always figured that cabinet geometry contributed to the higher pitch on them, and I have noticed this myself.
Sorry for a non-definitive answer!
Gordon
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Gordon......
How am I going to get that old belt off and a new one on? I looked a the WP service manual that Robert told me about on the site here but still don't quite comprehend geting it from around everything and then the new one back around everything. Looks as though it could be a PIA situation.
Thoughs, suggestions, comments, snide remarks and such.... lol!
How am I going to get that old belt off and a new one on? I looked a the WP service manual that Robert told me about on the site here but still don't quite comprehend geting it from around everything and then the new one back around everything. Looks as though it could be a PIA situation.
Thoughs, suggestions, comments, snide remarks and such.... lol!
70series
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Belt sounds:
I just shrugged the difference in pitch off as being part of a washer's "personality". I have seen where two of the very same model had different pitches. My aunt and my friend both had 1970 model 500 Kenmores. They were both exactly the same, but the woo pitch on my friends washer was a little higher in pitch than my aunt's.
Age definitely can be a factor. The woo on my aunt's 500 changed noticeably in pitch as it got older. Originally it had a woo pitch that was about the same as the white 1968 Kenmore 700 washer featured in one of Andy's (RedCarpetDrew) videos. In it's last few years of operation the woo became higher pitched, having the same pitch as the late 60s Whirlpool featured in another one of Andy's videos. (BTW, thanks for the great videos Andy.) The washer always had it's original parts, and there were no changes in its function as it performed well up until it died.
Have a good one,
James
I just shrugged the difference in pitch off as being part of a washer's "personality". I have seen where two of the very same model had different pitches. My aunt and my friend both had 1970 model 500 Kenmores. They were both exactly the same, but the woo pitch on my friends washer was a little higher in pitch than my aunt's.
Age definitely can be a factor. The woo on my aunt's 500 changed noticeably in pitch as it got older. Originally it had a woo pitch that was about the same as the white 1968 Kenmore 700 washer featured in one of Andy's (RedCarpetDrew) videos. In it's last few years of operation the woo became higher pitched, having the same pitch as the late 60s Whirlpool featured in another one of Andy's videos. (BTW, thanks for the great videos Andy.) The washer always had it's original parts, and there were no changes in its function as it performed well up until it died.
Have a good one,
James
Randy -
First, does the machine need a new belt? If the cogs are cracking on the inside of the belt, then yeah, you may want to get rid of it. If there is surface rust on the pulleys (looks like there is on the motor pulley and the basket drive) then let the old belt wear that off before you install a new one.
If you buy an FSP belt, the package has instructions on how to change the belt. I can describe how to do it at any time as well. I have helped a couple people on here over the phone and would be glad to do that for you as well.
To me it's not a PIA, but for a first-timer, it can be.
Gordon
First, does the machine need a new belt? If the cogs are cracking on the inside of the belt, then yeah, you may want to get rid of it. If there is surface rust on the pulleys (looks like there is on the motor pulley and the basket drive) then let the old belt wear that off before you install a new one.
If you buy an FSP belt, the package has instructions on how to change the belt. I can describe how to do it at any time as well. I have helped a couple people on here over the phone and would be glad to do that for you as well.
To me it's not a PIA, but for a first-timer, it can be.
Gordon
redcarpetdrew
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To me it's not a PIA
But, Gordon... I thought you only touched Kenmores... LOL!
Oh, YES! Video is a must! I'd love to see that agitator in action!
RCD
But, Gordon... I thought you only touched Kenmores... LOL!
Oh, YES! Video is a must! I'd love to see that agitator in action!
RCD
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Guys - your wish is my command......
Here are some short clips to whet your appetite - I'll be putting together a better lighted and full cycle vid during the next week.
Here are some short clips to whet your appetite - I'll be putting together a better lighted and full cycle vid during the next week.
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There are several short clips....
Click the drop down on the right - "More from randycm1" - well, you all know how it works! This is the first time I've ever used YouTube so still learning the ropes. The longer full length vid is coming!
Click the drop down on the right - "More from randycm1" - well, you all know how it works! This is the first time I've ever used YouTube so still learning the ropes. The longer full length vid is coming!
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Thanks for the great comments guys!
It's already been a fun machine to use and looking forward to more!!
It's already been a fun machine to use and looking forward to more!!
AWESOME Randy, thanks for sharing!
redcarpetdrew
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Nice ma-chine! The spin bearings sound wonderful but that noisy wig wag solenoid is something. Easy to fix, tho...
You'll have fun with YouTube! Just remember that when you put that video together, Y/T allows you to upload vids NO LONGER than 10 mins... I've hit THAT wall a few times... I'm looking forward to the full length video when it comes out!
RCD
You'll have fun with YouTube! Just remember that when you put that video together, Y/T allows you to upload vids NO LONGER than 10 mins... I've hit THAT wall a few times... I'm looking forward to the full length video when it comes out!
RCD
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